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Post by Ark on Jan 15, 2018 22:10:10 GMT
Like I said, I just worry about how EA will take this gaming flopping - it's a trend whether it's video games, movies, TV, whatever, the studio, the publisher, the ones who backed the failed product, they will always turn around and say that it wasn't the fact that the product itself was bad that caused it to bomb, it was this, that, and the other. I fear that EA will pin the blame for the failure on BioWare itself and decide that their best way to maximize future profits will be to break BioWare up and spread around its various properties. EA doesn't accept that the heavy criticisms that have hit the last several games are because of how they are managing this company, it's that the company is the one who is doing things wrong. That said, the fact that EA was hammered for Battlefront's lootbox system, which is facing multiple investigations into the whole thing... Honestly, for all EA's greed, I keep coming back to how the EU got the Pokemon games, published by Nintendo, who annually make more than all of EA's properties combined, to remove the Game Corner on the basis of them being gambling, so it is a possibility that whatever comes of that decision, it WILL change the model, hopefully while putting forward some other scapegoat. I feel like Bioware is damned either way at this point. If Anthem flops, like you said, they break up Bioware and we never see another single player game from them. If Anthem does really well, EA will take it as a sign that "this is what Bioware is good for" and cancel DA because "ME:A vs Anthem shows single player isn't what people want".  I'm pretty pessimistic well ever see DA4. EA seems pretty determined to kill off their single player franchises.  |
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Post by Scottphoto on Jan 15, 2018 23:07:36 GMT
So, I found an interview of Amy Hennig regarding her scrapped singleplayer Star wars game by EA. She said its not so much that they don't want to do singleplayer games, it's that the budget for games have increased a lot as graphics, hardware and other elements keeps evolving in quality. That's why micro transactions have become a way to really gain that money back from production, while still keeping the 60 dollar price.
Which makes sense and I agree to an extent, and I don't mind microtransactions per say, it's just the way you handle them. Give the player the option to buy upgrades with real money as an optional thing makes sense for a singleplayer experience for example. Giving players an advantage in multiplayer however is not right. I think keeping microtransactions in a mostly cosmetic way like Overwatch does is a solid ground for it.
In the end though, don't know what will happen on Bioware's case if they try to do a non multiplayer experience again.
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Jan 16, 2018 0:38:22 GMT
So, I found an interview of Amy Hennig regarding her scrapped singleplayer Star wars game by EA. She said its not so much that they don't want to do singleplayer games, it's that the budget for games have increased a lot as graphics, hardware and other elements keeps evolving in quality. That's why micro transactions have become a way to really gain that money back from production, while still keeping the 60 dollar price. Which makes sense and I agree to an extent, and I don't mind microtransactions per say, it's just the way you handle them. Give the player the option to buy upgrades with real money as an optional thing makes sense for a singleplayer experience for example. Giving players an advantage in multiplayer however is not right. I think keeping microtransactions in a mostly cosmetic way like Overwatch does is a solid ground for it. In the end though, don't know what will happen on Bioware's case if they try to do a non multiplayer experience again. It's one of the things that I don't think the big companies with the budget really understand - you CAN actually do a lot with a little. It feels like the bigger the studio and/or the publisher, the more they have to PUSH THE LIMITS of what you can do with the graphics, make them more and more real, when really, if you stylize your universe enough, you can create something that will be iconic of your game, of a given franchise, and often will be easier to maintain over engine upgrades and even across game generations. While there's value in pushing the boundaries and proving that it can be done, single-player games that focus on designing their own style that may not look quite as boundary breaking, not quite as real... It honestly can go a long way in making the games be economic. Like, the Telltale games all have a style that is unique to their brand, and they're popular enough that they've managed to get a few separate series going. |
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Post by lilyena on Jan 16, 2018 5:12:39 GMT
I don't want Anthem to fail, simply because if it does we'll probably never see DA4.
I mean, look at what they did to the studio that made MEA.
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Post by Red Fox on Jan 16, 2018 5:15:47 GMT
They are going to have to try and make it fail at this point with battlefront 2 and destiny 2 being disasters. If they screw it up they rightly deserve whatever happens to them.
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Post by Lee on Jan 16, 2018 5:31:02 GMT
I mean clearly, I'm a single player guy, and I have no interest in the multiplayer scene at all-but it just feels to me like even the multiplayer people are getting tired of just how many of those games are being shoved out all the time. What of the fact that most of them are designed simply to drain your wallet? Isn't it kind of insulting at this point?
If they want it to be a success they are going to have to find a way to make it not so "insert money to win" and make it something unique-which from what we've seen there's zero uniqueness to be had there. We shall see. I don't know if I want it to fail or not, but it seems like it will.
