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Post by Davrin's boobs on Aug 8, 2017 2:58:09 GMT
I dont do english nowadays too much so I'm saving a speech. But Daenerys is the best ✌.ʕʘ‿ʘʔ.✌ #NoHetero Also I couldnt help it and I did this (7x04 spoilers of Arya) Aaaand why is Tom Hopper so perfect, I'm in love with him since Merlin  It's a total mystery   And then they name him Dickon... I hope he survives and gets out of the screen to ask me for marriage |
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Post by Ark on Aug 8, 2017 3:46:15 GMT
I don't hate her either. Jon earned his place, but the thing is, so did Dany! Yet all throughout the show she keeps going "It's my birthright, give it now" but nobody cares about that, and then she earns things by fighting, making allies, hard work, and it looks like she learnt her lesson but goes back to the birthright thing again. It's like she keeps having to learn her lesson over and over. How has Jon earned his place, exactly? By being born an almost Stark? (Birthright) By fighting the dead or the Boltons? (Warfare) By getting resurrected by Melisandre? (Magic) Dany is better in EACH of those categories. Plus, at least Dany strove to make her life better when she found herself in less than ideal circumstances, unlike Jon who basically (for all he knew) pissed his future down the wall by running away crying to the Night's Watch. "Catelyn is mean to me, Uncle Benjen! I wanna leave! I wanna go to the Night's Watch before we even know anything about WWs!"  I don't understand the perpetual hard-on for Jon Snow. For Kit Harrington, yes, but not Jon. I don't think anyone on this board has much love for Jon Snow? Could be wrong, but i've yet to see it on this forum. What irritates me about Dany is that she claims a right to rule over the north when they themselves have already CHOSEN a leader. Jon's not claiming to have a right to rule over anyone based on birth, or magic, or even warfare like you listed. He didn't demand the title of King in the north, it was given to him. And he's certainly not saying he deserves to rule over the rest of Westeros. Drell's point wasn't that Dany doesn't have a claim, he agreed with you that she has a good claim. It's that she can't let go of the damn bloodline argument. |
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Post by Ark on Aug 8, 2017 4:10:10 GMT
Jon was chosen after they won Winterfell back through warfare, (not his idea) and even that with help from the Vale (not his accomplishment) and then because they thought he was Stark's only living son (Birthright). Westeros is not a democracy. There is no constitution. Choosing a king means nothing if someone far stronger begs to differ. The right to rule rests largely upon the ability to claim that right, whether by force or other means. I'm not gonna say you're wrong, cause you're certainly not. My point is that I don't like it, and by extension Dany. And the show keeps trying to have it both ways. Missandei describes her as "the Queen we chose", and that she can leave whenever she want's, Dany will give her a ship to sail away in, same with the unsullied. But then, as you correctly point out, the choices of the people of Westeros are meaningless, cause Dany is just gonna crush those that don't obey. |
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 8, 2017 4:22:43 GMT
All the Lannisters (includes allies, not including the kids bc you know they aren't really a big part of the game etc etc) have so much plot armor it's getting ridiculous. Bron just to happens to jump out of dragon's fire EVERY single time, I'm just getting a bit sick of it all. Every side keeps having losses but Lannisters just like breeze through all their losses (I'm simplifying pls don't rage at me) and like... Well, all main characters breeze through their losses, they all have plot armour until they don't. I mean, Jon and Dany's plot armour is fucking indestructible. Not rooting for Dany is pointless. You're never going to get what you want. It's not a problem for Jon though because how can you not root for him? His goals are so pure and you just can't hate them. And nobody's gonna rage at you bby. well as in Dany has lost most her allies which affects her but Lannisters don't really lose their allies and if they did it's bc they killed them themselves. also Cersei might be 'capable' but I do not want her for a ruler considering how ruthless and immoral she is. tho i agree with Dany's "born to rule" thing getting annoying (even tho it's true) |
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Post by Ark on Aug 8, 2017 4:43:13 GMT
I'm not gonna say you're wrong, cause you're certainly not. My point is that I don't like it, and by extension Dany. And the show keeps trying to have it both ways. Missandei describes her as "the Queen we chose", and that she can leave whenever she want's, Dany will give her a ship to sail away in, same with the unsullied. But then, as you correctly point out, the choices of the people of Westeros are meaningless, cause Dany is just gonna crush those that don't obey. I may be wrong, but I feel that the point of contention arises because you're using present day, real world standards of ethics to judge this situation, whereas I'm trying to keep it strictly within the (admittedly more brutal) context of the fictional universe itself. According to the rules of the fictional setting, Dany has: 1) Best/Oldest claim by Birthright. 2) Best claim by military strength. 3) Best claim by being magical / performing miracles. I agree that this season hasn't presented the nicest side of Dany, but her claim is pretty much unassailable at this point. I actually don't think there is a point of contention here? I'm not trying to argue you're wrong, I'm just explaining why I don't like Dany. I'll admit i use my own set of ethics to base my opinions on.  Dany has the better claim, i just like hers less than i like Jon's, regardless of the strength of said claims. |
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Post by Joey on Aug 8, 2017 4:45:44 GMT
-Rickon?
