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Post by Andrew Mancer on Aug 23, 2017 7:55:51 GMT
Ooh, I use the female Hawke animations on male Hawke all the time now, and I love it!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 8:08:29 GMT
Link to DA2 mod, please!! Ah, found it. And one for NPCs.Will definitely have to use these the next time I play DA2. I don't think animation mods are possible with the current version of the DAI Tools. Perhaps whenever Frosty is finally working with DAI we'll be able to have such things. Do the MEA ladies have this issue? I've never really noticed when I run around with Cora, and I've never played Sara outside of that one bit where you control your sibling (didn't pay attention to the movement).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 10:18:17 GMT
So I'm looking at some random Skyrim crafting mod and... damn Wade is ripped. Herren puts up with his nonsense just to watch him do his thing at the forge.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 12:33:05 GMT
So I'm looking at some random Skyrim crafting mod and... damn Wade is ripped. Herren puts up with his nonsense just to watch him do his thing at the forge. There are jeans in Skyrim?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 13:51:22 GMT
So I'm looking at some random Skyrim crafting mod and... damn Wade is ripped. Herren puts up with his nonsense just to watch him do his thing at the forge. There are jeans in Skyrim? There is just about everything in Skyrim with mods. That's not an actual pic from Skyrim. I think it's either a full fanart, or something someone edited to have Wade's face. This is an image that the mod author used for a crafting mod, and doesn't really have anything to do with the mod itself, which simply sorts the crafting list into categories to make things easier to find. I wouldn't be surprised if they were also a DA fan. XD
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 19:55:33 GMT
Elves aren't my thing, but someone made a DAI mod so you can have an elf Circle mage origin. It's not 100% perfect (Josephine refers to you as Trevelyan in one conversation), but it seems pretty decent. As with any mods of this type, keep in mind that this isn't something that can be supported by the Keep for import into the next game.
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Post by dino on Sept 22, 2017 5:03:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 6:35:06 GMT
Eh I'm not surprised. To be honest, most fandoms have toxic behavior; it's not limited to DA or ME fandom. I stopped reading Dragon Age Confessions long ago because I couldn't stand people's attitudes about certain things. I don't know whether the person got messaged though Tumblr, or not, but I will say that I don't understand why people leave anonymous asks open as an option. I never choose to be anonymous when I message someone. Own your shit. If you're going to be an asshole, own that, too, and help out the rest of the world so we know to avoid you. Obviously that doesn't prevent all asshole behavior, but almost all of the bad Tumblr messages I've ever heard about or seen have been from people too cowardly to writer under their own name, even an internet pseudonym.
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Post by vertigomez on Sept 23, 2017 2:37:16 GMT
Can't say I'm shocked - people take their fictional factions vry srs - but it is horrible. Sometimes you've gotta step away from the fandom and play the game just to remember what you love about it! I can't read confession blogs for any fandom because those blogs, by and large, contain horrible and hateful "confessions" that don't seem to serve much of a purpose. Or at least not one I'm interested in.
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Post by toomanyclouds on Sept 23, 2017 8:13:14 GMT
This is unintentionally hilarious, tbh, mostly because it was over Inquisition. Imagine having so little to do that you need to feast on that weaksauce fuel for hating. I have debated Templars vs. Mages 'till I was blue in the face in DA2, but in Inquisition it's sort of meh anyway since it's more about throwing together an army that can short-term keep reality from collapsing in on itself and both sides are equally suited for that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 9:00:34 GMT
This is unintentionally hilarious, tbh, mostly because it was over Inquisition. Imagine having so little to do that you need to feast on that weaksauce fuel for hating. I have debated Templars vs. Mages 'till I was blue in the face in DA2, but in Inquisition it's sort of meh anyway since it's more about throwing together an army that can short-term keep reality from collapsing in on itself and both sides are equally suited for that. Most of the debates after DAI's release were all-encompassing, only using the new DAI stuff (mainly their being coerced into joining Alexius) in addition to other arguments that people have always used, since DAO. I doubt many people based their decision solely on what their character is presented with in DAI. In any case, I don't know what that person's reasoning is, but you can certainly pick the templars in DAI for RP reasons other than mage hatred. Or you can completely disregard RP if you want just because you like the way the game plays, the mission itself, Calpernia, or how Coryphyus is presented. I happen to like Alexius and that whole mess, so it's not an issue for me. In addition, playing out that mission is a headcanon facet of my Inquisitor/Dorian romance. I've never even finished a templar play, but I plan to... one of these days.
