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Post by Ark on May 16, 2017 20:03:32 GMT
I'm just gonna drop in here to say...can I keep him?    The other part of that Gif. He's just so amazing to look at  |
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Post by coldchrome on May 16, 2017 20:05:09 GMT
I'm just gonna drop in here to say...can I keep him? The other part of that Gif. He's just so amazing to look at Bioware hates us  WHY COULDNT THEY GIVE US HIM AS A GAY SQUADMATE :NERDRAGE: |
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 17, 2017 5:51:37 GMT
Personally I think they should give us Macen.
That's right.
#prettyghostbangin
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Post by Ark on May 17, 2017 5:58:53 GMT
Personally I think they should give us Macen. That's right. #prettyghostbangin  |
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 17, 2017 6:00:48 GMT
Personally I think they should give us Macen. That's right. #prettyghostbangin Yeah baby. Make me the meat in that scaly sandwich. |
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Post by Lee on May 17, 2017 10:19:39 GMT
I think I know what the special sauce will be.  |
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Post by sugarshark on Jun 20, 2017 10:28:03 GMT
Honestly, as far as Avitus is concerned, I'm still quite a bit bitter at the no "I love you" or anything equivalent from Macen to him not even in Macen's final, dying message ...heck, nothing to clearly point to them being a couple. It just strikes me as a "If you don't like the thought of this badass character being gay then we made it just subtle enough that you can construe that he's not." Considering the state of the game on launch coupled with the disturbing behind the scenes shenanigans that were leaked, to me it's very clear that someone on the original MEA team had an agenda to bury gay content, M/M in particular, as much as they could possibly get away with, and by and large they succeeded. And on the same token, with the rumors of the original MEA team being largely disbanded and replaced, and the immediate expansion of Jaal as a bisexual romance thereafter, whose gay romance path is every bit as good as his straight one, that homophobic force has obviously since been subdued/removed. If the responsible parties are still with the company hopefully they've been reassigned to some miserable voiceless desk job, being kept far, far away from our beloved RPG series. |
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Post by Sir Drell on Jun 20, 2017 13:04:00 GMT
Honestly, as far as Avitus is concerned, I'm still quite a bit bitter at the no "I love you" or anything equivalent from Macen to him not even in Macen's final, dying message ...heck, nothing to clearly point to them being a couple. It just strikes me as a "If you don't like the thought of this badass character being gay then we made it just subtle enough that you can construe that he's not." Considering the state of the game on launch coupled with the disturbing behind the scenes shenanigans that were leaked, to me it's very clear that someone on the original MEA team had an agenda to bury gay content, M/M in particular, as much as they could possibly get away with, and by and large they succeeded. And on the same token, with the rumors of the original MEA team being largely disbanded and replaced, and the immediate expansion of Jaal as a bisexual romance thereafter, whose gay romance path is every bit as good as his straight one, that homophobic force has obviously since been subdued/removed. If the responsible parties are still with the company hopefully they've been reassigned to some miserable voiceless desk job, being kept far, far away from our beloved RPG series. Yeah whoever those new people are who worked on the bi Jaal patch, all I have to say to them is "where have you been?!?...and thank you of course". |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 6:46:57 GMT
Honestly, as far as Avitus is concerned, I'm still quite a bit bitter at the no "I love you" or anything equivalent from Macen to him not even in Macen's final, dying message ...heck, nothing to clearly point to them being a couple. It just strikes me as a "If you don't like the thought of this badass character being gay then we made it just subtle enough that you can construe that he's not." Believe me, I am not one to take any subtle hints and go, "NOW KISS *smoosh heads together*." I thought it seemed obvious enough, especially when you talk to Avitus again if he becomes Pathfinder. I don't think hearing the "I love you" is necessary. Every couple is going to be different in the way they express affection and love. Avitus doesn't seem perturbed by it in the moment, or even later on. |
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Post by sugarshark on Jun 22, 2017 10:15:01 GMT