-Dickon
-BWAHAHAHA
God, I love Bronn
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Post by Ark on Aug 8, 2017 4:55:21 GMT
I actually don't think there is a point of contention here? I'm not trying to argue you're wrong, I'm just explaining why I don't like Dany. I'll admit i use my own set of ethics to base my opinions on. Dany has the better claim, i just like hers less than i like Jon's, regardless of the strength of said claims. Lol. Fair enough. Although I still wish Dany would go all  on Jon Snow. There's a decent chance we're ALL gonna have to settle for Targaryan incest babies running around King's Landing.  |
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Aug 8, 2017 6:10:10 GMT
You people hate too much XD My fav is Dany since day one and book one, as feminist this character has a lot of traits and development that I love to death. But I love almost all of the characters, I love to hate to love villains like Cersei as much as I love Dany. With the good guys (or grey guys in this universe lol) I always think about them like a Scooby Gang, they have their differences but like every group of people have them. Seeing how this season a lot of characters are in group with future alliances in the way keeps my nerdy heart pumping. I tend to do this in every fiction I watch/read/play tbh I blame Buffy   |
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Post by Ark on Aug 8, 2017 6:35:33 GMT
You people hate too much XD My fav is Dany since day one and book one, as feminist this character has a lot of traits and development that I love to death. But I love almost all of the characters, I love to hate to love villains like Cersei as much as I love Dany. With the good guys (or grey guys in this universe lol) I always think about them like a Scooby Gang, they have their differences but like every group of people have them. Seeing how this season a lot of characters are in group with future alliances in the way keeps my nerdy heart pumping. I tend to do this in every fiction I watch/read/play tbh I blame Buffy I never watched Buffy growing up!  I watched Angel... it was alright, Fred was great. I also may be the only person i know who likes Julie Benz (Darla)? I acknowledge my wierdness Back on topic: After thinking about it, I think I just really want to see the north remain independent. Also, more direwolves. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 10:15:09 GMT
I think Cersei will win this season (again), but next season they will finally kill her in spectacular way, with all those monsters from the north just around the corner.. I love this show, I have so much laugh watching it... |
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Post by Crimson on Aug 8, 2017 12:45:12 GMT
I've been pretty quiet, but I'm also not boarding the Dany train. She left Slaver's Bay in a huge mess, and now she's come back to Westeros for her 'rightful' throne without either knowing or caring much about the people she plans on ruling. I can't even give her much credit for holding back on using her dragons, because it seems like she's more concerned about how that will look than how many innocent lives will be lost along with the enemy armies. It's just, I'd rather have the more capable person ruling, not the more 'rightful' one. Look at how Dany ruled slaver's bay, then look at Cersei so far. she's more capable than the last three kings combined.But really, it's hard to care that much about the iron throne and who's on it when the end of the world is coming from up North! Cersei is not a capable leader, she's a hot mess, great villain my fav of the series easily but lol, she's no great tactician, she's no Tywin Lannister. It will all blow up in her face, like all her plans, she's consistent on that.  My banner is Stark, would rather stay in the North myself and let the South squabble if it wasn't for that pesky army of the dead approaching.  So good to see most of the Stark pups back together! Loved the sparring scene between Brienne and Arya. Also, that last episode, excellent. Agreed about Bronn and his thick plot armour, really, that close and nothing.  Littlefinger's face when Bran pretty much drops his line back at him ahahaha bout time, that slimy fucker.  He'll try to create a wedge between my precious Stark pups, dude needs to get stabbed real bad. Dany getting shit done, finally, love when she brings out dem nukes, glorious! Good to see her listening to Jon, he'll bend the knee soon, so damn stubborn. I just loved this scene so much. |
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Post by Sir Drell on Aug 8, 2017 13:08:50 GMT
Lol. Fair enough. Although I still wish Dany would go all on Jon Snow. There's a decent chance we're ALL gonna have to settle for Targaryan incest babies running around King's Landing. But hey, they're cool, so just accept it. Also Jon is shit in every way. FEED ME CANARGE LET THE SERIES END WITH DEATH AND WAR, which will acomplish nothing, and the walkers will just come back again. |
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Post by Sir Drell on Aug 8, 2017 13:19:52 GMT
