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Post by Red Fox on Aug 28, 2017 21:20:32 GMT
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Post by Crimson on Aug 28, 2017 21:48:33 GMT
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Post by Sir Drell on Aug 28, 2017 21:59:42 GMT
Or the series ends with the Night King getting caught and made to do community service by rebuilding the wall, lol.  |
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Aug 29, 2017 3:13:22 GMT
Well kudos to this artist, she nailed it just with that House of the Undying quote from the second book the scene was great and scary, the Night King now has a zombie Charizard and he's enjoying it like a fucking brat in a swimming pool ball seriously though, Tormund and Beric, I hope they are alive I dont care if it's cheap  And I'm not bothered about the incest, even more I approve what two adult and related persons decide to do with their lives as long as they are not Woody Allen lol but the ultimate male hero being royal... gods plz kill me. I dont like Jonerys but I'm not that bothered for that either, but this plot with him being royal... *vomits* Aside of that, YEEEEEEEEEEEEEES MY GIRLS Sansa I fucking love you, I love how she has been learning things from the worst people and I love that thank you for your lessons moment, sweet poetry, Littleshit bleeding out to death I love this song!!!  I'm glad Jaime is running away from that harpy, seriously Cersei you are dumb, it would have been cool for Cersei to be an anti-villain helping against the Army of the Dead but it would have been out of her character I guess. Also, I'm rooting for Brienne and Jaime so hard  Good scene with Tyrion and Cersei, I suppose this is a goodbye scene, I dont think these characters are going to cross words once again... I kinda expect Sam to return to the Citadel to find a way to deal with the Night King because 2 dragons and thousands and thousands of men being potential zombies is not any good. His scene with Bran I lol'd. Oh my Theon, he has been doing the redemption path step by step, first screwing things up, then humiliation and punishment, now getting symbolic forgiveness from Jon, and I expect sacrifice in his future saving Yara. Of course I'm totally biased because I love Yara and I want her to be queen of the Iron Islands lol edit. OH I forgot! Dany riding Rhaegal for first time on-screen, we didnt see this with Viserion sadly  lol 2 years  |
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Post by Joey on Aug 29, 2017 8:42:43 GMT
Is it me, or does political characters became significantly worse? Varys, Tyrion, LF... oh, and Doran was dumped entirely lol. Anyway, this reddit post explains itI admit, I enjoyed older seasons more... I have a feeling that GoT lacks certain deep older seasons has (when GRRM was still on board). D&D simply have no idea how to handle characters like this. Varys, Tyrion and LF were so useless. Cool zombies and omg dragonssss are all that matters now it seems. And now I see more good and bad characters instead of morally grey like we had before. Yes, I love bad characters, but I prefer older seasons, because everything wasn't... that obvious back then? |
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Post by Ark on Aug 29, 2017 8:54:48 GMT
Is it me, or does political characters became significantly worse? Varys, Tyrion, LF... oh, and Doran was dumped entirely lol. Anyway, this reddit post explains itI admit, I enjoyed older seasons more... I have a feeling that GoT lacks certain deep older seasons has (when GRRM was still on board). D&D simply have no idea how to handle characters like this. Varys, Tyrion and LF were so useless. Cool zombies and omg dragonssss are all that matters now it seems. And now I see more good and bad characters instead of morally grey like we had before. Yes, I love bad characters, but I prefer older seasons, because everything wasn't... that obvious back then?It certainly isn't just you. Tyrion has become completely ineffective this season, and I can only assume it's so he doesn't outshine the golden duo of the remaining seasons. I did enjoy Varys' moment of standing up to Dany when she mused about killing him, but that's really all we got from him.
Apparently GRRM still hasn't seen this season, but as of the season 6 finale, he's quoted as saying that there are 20 characters that are dead on the show that will still be alive in the books. So there's certainly going to be a sizeable difference between the show and books. Hopefully seeing this season gives him an extra kick in the ass to get his version of the story out there asap.  |
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Post by Joey on Aug 29, 2017 11:14:35 GMT
Is it me, or does political characters became significantly worse? Varys, Tyrion, LF... oh, and Doran was dumped entirely lol. Anyway, this reddit post explains itI admit, I enjoyed older seasons more... I have a feeling that GoT lacks certain deep older seasons has (when GRRM was still on board). D&D simply have no idea how to handle characters like this. Varys, Tyrion and LF were so useless. Cool zombies and omg dragonssss are all that matters now it seems. And now I see more good and bad characters instead of morally grey like we had before. Yes, I love bad characters, but I prefer older seasons, because everything wasn't... that obvious back then?It certainly isn't just you. Tyrion has become completely ineffective this season, and I can only assume it's so he doesn't outshine the golden duo of the remaining seasons. I did enjoy Varys' moment of standing up to Dany when she mused about killing him, but that's really all we got from him.