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Post by toomanyclouds on Sept 23, 2017 9:56:04 GMT
This is unintentionally hilarious, tbh, mostly because it was over Inquisition. Imagine having so little to do that you need to feast on that weaksauce fuel for hating. I have debated Templars vs. Mages 'till I was blue in the face in DA2, but in Inquisition it's sort of meh anyway since it's more about throwing together an army that can short-term keep reality from collapsing in on itself and both sides are equally suited for that. Most of the debates after DAI's release were all-encompassing, only using the new DAI stuff (mainly their being coerced into joining Alexius) in addition to other arguments that people have always used, since DAO. I doubt many people based their decision solely on what their character is presented with in DAI. In any case, I don't know what that person's reasoning is, but you can certainly pick the templars in DAI for RP reasons other than mage hatred. Or you can completely disregard RP if you want just because you like the way the game plays, the mission itself, Calpernia, or how Coryphyus is presented. I happen to like Alexius and that whole mess, so it's not an issue for me. In addition, playing out that mission is a headcanon facet of my Inquisitor/Dorian romance. I've never even finished a templar play, but I plan to... one of these days. Well, the person said that the anon message specified it was about choosing the Templars in Inquisition, which just seems pretty - odd. Choosing mages or Templars isn't even about who you support, it's more about what problem you think is more important (other than the other out-of-story options you gave). You could even argue you should go with the faction you don't support because you think them being out of control is more dangerous. It seems more logical to me to pick the mages from the Inquisitor's standpoint because the way it's presented it's basically "a couple of Templars we know are acting a little odd" vs. "the mages have just allied with a dangerous foreign power probably trying to push into our land", but yeah... I would hate to miss out on either Cole or Dorian, but maybe not getting one of them if you don't choose their mission would have made it feel like the whole mages vs. Templars thing made any differences at all in Inquisition. Having finished both a mage and a Templar run, I can safely say I mostly base my decision on which mission to pick on whether I feel like fighting that supremely annoying demon enemy at the end of the Templar mission that day. I remember there was also a choice on whether the mages would be allies or like, under the Templars or whatever? Maybe they meant that. But I don't think there was every any real consequences for that, either. (I also just realised I made it sound like I wanted more Templars vs. mages debates in the game. I really don't. I never thought DA has handled this stuff too well; their attempts to use mages as analogies for real-world problems are mostly broken and the lyrium abuse aspect of the Templar orders sways back and forth between being super important (Cullen) or basically forgotten, and overall I find it to be one of the more frustrating narrative aspects of the series.)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 12:22:42 GMT
toomanyclouds I wasn't really taking about the reasons for the choice in the game, but rather debate surrounding it, because that is what you mentioned: "I have debated Templars vs. Mages 'till I was blue in the face in DA2..." I've seen numerous forum debates about the issue and people always use the same points, whether it's in DAO, DA2, or DAI, with some additions for each succeeding game. Before DA2 came along, people debated with the issues that were presented in DAO. After DA2, people added DA2 issues and the treatment in the Gallows to their arguments to their DAO points. After DAI came along, people added DAI bits to their arguments, along with DAO and DA2 stuff. The general debate is never really about a single game. We can't say too much about that person's thoughts, because we don't know what they were, other than they chose templars over mages in DAI. For all we know, they said they thought time travel was stupid, or that they did it just to piss off Solas or Dorian. Choosing mages or Templars isn't even about who you support, it's more about what problem you think is more important (other than the other out-of-story options you gave). You could even argue you should go with the faction you don't support because you think them being out of control is more dangerous. Well, I can tell you that there are a great many people who do see it that way. If you're looking at it from a meta perspective, since you can ally or conscript the mages, or completely disband the templars, (neither of which you know in advance, obviously) it does lend itself to support/not.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 23, 2017 12:51:03 GMT
Most of the debates after DAI's release were all-encompassing, only using the new DAI stuff (mainly their being coerced into joining Alexius) in addition to other arguments that people have always used, since DAO. I doubt many people based their decision solely on what their character is presented with in DAI.