I don't hate her either. Jon earned his place, but the thing is, so did Dany! Yet all throughout the show she keeps going "It's my birthright, give it now" but nobody cares about that, and then she earns things by fighting, making allies, hard work, and it looks like she learnt her lesson but goes back to the birthright thing again. It's like she keeps having to learn her lesson over and over. How has Jon earned his place, exactly? By being born an almost Stark or a secret Targaryen? (Nebulous Birthright) By fighting the dead or the Boltons? (Reluctant Warfare) By getting resurrected by Melisandre? (Someone Else's Magic) Dany is better in EACH of those categories. Plus, at least Dany strove to make her life better when she found herself in less than ideal circumstances, unlike Jon who basically (for all he knew) pissed his future down the wall by running away crying to the Night's Watch. "Catelyn is mean to me, Uncle Benjen! I wanna leave! I wanna go to the Night's Watch before we even know anything about WWs!"  When the Boltons had Winterfell, all Jon could say was, "They have more men!  I'm tired of fighting, Sansa! I wanna NAP! Leave me alone! Lemme sleep! Waaaah!" I don't understand the perpetual hard-on for Jon Snow. For Kit Harrington, yes, but not Jon. Lol. I don't understand any of your reasoning. |
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Aug 8, 2017 13:37:54 GMT
None of the main characters in Game of Thrones are anything near being perfect exemplars of virtue and competence, which is kind of the point, I think. That said, if Cersei had dragons, I think that Westeros would likely be a post-apocalyptic wasteland by now.  |
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Post by Sir Drell on Aug 8, 2017 13:54:54 GMT
Lol. I don't understand any of your reasoning. Well, considering your original statement, I'm not surprised. Oh my post above? I'm just adjusting everything about me to what you all want to hear so i don't get torn apart at every turn. It feels just wonderful to have to do that. |
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Post by Sir Drell on Aug 8, 2017 14:10:45 GMT
Oh my post above? I'm just adjusting everything about me to what you all want to hear so i don't get torn apart at every turn. It feels just wonderful to have to do that. Aww, you shouldn't do that. Who's tearing you apart? Really? |
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Post by Suaimhneas on Aug 8, 2017 14:16:06 GMT
There's a decent chance we're ALL gonna have to settle for Targaryan incest babies running around King's Landing. But hey, they're cool, so just accept it. Also Jon is shit in every way. FEED ME CANARGE LET THE SERIES END WITH DEATH AND WAR, which will acomplish nothing, and the walkers will just come back again.Will they though? The show has shown that there isn't a huge amount of them and we know that they can't reproduce naturally. |
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Post by Sir Drell on Aug 8, 2017 14:23:57 GMT
Listen dude, it seems you really don't like it when anyone disagrees with you. Not sharing your opinion and asking you questions about it is not the same as being torn apart. It's not that anyone has anything against you personally. Why are you letting a discussion about a story get to you this much? Disagreements happen. They're a necessary consequence of sharing ideas and opinions with many different people, such as on a forum. Why are you taking it personally and getting all hurt by it? It's not that people are disagreeing with me, I'm angry at myself for being so wrong. |
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Post by Suaimhneas on Aug 8, 2017 14:33:43 GMT
I don't understand the perpetual hard-on for Jon Snow. For Kit Harrington, yes, but not Jon. I totally agree... with both points. Jon is a character that was never all that interesting but the show has went out of their way to make him the good guy. Thats something this show lost when Ned died in season one and something they didn't really need back. All the interesting parts of his character like his jealousy of Robb etc weren't brought to the screen because they were in his head, but even the things like his decent political mind were left out in favour of the a man with HONOUR approach. At least he isn't flawless that'd be infuriating. He does makes frequent dumb decisions, like charging at Ramsey at BOTB and fucking over his own army. Also going to Dragonstone and expecting Daenerys to believe him about mythical creatures without proof. I'm also aware that if the leaks are true we can expect more dumb decisions. |
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Post by Sir Drell on Aug 8, 2017 14:37:50 GMT
It's not that people are disagreeing with me, I'm angry at myself for being so wrong. Okay then.  Now please just listen, when everything single point i make gets completely disagreed with, literally every one, it's clear i'm doing something wrong. How can i just brush that off? How can i just go on saying what i want to, when i know that everything I'll say is not what people want to hear, I'll never get people to like me that way. And waking up to this naturally feels pretty shit, I'm sure you get that. |
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Littlefinger's face when Bran pretty much drops his line back at him ahahaha bout time, that slimy fucker. 
He'll try to create a wedge between my precious Stark pups, dude needs to get stabbed real bad.