Apparently GRRM still hasn't seen this season, but as of the season 6 finale, he's quoted as saying that there are 20 characters that are dead on the show that will still be alive in the books. So there's certainly going to be a sizeable difference between the show and books. Hopefully seeing this season gives him an extra kick in the ass to get his version of the story out there asap. Most characters are so one-dimensonal right now it gives me a headache. And acting, err I hate Dany's smug, eyebrows-raised, "how amusing" look she always has going when talking to anyone that isn't Jon. That certainly isn't Lena Headey's level of acting. When Cersei will die, I will probably stop watching it. no I know, I'll probably watch the whole thing, because I like being saltyAnd I'm sorry for saying this, but I think Dany&Jon are the weakest actors right now and oh god, now they have the thickest plot armor. This whole mess at least made me start reading the books. I know I'm going to have a great time! My fav show characters are still alive there, so yay. I can't wait to meet them. edit: wow, I really like /asoiaf, I'll probably stick there for a little longer. I agree with almost everything those redditors say. About LF:
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Post by Joey on Aug 29, 2017 11:40:21 GMT
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Post by Crimson on Aug 29, 2017 11:48:20 GMT
Still stand by my belief that the first 3 seasons were the best, hope you'll have a fun time reading the books JoeyA Storm of Swords was my favourite.  |
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Post by jjdxb on Aug 29, 2017 15:15:44 GMT
Didn't GRRM say there are only about 5-6 main characters who'll still be alive at the end?
Jon and Dany have the strongest plot armour because they're supposed to survive until at least closer to the end. Ditto Cersei, Jaime, Tyrion, Sansa and Arya.
It's not really their plot armour that irks me, it's the fact that they're from a select few great houses. Targaryen, Stark, Lannister. But GRRM is the one who's clearly set the story up that way, so I can't blame D&D. It really flies in the face of the idea that anybody can die. Houses Tyrell, Baratheon and Martell are extinct, Tully and Arryn are hanging on by a whisker. Meanwhile all the lions are still alive, Daenerys is still around, and most of the Stark children are still around.
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Post by Suaimhneas on Aug 29, 2017 17:56:39 GMT
Didn't GRRM say there are only about 5-6 main characters who'll still be alive at the end? Jon and Dany have the strongest plot armour because they're supposed to survive until at least closer to the end. Ditto Cersei, Jaime, Tyrion, Sansa and Arya. It's not really their plot armour that irks me, it's the fact that they're from a select few great houses. Targaryen, Stark, Lannister. But GRRM is the one who's clearly set the story up that way, so I can't blame D&D. It really flies in the face of the idea that anybody can die. Houses Tyrell, Baratheon and Martell are extinct, Tully and Arryn are hanging on by a whisker. Meanwhile all the lions are still alive, Daenerys is still around, and most of the Stark children are still around. I know in his original outline he identified his key five characters and mentioned that they'll live to the end. 'The five key players are Tyrion Lannister, Daenerys Targaryen, and three of the children of Winterfell, Arya, Bran, and the bastard Jon Snow.'