In any case, I don't know what that person's reasoning is, but you can certainly pick the templars in DAI for RP reasons other than mage hatred. Or you can completely disregard RP if you want just because you like the way the game plays, the mission itself, Calpernia, or how Coryphyus is presented. I happen to like Alexius and that whole mess, so it's not an issue for me. In addition, playing out that mission is a headcanon facet of my Inquisitor/Dorian romance. I've never even finished a templar play, but I plan to... one of these days. Well, the person said that the anon message specified it was about choosing the Templars in Inquisition, which just seems pretty - odd. Choosing mages or Templars isn't even about who you support, it's more about what problem you think is more important (other than the other out-of-story options you gave). You could even argue you should go with the faction you don't support because you think them being out of control is more dangerous. It seems more logical to me to pick the mages from the Inquisitor's standpoint because the way it's presented it's basically "a couple of Templars we know are acting a little odd" vs. "the mages have just allied with a dangerous foreign power probably trying to push into our land", but yeah... I would hate to miss out on either Cole or Dorian, but maybe not getting one of them if you don't choose their mission would have made it feel like the whole mages vs. Templars thing made any differences at all in Inquisition. Having finished both a mage and a Templar run, I can safely say I mostly base my decision on which mission to pick on whether I feel like fighting that supremely annoying demon enemy at the end of the Templar mission that day. I remember there was also a choice on whether the mages would be allies or like, under the Templars or whatever? Maybe they meant that. But I don't think there was every any real consequences for that, either. (I also just realised I made it sound like I wanted more Templars vs. mages debates in the game. I really don't. I never thought DA has handled this stuff too well; their attempts to use mages as analogies for real-world problems are mostly broken and the lyrium abuse aspect of the Templar orders sways back and forth between being super important (Cullen) or basically forgotten, and overall I find it to be one of the more frustrating narrative aspects of the series.)It also can be about, which group the Inquisitor supports: If the Inquisitor gives a chance to the Mages to prove themselves, the people can see, that "Herald of Andraste" behind the Mages, so: Andraste supports the Mages (this is one of the reason to my mages to accept this title – and the morality and fun). But of course rather about the usefulness, but even Cassandra suggests the Mages, and Lord Seeker Asshole seems unacceptable and very refusal: so there's no any reason to chose Templar, if the Inquisitor not fear the mages, as Cullen for example.
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Post by vertigomez on Sept 24, 2017 0:46:27 GMT
Well, the person said that the anon message specified it was about choosing the Templars in Inquisition, which just seems pretty - odd. Choosing mages or Templars isn't even about who you support, it's more about what problem you think is more important (other than the other out-of-story options you gave). You could even argue you should go with the faction you don't support because you think them being out of control is more dangerous. It seems more logical to me to pick the mages from the Inquisitor's standpoint because the way it's presented it's basically "a couple of Templars we know are acting a little odd" vs. "the mages have just allied with a dangerous foreign power probably trying to push into our land", but yeah... I would hate to miss out on either Cole or Dorian, but maybe not getting one of them if you don't choose their mission would have made it feel like the whole mages vs. Templars thing made any differences at all in Inquisition. Having finished both a mage and a Templar run, I can safely say I mostly base my decision on which mission to pick on whether I feel like fighting that supremely annoying demon enemy at the end of the Templar mission that day. I remember there was also a choice on whether the mages would be allies or like, under the Templars or whatever? Maybe they meant that. But I don't think there was every any real consequences for that, either. (I also just realised I made it sound like I wanted more Templars vs. mages debates in the game. I really don't. I never thought DA has handled this stuff too well; their attempts to use mages as analogies for real-world problems are mostly broken and the lyrium abuse aspect of the Templar orders sways back and forth between being super important (Cullen) or basically forgotten, and overall I find it to be one of the more frustrating narrative aspects of the series.)It also can be about, which group the Inquisitor supports: If the Inquisitor gives a chance to the Mages to prove themselves, the people can see, that "Herald of Andraste" behind the Mages, so: Andraste supports the Mages (this is one of the reason to my mages to accept this title – and the morality and fun). But of course rather about the usefulness, but even Cassandra suggests the Mages, and Lord Seeker Asshole seems unacceptable and very refusal: so there's no any reason to chose Templar, if the Inquisitor not fear the mages, as Cullen for example.Disagree on that one. The templars are a perfectly viable option for an Inquisitor who thinks throwing magic at/near the Breach is just going to exacerbate the problem. They don't necessarily have to be afraid of mages. Or if your Inquisitor thinks templar forces would be more regimented and easier to command than rebel mages. You can pretty much justify siding with either faction for several reasons.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 24, 2017 1:15:40 GMT
It also can be about, which group the Inquisitor supports: If the Inquisitor gives a chance to the Mages to prove themselves, the people can see, that "Herald of Andraste" behind the Mages, so: Andraste supports the Mages (this is one of the reason to my mages to accept this title – and the morality and fun). But of course rather about the usefulness, but even Cassandra suggests the Mages, and Lord Seeker Asshole seems unacceptable and very refusal: so there's no any reason to chose Templar, if the Inquisitor not fear the mages, as Cullen for example.Disagree on that one. The templars are a perfectly viable option for an Inquisitor who thinks throwing magic at/near the Breach is just going to exacerbate the problem. They don't necessarily have to be afraid of mages. Or if your Inquisitor thinks templar forces would be more regimented and easier to command than rebel mages. You can pretty much justify siding with either faction for several reasons. Of course, the Templars would be regimented, but their leader is hostile, and the other officer seems to follow that dickhead. I didn't saw any reason for wanting this army in my back... So: they are hostile, but Fiona's not. At the moment, that Seeker, their leader seems untrustable, and he's the leader and even Cassandra suggests the mages. Fiona wants to join. So: we have an untrustworthy and hostile army, and a perhaps unpredictable, but a willing group and a Seeker, who suggest this latter. Not a hard choice. At least for me: so hard to follow Lord Seeker Dickhead, I never was able to force myself to do it: the Inquisitor called on them to join, but they refused. No more question. I really want to disband the Order, but I have this problem. (And as a mage or dalish –the Templar Order one of the reasons to the clans' constant wandering–, the Templars are rather enemies.)