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Post by Sir Drell on Jan 16, 2018 10:53:55 GMT
So, I found an interview of Amy Hennig regarding her scrapped singleplayer Star wars game by EA. She said its not so much that they don't want to do singleplayer games, it's that the budget for games have increased a lot as graphics, hardware and other elements keeps evolving in quality. That's why micro transactions have become a way to really gain that money back from production, while still keeping the 60 dollar price. Which makes sense and I agree to an extent, and I don't mind microtransactions per say, it's just the way you handle them. Give the player the option to buy upgrades with real money as an optional thing makes sense for a singleplayer experience for example. Giving players an advantage in multiplayer however is not right. I think keeping microtransactions in a mostly cosmetic way like Overwatch does is a solid ground for it. In the end though, don't know what will happen on Bioware's case if they try to do a non multiplayer experience again. Fuck. Microtransactions. In. Full. Priced. Games. |
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Post by Red Fox on Jan 16, 2018 13:06:26 GMT
I mean clearly, I'm a single player guy, and I have no interest in the multiplayer scene at all-but it just feels to me like even the multiplayer people are getting tired of just how many of those games are being shoved out all the time. What of the fact that most of them are designed simply to drain your wallet? Isn't it kind of insulting at this point? If they want it to be a success they are going to have to find a way to make it not so "insert money to win" and make it something unique-which from what we've seen there's zero uniqueness to be had there. We shall see. I don't know if I want it to fail or not, but it seems like it will. This is pretty much why the main game I've been playing for the last 4 years has been ff14. |
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Post by Red Fox on Jan 25, 2018 14:17:32 GMT
So getting delayed to 2019. I wonder how much the lootbox blow back is responsible.
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Post by Sir Drell on Jan 25, 2018 15:15:57 GMT
So getting delayed to 2019. I wonder how much the lootbox blow back is responsible. Keep delaying it until it's cancelled. |
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Post by Red Fox on Jan 25, 2018 15:26:09 GMT
So getting delayed to 2019. I wonder how much the lootbox blow back is responsible. Keep delaying it until it's cancelled. Hahaha nah that would probably impact da4. |
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Post by Crimson on Jan 27, 2018 0:12:08 GMT
So getting delayed to 2019. I wonder how much the lootbox blow back is responsible. Keep delaying it until it's cancelled.  |
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Post by Red Fox on Jan 27, 2018 2:14:02 GMT
Keep delaying it until it's cancelled. I will never get tired of that gif. |
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Post by lilyena on Jan 27, 2018 2:21:29 GMT
Keep delaying it until it's cancelled. Hahaha nah that would probably impact da4. Yeah unfortunately if Anthem bombs it's probably going to kill Bioware. Which means no DA4. They've already let this stupid game take up all of their resources, I'd rather they get the thing out sooner than keep delaying. Every delay is a delay to them getting back to Dragon Age.  |
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Post by Red Fox on Jan 27, 2018 2:24:42 GMT
Hahaha nah that would probably impact da4. Yeah unfortunately if Anthem bombs it's probably going to kill Bioware. Which means no DA4. They've already let this stupid game take up all of their resources, I'd rather they get the thing out sooner than keep delaying. Every delay is a delay to them getting back to Dragon Age. I know most of you hate this game but buy a copy if you want to keep Bioware on life support. |
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Post by lilyena on Jan 27, 2018 3:33:00 GMT
Yeah unfortunately if Anthem bombs it's probably going to kill Bioware. Which means no DA4. They've already let this stupid game take up all of their resources, I'd rather they get the thing out sooner than keep delaying. Every delay is a delay to them getting back to Dragon Age. I know most of you hate this game but buy a copy if you want to keep Bioware on life support. I don't hate it, don't know enough about it to hate it. I hate that it's development has negatively affected 3 other franchises that I enjoy. I'll buy it if it looks like something I'd like to play, but I honestly have no interest in shooter games with other people in them.  People. |
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Post by Red Fox on Jan 27, 2018 4:07:09 GMT
I know most of you hate this game but buy a copy if you want to keep Bioware on life support. I don't hate it, don't know enough about it to hate it. I hate that it's development has negatively affected 3 other franchises that I enjoy. I'll buy it if it looks like something I'd like to play, but I honestly have no interest in shooter games with other people in them. People. I love these types of games but they've been so bullshit lately. |
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Jan 27, 2018 11:27:42 GMT
It's a catch-22, really. Even if the situation for BioWare weren't so bad, I wouldn't be interested in Anthem. I do not want this game, not just as a protest to the bullshit treatment Andromeda got, but just in general. So my purchase was never a guarantee for this game in the first place, and really, I don't want to buy a game just to never play it. I definitely don't want to pay full price for a game I'd sell to a second hand store at a loss. But I do want DA4 and MENext (be it a direct sequel to Andromeda or not).
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Post by Sir Drell on Jan 27, 2018 11:47:51 GMT
I know most of you hate this game but buy a copy if you want to keep Bioware on life support. I don't hate it, don't know enough about it to hate it. I hate that it's development has negatively affected 3 other franchises that I enjoy. I'll buy it if it looks like something I'd like to play, but I honestly have no interest in shooter games with other people in them. People. Nobody should feel obligated to buy a game. |
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Post by Lee on Jan 27, 2018 11:59:35 GMT
Here's my thought: I feel like buying a game you don't want in hopes of getting something else, later on, is a bad strategy. EA/Ware is not all that interested in initial sales anymore-after all Andromeda did very well with sales and it still got dropped like it's hot cause of the negative feedback. The money that EA/Ware are interested in is long time investments via microtransactions/DLC etc.
If you, like myself, have no interest in playing Anthem then why throw away 60 bucks? You won't be the customer they want-cause you don't even want to play the game and certainly don't want to drop extra money on top of that.
Also, there is an honest fear that supporting anthem tells BioWare that we want that sort of game and we agree with EA that single player is boring and done. I'm not feeding that monster.
Please note, that I have nothing but love for anyone who likes those games like my dearest Dirkyboo the birb. However, not everyone does like it and no one should buy it out of fear of not getting Dragon Age. Anthem will be a success or a failure based on its merit and the reception of it by the people who play those kinds of games-not by RPG fans giving them 60 bucks or more out of fear.
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