Honestly, as far as Avitus is concerned, I'm still quite a bit bitter at the no "I love you" or anything equivalent from Macen to him not even in Macen's final, dying message ...heck, nothing to clearly point to them being a couple. It just strikes me as a "If you don't like the thought of this badass character being gay then we made it just subtle enough that you can construe that he's not." Believe me, I am not one to take any subtle hints and go, "NOW KISS *smoosh heads together*." I thought it seemed obvious enough, especially when you talk to Avitus again if he becomes Pathfinder. I don't think hearing the "I love you" is necessary. Every couple is going to be different in the way they express affection and love. Avitus doesn't seem perturbed by it in the moment, or even later on. I would be more inclined to agree with you if it wasn't for the FUBAR anti-LGBT movement going on behind the scenes with this game during production. I have also heard from a very reliable inside source that making gay couples just subtle enough so a gamerbro can delude himself with the thought that maybe they aren't actually gay is a tactic that Bioware has used before, with Saemus and Ashaad from DA2. I thought it was plainly obvious that they were romantically involved as well -- but I have to remember I saw it easily because I'm not a bigot and can read into things. Your average homophobic gamerbro tends to have a different mindset in that if a gay coupling isn't spelled out for them then there's "no proof" that they're actually gay. Hell, even if there should be no question about a gay couple they'll retreat to their safe space. A few years ago a beloved NPC in WoW, a male orc, expressed interest in a male blood elf. Cue the wave of threatened gamerbros arguing that the orc "obviously" just thought the elf was a female, or it was "just an inside joke" poking fun at how feminine blood elf males are. Rationalizing away the gay...it's truly a stupefying phenomena among gamerbros. In all honesty, I will bet anything that had one of Avitus or Macen been female their love would've been more pronounced. I have no faith that the original MEA team, the same folks who straightwashed Jaal, who almost straightwashed Vetra and Suvi, who denied gay men a squaddie LI and a romance achievement, presented Avitus and Macen's relationship as subtle as they did for any reason other than to bury it for the gamerbros' sake. |
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Post by Sir Drell on Jun 22, 2017 10:30:11 GMT
Believe me, I am not one to take any subtle hints and go, "NOW KISS *smoosh heads together*." I thought it seemed obvious enough, especially when you talk to Avitus again if he becomes Pathfinder. I don't think hearing the "I love you" is necessary. Every couple is going to be different in the way they express affection and love. Avitus doesn't seem perturbed by it in the moment, or even later on. I would be more inclined to agree with you if it wasn't for the FUBAR anti-LGBT movement going on behind the scenes with this game during production. I have also heard from a very reliable inside source that making gay couples just subtle enough so a gamerbro can delude himself with the thought that maybe they aren't actually gay is a tactic that Bioware has used before, with Saemus and Ashaad from DA2. I thought it was plainly obvious that they were romantically involved as well -- but I have to remember I saw it easily because I'm not a bigot and can read into things. Your average homophobic gamerbro tends to have a different mindset in that if a gay coupling isn't spelled out for them then there's "no proof" that they're actually gay. Hell, even if there should be no question about a gay couple they'll retreat to their safe space. A few years ago a beloved NPC in WoW, a male orc, expressed interest in a male blood elf. Cue the wave of threatened gamerbros arguing that the orc "obviously" just thought the elf was a female, or it was "just an inside joke" poking fun at how feminine blood elf males are. Rationalizing away the gay...it's truly a stupefying phenomena among gamerbros. In all honesty, I will bet anything that had one of Avitus or Macen been female their love would've been more pronounced. I have no faith that the original MEA team, the same folks who straightwashed Jaal, who almost straightwashed Vetra and Suvi, who denied gay men a squaddie LI and a romance achievement, presented Avitus and Macen's relationship as subtle as they did for any reason other than to bury it for the gamerbros' sake. You make the best posts you know that? |
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Post by sugarshark on Jun 22, 2017 14:03:55 GMT