I dunno how relevant that outline is now considering most of things mentioned in it either didn't happen or happened differently. I'd honestly be very surprised if both Jon and Daenerys are there at the end, although I fully expect at least one of them to survive in the show. About the great houses thing I would definitely blame D&D. House Tyrell is in no danger of being extinct outside of the show. Willas and Garlan are Margaery's other brothers alongside Loras and they're still in the Reach to deal with Euron's eventual Lovecraftian fuckery. Theres Mace Tyrell's sibling's children running around too. Stannis isn't dead either and he'll most likely win the battle at Winterfell without being tempted to burn Shireen because both her and Melisandre aren't with him. Most people seem to firmly believe that he was fucked over so as Jon Snow would have something to do in Season 6. House Martell was done wrong by D&D on every account. Ellaria is fairly anti-child murder though Tyene and Nym most likely aren't (RIP Tommen and Mrycella) and Arianne Martell will probably end up as the younger queen that replaces Cersei when she ends up marrying F!Aegon. |
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Post by jjdxb on Aug 29, 2017 18:13:06 GMT
Didn't GRRM say there are only about 5-6 main characters who'll still be alive at the end? Jon and Dany have the strongest plot armour because they're supposed to survive until at least closer to the end. Ditto Cersei, Jaime, Tyrion, Sansa and Arya. It's not really their plot armour that irks me, it's the fact that they're from a select few great houses. Targaryen, Stark, Lannister. But GRRM is the one who's clearly set the story up that way, so I can't blame D&D. It really flies in the face of the idea that anybody can die. Houses Tyrell, Baratheon and Martell are extinct, Tully and Arryn are hanging on by a whisker. Meanwhile all the lions are still alive, Daenerys is still around, and most of the Stark children are still around. I know in his original outline he identified his key five characters and mentioned that they'll live to the end. 'The five key players are Tyrion Lannister, Daenerys Targaryen, and three of the children of Winterfell, Arya, Bran, and the bastard Jon Snow.'
I dunno how relevant that outline is now considering most of things mentioned in it either didn't happen or happened differently. I'd honestly be very surprised if both Jon and Daenerys are there at the end, although I fully expect at least one of them to survive in the show. About the great houses thing I would definitely blame D&D. I know D&D are responsible for those houses extinction as we know them, but the fact that they were so easily thrown away implies to me that they were never important in the grand scheme of things in ASOAIF. That is, Stannis will die (and with him Shireen, whether he burns her personally or not), the Tyrells (or at least, Mace, Margaery, Olenna and Loras) will die, and the Martells will suffer heavy personal losses too. They might not go extinct, but they will definitely suffer more than the Lannisters, Starks and Targaryens in the present timeline (Robert's Rebellion notwithstanding). The Tullys in the books are on their last legs too, since their last only non-celibate male is being held prisoner, and the Arryns are down to the Boy and Harold. F!Aegon is never sitting the thrown, because you don't just introduce (or rather, expand on) a character who ends up "winning" that late in the story. What I'm trying to say is, whether GRRM kills them off or not, the houses not named Stark, Targaryen and Lannister are not the central focus of the story and thus cannot be expected to end up "winning" in any way. Which means that the others are essentially vehicles of storytelling for those three. On the great houses
I know D&D are responsible for those houses extinction as we know them, but the fact that they were so easily thrown away implies to me that they were never important in the grand scheme of things in ASOAIF. That is, Stannis will die (and with him Shireen, whether he burns her personally or not), the Tyrells (or at least, Mace, Margaery, Olenna and Loras) will die, and the Martells will suffer heavy personal losses too. They might not go extinct, but they will definitely suffer more than the Lannisters, Starks and Targaryens in the present timeline (Robert's Rebellion notwithstanding). The Tullys in the books are on their last legs too, since their last only non-celibate male is being held prisoner, and the Arryns are down to the Boy and Harold. F!Aegon is never sitting the thrown, because you don't just introduce (or rather, expand on) a character who ends up "winning" that late in the story. What I'm trying to say is, whether GRRM kills them off or not, the houses not named Stark, Targaryen and Lannister are not the central focus of the story and thus cannot be expected to end up "winning" in any way. Which means that the others are essentially vehicles of storytelling for those three.
On Dany and Jon I wouldn't be suprised if one of them died, but neither D&D or GRRM were going to kill either of them off until closer to the end.
We're basically down to the core characters that have a high chance of making it through to the end, it makes sense main characters aren't dying because we're running out of ones that can be offed. |
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Post by Suaimhneas on Aug 29, 2017 19:31:45 GMT
I know in his original outline he identified his key five characters and mentioned that they'll live to the end. 'The five key players are Tyrion Lannister, Daenerys Targaryen, and three of the children of Winterfell, Arya, Bran, and the bastard Jon Snow.'
