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Post by Lee on Mar 26, 2018 15:30:56 GMT
Being a gay jedi its wonderful. Getting Star wars ish romantic themes in the background, icing in the cake, I do have a Jaal run in the process nickclark89 and Lee Ama Darav . Awesome! I really hope you enjoy the Jaal romance! Jade Empire is quite fun. I was surprised about how well it stands up compared to other games its age. The only downside is the way the gay content is done. (you have to turn down the straight options or you can't romance Skye at all as a male.) That requires special care and/or a guide on how to turn the ladies down quickly/eloquently. Too bad you can't just say "I'm really into you skye" I mean you'd think that would suffice.
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Post by Andrew Mancer on Mar 26, 2018 23:50:37 GMT
I think the biggest draw for me regarding Jade Empire is the fact that Cam Clarke, my celebrity crush and openly gay voice actor, does the voice of Sky. I can't wait to try out his romance despite it not being as well handled as modern games. It also features one of my favorite voice actresses, B.J. Ward, who voiced Velma Dinkley at her finest in the late 90s. I've also always had an interest in Chinese history/culture, so that's another big selling point for me. I'm willing to forgive a lot because of the game's age and it being BioWare's first attempt at gay romance and I am looking forward to finally experiencing it. It's been sitting on my PC for nearly a year now! I'm sure it'll rank higher than Inquisition at the very least. Nothing can be worse than Inquisition.
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Post by Red Fox on Mar 27, 2018 0:03:04 GMT
I never really heard about jade empire. Whats the gameplay like? I looked up the romances and Silk Fox is an assassin? I'm in love lol.
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Post by Lee on Mar 27, 2018 0:05:51 GMT
I never really heard about jade empire. Whats the gameplay like? I looked up the romances and Silk Fox is an assassin? I'm in love lol. I only played it once, but it's martial arts type fighting. It has special attacks and such-it plays like an older Bioware action rpg.
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Post by Red Fox on Mar 27, 2018 0:08:24 GMT
I never really heard about jade empire. Whats the gameplay like? I looked up the romances and Silk Fox is an assassin? I'm in love lol. I only played it once, but it's martial arts type fighting. It has special attacks and such-it plays like an older Bioware action rpg. Hmmm I'm intrigued. I'll add it to the growing list I'll probably never play lol.
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Post by Lee on Mar 27, 2018 0:11:03 GMT
I only played it once, but it's martial arts type fighting. It has special attacks and such-it plays like an older Bioware action rpg. Hmmm I'm intrigued. I'll add it to the growing list I'll probably never play lol. It's a fun -short game, with a good story. I'm surprised it didn't get a sequel, but I guess that happens to a lot of games.
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Mar 27, 2018 8:20:57 GMT
Hmmm I'm intrigued. I'll add it to the growing list I'll probably never play lol. It's a fun -short game, with a good story. I'm surprised it didn't get a sequel, but I guess that happens to a lot of games. I seem to remember that they literally gave it away on Origin a few years ago as one of the "on the house" games. That or it was super-cheap. I got it then, and it was certainly worth my time to play. The John Cleese cameo is hilarious.
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Post by Lee on Mar 27, 2018 10:23:05 GMT
It's a fun -short game, with a good story. I'm surprised it didn't get a sequel, but I guess that happens to a lot of games. I seem to remember that they literally gave it away on Origin a few years ago as one of the "on the house" games. That or it was super-cheap. I got it then, and it was certainly worth my time to play. The John Cleese cameo is hilarious. I got it during the on the house free time too! So yeah that was a thing.
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Post by Vy on Mar 28, 2018 5:45:00 GMT
Only counting Bioware games I've actually finished:
1. Mass Effect 3 I have a laundry list of nitpicks with the story, but it's still definitely the one I enjoy playing the most. I like most of the story, and the combat's arguably the best in the trilogy. It also has my favorite DLC in the trilogy (Leviathan) and my second-favorite romance (MShep/Kaidan), which are big points in its favor.
2. Mass Effect 1 ME1 has the tightest main story in the trilogy, and since I play on PC restoring the MShep/Kaidan romance is one mod away. I also adore the atmosphere, to the point where I'm willing to look past the dated and flawed combat system just to soak it all in. I'd happily support an official rerelease with updated textures and restored content; updating the UI and/or combat system would be icing on the cake.
3. Mass Effect 2 The story wasn't nearly as good as ME1's, and the combat/moment-to-moment gameplay wasn't as refined as ME3's, so it's in an awkward middle area. It also introduced some rule-of-cool trends that I didn't like much at all, and while I liked most of the squadmates I maintain that 12 is just way too many to actually spend a lot of time with everyone; eight or so seems like a much better number to me. The game's good amount of mission variety was a big plus; the Loyalty Missions and the Suicide Mission are definitely the best parts of the game, and IMO it's a shame that they weren't able to replicate the Suicide Mission formula for ME3's finale.
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When I eventually finish DAO and MEA, I'm anticipating ranking DAO slightly higher than or on par with ME2, with MEA coming in last place behind ME2.