I would be more inclined to agree with you if it wasn't for the FUBAR anti-LGBT movement going on behind the scenes with this game during production. I have also heard from a very reliable inside source that making gay couples just subtle enough so a gamerbro can delude himself with the thought that maybe they aren't actually gay is a tactic that Bioware has used before, with Saemus and Ashaad from DA2. I thought it was plainly obvious that they were romantically involved as well -- but I have to remember I saw it easily because I'm not a bigot and can read into things. Your average homophobic gamerbro tends to have a different mindset in that if a gay coupling isn't spelled out for them then there's "no proof" that they're actually gay. Hell, even if there should be no question about a gay couple they'll retreat to their safe space. A few years ago a beloved NPC in WoW, a male orc, expressed interest in a male blood elf. Cue the wave of threatened gamerbros arguing that the orc "obviously" just thought the elf was a female, or it was "just an inside joke" poking fun at how feminine blood elf males are. Rationalizing away the gay...it's truly a stupefying phenomena among gamerbros. In all honesty, I will bet anything that had one of Avitus or Macen been female their love would've been more pronounced. I have no faith that the original MEA team, the same folks who straightwashed Jaal, who almost straightwashed Vetra and Suvi, who denied gay men a squaddie LI and a romance achievement, presented Avitus and Macen's relationship as subtle as they did for any reason other than to bury it for the gamerbros' sake. You make the best posts you know that? Why thank you very much!  I just post my observations. Man, I still feel sickeningly disappointed over Saemus and Ashaad. For quite a while I was so satisfied with how their coupling was presented...contented in my assumption that no attention was being brought to the homosexuality of their relationship because it wasn't a big damn deal to anyone at all. ...and then I was told in so many words, "Hate to break it to you, but the subtlety in their relationship was done so that the player could construe that they weren't actually gay -- just very close." That hit me like a bombshell. The bright spot in an otherwise terrible game for me was wiped away in an instant. Knowing that going into Andromeda, especially with the reports of all the homophobic crap going on within the MEA team, when I saw that Avitus and Macen had a similar subtlety about their relationship I was (and still am) immediately and absolutely convinced it's the Saemus/Ashaad "hide the gay in plain sight" tactic all over again. Hopefully in future DLC if MEA ever has any this, too, will be corrected and we'll get undeniable confirmation of Avitus and Macen's romance. |
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Post by Sir Drell on Jun 22, 2017 14:40:59 GMT
You make the best posts you know that? Why thank you very much! I just post my observations. Man, I still feel sickeningly disappointed over Saemus and Ashaad. For quite a while I was so satisfied with how their coupling was presented...contented in my assumption that no attention was being brought to the homosexuality of their relationship because it wasn't a big damn deal to anyone at all. ...and then I was told in so many words, "Hate to break it to you, but the subtlety in their relationship was done so that the player could construe that they weren't actually gay -- just very close." That hit me like a bombshell. The bright spot in an otherwise terrible game for me was wiped away in an instant. Knowing that going into Andromeda, especially with the reports of all the homophobic crap going on within the MEA team, when I saw that Avitus and Macen had a similar subtlety about their relationship I was (and still am) immediately and absolutely convinced it's the Saemus/Ashaad "hide the gay in plain sight" tactic all over again. Hopefully in future DLC if MEA ever has any this, too, will be corrected and we'll get undeniable confirmation of Avitus and Macen's romance. Yeah when I realised just how fucked up the whole situation surrounding MEA was, I almost couldn't believe it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 20:01:18 GMT
I would be more inclined to agree with you if it wasn't for the FUBAR anti-LGBT movement going on behind the scenes with this game during production. I have also heard from a very reliable inside source that making gay couples just subtle enough so a gamerbro can delude himself with the thought that maybe they aren't actually gay is a tactic that Bioware has used before, with Saemus and Ashaad from DA2. I thought it was plainly obvious that they were romantically involved as well -- but I have to remember I saw it easily because I'm not a bigot and can read into things. Your average homophobic gamerbro tends to have a different mindset in that if a gay coupling isn't spelled out for them then there's "no proof" that they're actually gay. Hell, even if there should be no question about a gay couple they'll retreat to their safe space. A few years ago a beloved NPC in WoW, a male orc, expressed interest in a male blood elf. Cue the wave of threatened gamerbros arguing that the orc "obviously" just thought the elf was a