I dunno how relevant that outline is now considering most of things mentioned in it either didn't happen or happened differently. I'd honestly be very surprised if both Jon and Daenerys are there at the end, although I fully expect at least one of them to survive in the show. About the great houses thing I would definitely blame D&D. I know D&D are responsible for those houses extinction as we know them, but the fact that they were so easily thrown away implies to me that they were never important in the grand scheme of things in ASOAIF. That is, Stannis will die (and with him Shireen, whether he burns her personally or not), the Tyrells (or at least, Mace, Margaery, Olenna and Loras) will die, and the Martells will suffer heavy personal losses too. They might not go extinct, but they will definitely suffer more than the Lannisters, Starks and Targaryens in the present timeline (Robert's Rebellion notwithstanding). The Tullys in the books are on their last legs too, since their last only non-celibate male is being held prisoner, and the Arryns are down to the Boy and Harold. F!Aegon is never sitting the thrown, because you don't just introduce (or rather, expand on) a character who ends up "winning" that late in the story. What I'm trying to say is, whether GRRM kills them off or not, the houses not named Stark, Targaryen and Lannister are not the central focus of the story and thus cannot be expected to end up "winning" in any way. Which means that the others are essentially vehicles of storytelling for those three. On the great houses
I know D&D are responsible for those houses extinction as we know them, but the fact that they were so easily thrown away implies to me that they were never important in the grand scheme of things in ASOAIF. That is, Stannis will die (and with him Shireen, whether he burns her personally or not), the Tyrells (or at least, Mace, Margaery, Olenna and Loras) will die, and the Martells will suffer heavy personal losses too. They might not go extinct, but they will definitely suffer more than the Lannisters, Starks and Targaryens in the present timeline (Robert's Rebellion notwithstanding). The Tullys in the books are on their last legs too, since their last only non-celibate male is being held prisoner, and the Arryns are down to the Boy and Harold. F!Aegon is never sitting the thrown, because you don't just introduce (or rather, expand on) a character who ends up "winning" that late in the story. What I'm trying to say is, whether GRRM kills them off or not, the houses not named Stark, Targaryen and Lannister are not the central focus of the story and thus cannot be expected to end up "winning" in any way. Which means that the others are essentially vehicles of storytelling for those three.
On Dany and Jon I wouldn't be suprised if one of them died, but neither D&D or GRRM were going to kill either of them off until closer to the end.
We're basically down to the core characters that have a high chance of making it through to the end, it makes sense main characters aren't dying because we're running out of ones that can be offed. I understand your point of view although I think a number of things will go down differently.
I agree that characters aren't dying in the show because they're core characters and the cast has grown small. (Bronn defo should have died in episode 4 though).
I disagree that in the books we're down to core characters that'll make it to the end. I personally consider every PoV character a main character in the text and Cersei, Barristan, Aeron, Victarion, Arianne, Areo Hotah, and Jon Connington are definitely not making it to the end of TWOW.... I feel like maybe Cersei's death could be prolonged to ADOS, but I hope it isn't.
I'm fairly sure F!Aegon will sit the throne. When Jon Connington takes Storm’s End and then defeats Mace Tyrell, thanks in large part to the Golden Company’s “friends in the Reach” which no doubt includes Randyl Tarly who'll probably be the one to off Mace the Ace,Arianne will call Dorne’s spears north to join them. In Kings Landing Nym and Tyene kill Tommen and Myrcella, and the High Sparrow and faith militant will throw open the city gates to the perfect prince. You can call that winning, but remember that Daenerys is coming to face the Mummer's Dragon with 'Fire and Blood' and to become the 'Slayer of Lies' that lie being that Aegon is a legitimate Targaryen.
'a cloth dragon swaying on poles amongst a cheering crowd'
When Dany attacks King's Landing with dragonfire all that wildfire under it has gotta go boom in what people seem to like to call the 'Jade Holocaust'. Its also suspected that this will happen in an Arianne PoV penultimate chapter of TWOW right before the wall comes down... Fire and Ice.
I could see House Martell going extinct, with Quentyn already dead and Arianne gone kaboom. Maybe Doran and Trystane will remain alive or the Sand Snakes will take control or another major Dornish house will rise to power.
Losing Margaery, Loras, and Mace whilst devastating won't cripple House Tyrell. I'd fully expect Willas and Garlan's to make to the end. Will they play a role in saving humanity? Probably not but they'll protect the Reach from the Ironborn and Euron's “black and bloody tide". Thats winning imo.