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Post by phantomrachie on Sept 26, 2017 20:51:16 GMT
Read this really great article on Dragon Age lore. linkIt highlights in a way I've never been able to articulate properly why I never understood many people's issues when the games supposedly 'broke lore'. From the very first game we know that different races tell different versions of history and the first version of events you hear is not necessarily the correct version. Other games then expand & develop lore and even sometimes it is possible to discover the truth behind events that had different versions like the events at Red Crossing. In the world of Dragon Age, much like our own, people are generally ill informed about events of the past. The events were lied about, distorted or lost to time & pieced back together. Just because a codex or character says an event happened one way, that doesn't make it a true accounting. Descriptions of other races cultures fall into the same category, a culture explained from one pov will not have been accurately described to you. Sten says as much in DA:O. Dragon Age lore purists are IMO missing one of the key themes of the games, just because you've been told somthing your entire life doesn't make it true, cataclysmic events like the Blight & a religious power with an iron grip over the populous mean that knowledge is easy lost & lied about.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Sept 26, 2017 23:45:47 GMT
Read this really great article on Dragon Age lore. linkIt highlights in a way I've never been able to articulate properly why I never understood many people's issues when the games supposedly 'broke lore'. From the very first game we know that different races tell different versions of history and the first version of events you hear is not necessarily the correct version. Other games then expand & develop lore and even sometimes it is possible to discover the truth behind events that had different versions like the events at Red Crossing. In the world of Dragon Age, much like our own, people are generally ill informed about events of the past. The events were lied about, distorted or lost to time & pieced back together. Just because a codex or character says an event happened one way, that doesn't make it a true accounting. Descriptions of other races cultures fall into the same category, a culture explained from one pov will not have been accurately described to you. Sten says as much in DA:O. Dragon Age lore purists are IMO missing one of the key themes of the games, just because you've been told somthing your entire life doesn't make it true, cataclysmic events like the Blight & a religious power with an iron grip over the populous mean that knowledge is easy lost & lied about. That's all fine, but when you abruptly make one country extremely homophobic in a world where all other nations are largely accepting (admittedly to varying degrees), to facilitate your Very Special Episode featuring the one gay man, I think it's fair to give BioWare the side-eye.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Sept 26, 2017 23:49:56 GMT
Also, I'd be more forgiving of BioWare's big lore twists in Inquisition if they hadn't generally fallen along the line of trying to make Tevinter's invasion and colonisation of Thedas less "bad".
The issue, at least to me, isn't that lore is ambiguous and subject to revision. It's specific to the changes being made and what they mean, both for the game and for BioWare as a developer.
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Post by phantomrachie on Sept 27, 2017 7:11:14 GMT
That's all fine, but when you abruptly make one country extremely homophobic in a world where all other nations are largely accepting (admittedly to varying degrees), to facilitate your Very Special Episode featuring the one gay man, I think it's fair to give BioWare the side-eye. I don't see it that way at all. For other classes in Tevinter being gay doesn't seem to matter, it only matters for Dorian because it is his 'duty' as a mage to breed more mages, that for me is consistent with what we already knew about Tevinter. We already knew the following things about the Altus: - They consider themselves superior to everyone else
- They inter marry to produce stronger Mage children & to prevent 'dreamer' blood from being diluted.
- They have arranged marriages to facilitate the above
- They can greatly about accumulating power (both magical & political)
Given all of this it seems very consistent with Tevinter society that Dorian's family would care deeply that he is not willing to follow family tradition and just marry whoever was politically important. It is particularly consistent when we discover that before he left Tevinter he was being groomed to be Archon. The entire situation comes across to me like if a member of old European aristocracy didn't want to follow through on their arranged marriage and they had access to magic that could change their mind. It doesn't make it less homophobic just consistent with what we know
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