female, or it was "just an inside joke" poking fun at how feminine blood elf males are. Rationalizing away the gay...it's truly a stupefying phenomena among gamerbros. In all honesty, I will bet anything that had one of Avitus or Macen been female their love would've been more pronounced. I have no faith that the original MEA team, the same folks who straightwashed Jaal, who almost straightwashed Vetra and Suvi, who denied gay men a squaddie LI and a romance achievement, presented Avitus and Macen's relationship as subtle as they did for any reason other than to bury it for the gamerbros' sake. Who is this? I played WoW for 10 years, horde side, and this is completely new to me. If this was in a random quest, I likely didn't retain it. There are so, so many quests, and I'm a completionist; I've done literally thousands of WoW quests. I once asked a thread if there were any same-sex references in the game and was pointed to quite a few, but they were all small things that I never noticed in the course of playing the game. |
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Post by sugarshark on Jun 23, 2017 1:22:05 GMT
I would be more inclined to agree with you if it wasn't for the FUBAR anti-LGBT movement going on behind the scenes with this game during production. I have also heard from a very reliable inside source that making gay couples just subtle enough so a gamerbro can delude himself with the thought that maybe they aren't actually gay is a tactic that Bioware has used before, with Saemus and Ashaad from DA2. I thought it was plainly obvious that they were romantically involved as well -- but I have to remember I saw it easily because I'm not a bigot and can read into things. Your average homophobic gamerbro tends to have a different mindset in that if a gay coupling isn't spelled out for them then there's "no proof" that they're actually gay. Hell, even if there should be no question about a gay couple they'll retreat to their safe space. A few years ago a beloved NPC in WoW, a male orc, expressed interest in a male blood elf. Cue the wave of threatened gamerbros arguing that the orc "obviously" just thought the elf was a female, or it was "just an inside joke" poking fun at how feminine blood elf males are. Rationalizing away the gay...it's truly a stupefying phenomena among gamerbros. In all honesty, I will bet anything that had one of Avitus or Macen been female their love would've been more pronounced. I have no faith that the original MEA team, the same folks who straightwashed Jaal, who almost straightwashed Vetra and Suvi, who denied gay men a squaddie LI and a romance achievement, presented Avitus and Macen's relationship as subtle as they did for any reason other than to bury it for the gamerbros' sake. Who is this? I played WoW for 10 years, horde side, and this is completely new to me. If this was in a random quest, I likely didn't retain it. There are so, so many quests, and I'm a completionist; I've done literally thousands of WoW quests. I once asked a thread if there were any same-sex references in the game and was pointed to quite a few, but they were all small things that I never noticed in the course of playing the game. It's part of the Cataclysm Badlands quest The Day that Deathwing Came: What Really Happened. The first order of business is to choose a "hot babe" to accompany the biker orc Martek the Exiled in his tall tale; one of his options is a male blood elf. If the blood elf is chosen, Martek will go on to say that he and "the strapping blood elf" "shared a tender moment" before Martek challenged Deathwing to a knife fight. I haven't played WoW in quite a while. Not sure if the quest still exists. But it was an amusing one. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 1:55:14 GMT
Who is this? I played WoW for 10 years, horde side, and this is completely new to me. If this was in a random quest, I likely didn't retain it. There are so, so many quests, and I'm a completionist; I've done literally thousands of WoW quests. I once asked a thread if there were any same-sex references in the game and was pointed to quite a few, but they were all small things that I never noticed in the course of playing the game. It's part of the Cataclysm Badlands quest The Day that Deathwing Came: What Really Happened. The first order of business is to choose a "hot babe" to accompany the biker orc Martek the Exiled in his tall tale; one of his options is a male blood elf. If the blood elf is chosen, Martek will go on to say that he and "the strapping blood elf" "shared a tender moment" before Martek challenged Deathwing to a knife fight. I haven't played WoW in quite a while. Not sure if the quest still exists. But it was an amusing one. Hah thanks. According to Wowhead, it does still exist. I think I've only done the post-Cata Badlands quests a single time. Er... back to Avitus. I like him a whole bunch.  |
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