When Stannis takes Winterfell and Shireen returns to him from the wall I suspect she'll be burnt by him as his last defence against the Others. Specifically she'll be his Nissa Nissa and it'll probably do nothing because he isn't Azor Ahai... but then Daenerys will show up with Dragons and he'll realise hes killed his daughter for nothing and Dany has slain another lie. Stannis isn't Azor Ahai.
'A glowing red sword in the hand of a blue eyed king that casts no shadow'
I personally don't think Stannis will die but rather he'll do some sort of penance to the realm after everything is finished... a new Nights Watch or something leaving Edric Storm to become the new head of House Baratheon.
Obviously Jon and Daenerys were going to make it through to the end thats been abundantly clear from book two. The question is will they survive or will they die and take House Targaryen with them. I'm definitely not expecting a Return of the King-esque ending and whether they have that magic baby the show seems to be setting them up with remains to be seen. I don't see any house that takes part in the war with the Others winning apart from House Stark. GRRM wasn't going to call the last book 'A Time for Wolves' for nothing. The title seems particularly noteworthy considering our two main heroes aren't even Starks... although I suppose you can consider Jon one.
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Post by Joey on Aug 30, 2017 4:56:11 GMT
Kinda disappointed with Rhaegar Targaryen. Wasn't he supposed to be superhiper handsome? Maybe he is, but for me... not really ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯  |
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Aug 30, 2017 7:14:39 GMT
Kinda disappointed with Rhaegar Targaryen. Wasn't he supposed to be superhiper handsome? Maybe he is, but for me... not really ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ Yes, Show Rhaegar is a huge disappointment. After building him up as "beautiful Rhaegar Targaryen" for so long, this casting choice was strange. And making him look like Viserys with that hairstyle was another mistake. I really think harry Lloyd who played Viserys is super beautiful and while I don't want to be mean, the guy they picked for prince Rhaegar just doesn't do it for me....sooooo count me as someone else who was disappointed, especially when they could've had this. :/  Alas, what could have been. Eh I also don't really like Rhagaer anyway if I'm being honest, because I just feel so bad for Elia Martell. |
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Aug 30, 2017 7:54:32 GMT
Onecrazymonkey1 This is the guy that was rumored to be playing Rhaegar, right? I don't know his name. Also, don't the books suggest that Elia was sort of okay with Rhaegar having a third child with Lyanna since Elia could not have any more children? Or am I misremembering? Yeah it was that guy, his name is Devin Oliver. I guess he was was joking about the whole thing but honestly if I were D&D I would have been thrilled that such a perfect Rhaegar landed in my lap and would've cast him right away. As for the books, I only read the first one and it was a while ago, so I did forget a lot of that as well. The reason being, is that I hate waiting years for books to finish, just like I hated waiting for the dark tower series to finish. I just might bite the bullet and read them though. However when I do actually read them, I hope they go about the situation differently. I mean, wouldn't the whole annulment thing delegitimize his previous children? (I could be wrong). I just highly doubt her being happy with that and either way, he humiliated Elia at Harrenhal and she just got a raw deal. I also believe it was mentioned that she did love him, so even if she would accept his shenanigans or maybe a mistress, I'm sure the annulment would still hurt, it just seems like he dumped her like yesterdays garbage as soon as she couldn't give him babies anymore. Man I just really love Oberyn and probably by extension my love is passing over to Elia. Sorry for blabbing. |
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Post by Suaimhneas on Aug 30, 2017 15:29:38 GMT
Kinda disappointed with Rhaegar Targaryen. Wasn't he supposed to be superhiper handsome? Maybe he is, but for me... not really ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ Yes, Show Rhaegar is a huge disappointment. After building him up as "beautiful Rhaegar Targaryen" for so long, this casting choice was strange. And making him look like Viserys with that hairstyle was another mistake. Viserys was way hotter imo.  |
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Aug 30, 2017 15:54:51 GMT
Harry Lloyd is handsome but I cant have the hots for him because he reminds to my uncle on my mother's side when he was younger lol
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 30, 2017 15:55:40 GMT
Viserys was way hotter imo. I'm sure Viserys was hotter... after he was crowned.  FUCK YOU I HAD A JOKE ABOUT THAT |
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