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Post by c_cat on Mar 29, 2018 6:17:14 GMT
1. DA2 I can certainly see the flaws but it is still one of my favorite gaming experiences ever. 2. ME Love this game. I even like the combat, the level up system and the inventory. And every time I replay I get that same sense of wonder. 3. DAO The origins and the variety in skills and roleplaying are things that stand out. 4. ME3 I absolutely love the combat in this one. I finished my last playthrough monday and spent last weekend having fun in The Armax Arsenal Arena with different squad combinations. 5. DAI It's beautiful. I could complain about it for hours, especially the horrible keyboard and mouse controls and the less fun combat, level up and roleplay but despite the fact that the controls actually makes playing painful for me I've played over 1400 hours. 6. ME2 Brilliant end but getting there is more tedious every time. 7. Jade Empire It feels dated but still fun. 8. MEA I managed to finish it so it's in my list but... I can't really think of something positive to say. I guess because I found it utterly boring the flaws and weird design choices stand out more. And the jumping puzzles.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 12:01:49 GMT
Fucking fun!!!!
Here’s my list. Descriptions to follow later when I’ve got time to do it justice:
1) KOTOR 2) DA: O 3) ME3 4) ME 5) DA: I 6) SWTOR 7) JE 8) ME:A 9) DA2 10) ME2
ETA: Shit! I forgot Baldur’s Gate! I’d put part 1 between DAI and swtor. And part 2 between DA2 and ME2.
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Post by Scottphoto on Mar 29, 2018 14:30:10 GMT
Fucking fun!!!! Here’s my list. Descriptions to follow later when I’ve got time to do it justice: 1) KOTOR 2) DA: O 3) ME3 4) ME 5) DA: I 6) SWTOR 7) JE 8) ME:A 9) DA2 10) ME2 ETA: Shit! I forgot Baldur’s Gate! I’d put part 1 between DAI and swtor. And part 2 between DA2 and ME2. Daveliam!!! So great to see you! Wow you definitely played the most out of all of us I think lol.
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Post by Red Fox on Mar 29, 2018 23:37:46 GMT
Has anyone at least played all of them? I think I'm missing DA2, JE and TOR
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 23:42:57 GMT
Has anyone at least played all of them? I think I'm missing DA2, JE and TOR I finished 12 of them and played (but never finished NWN. So I’m really close. Just that damned Sonic RPG stopping me from saying I’ve played them all. Does that game even count, lol?
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Post by Red Fox on Mar 30, 2018 0:43:16 GMT
Has anyone at least played all of them? I think I'm missing DA2, JE and TOR I finished 12 of them and played (but never finished NWN. So I’m really close. Just that damned Sonic RPG stopping me from saying I’ve played them all. Does that game even count, lol? Biowares name is on it so yes lol.
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Post by Lee on Mar 30, 2018 2:28:23 GMT
I don't think I can play the older ones-and I would only play the Star Wars game if it was redone as single player-and the older single player star wars games have no gay. so yeah...I guess that's it for me for now. But I'm looking forward to also not playing Anthem-unless they bring something amazing to it (which seems super unlikely).
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Post by Red Fox on Mar 30, 2018 2:33:49 GMT
I don't think I can play the older ones-and I would only play the Star Wars game if it was redone as single player-and the older single player star wars games have no gay. so yeah...I guess that's it for me for now. But I'm looking forward to also not playing Anthem-unless they bring something amazing to it (which seems super unlikely). As it stands Anthem is firmly in the boycott due to microtransactions in full priced single player games act. Also if we are talking old school single player star wars games jedi outcast was the shit. I know its not bioware but I loved that game.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2018 6:28:14 GMT
I wish they'd make a KOTOR remake with Canderous as a gay romance option. I always wanted him. He was a great guy and very loyal to the main character. And I found him far more interesting than Carth anyway. A single player SWTOR with all class stories (plus kotfe and kotet) would be great too. Hopefully we'll get something like that one day. Although I doubt it. But well, one can always dream.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2018 13:27:20 GMT
Okay, so here's my rationale for my rankings (spoilered for length): 1.) KOTOR - As someone of a certain age, Star Wars was an absolutely critical component of my formative years. What I loved about KOTOR was that it really allowed me to role play with complex options in this setting. The story was FANTASTIC (introducing the Old Republic, expanding the Jedi lore, and THAT TWIST!). The characters were FANTASTIC (I loved to hate or hated to love almost all of them). Yeah, it wasn't perfect. The combat was clunky and the romances were weak if you weren't into "standard". Although Dark-Sided Bastila and Juhani were nice additions. It does have the distinction of being the first Bioware game with a S/S romance, so that's also pretty cool, even if it was more of a "fling" and lesbian only.
2.) DA: O - I remember how hyped I was about this game when I first read about it in GameInformer magazine (paper version, just to set the timeline here, LOL). It totally lived up to the hype. It brought back strategic combat and a "D&D" style adventure. The lore was immersive. The characters were (mostly) amazing. The Origins mechanic led to me losing HOURS and HOURS of my life as I played each one through with different characters to see which I liked best (standouts for me were my gay KISA dwarf noble and my butch lesbian city elf). Of course, the game also had some flaws. The Fade and the Deep Roads were slogs. Zevran was infuriating to me and still holds up as my least favorite m/m option of all time. Super problematic. But in general, this game holds up for sure!
3.) ME3 - I know, I know. It's controversial. But, frankly, I thought that this game was the best of the original trilogy. The combat mechanics had been tweaked. The story was emotional and overwhelming. After spending so many hours with Shepard (my Shepard since I only ever used custom ones), I felt his pain. He worked so hard and sacrificed so much and the galaxy was still decimated and it felt hopeless most of the time. Again, not perfect. The ending was definitely not great, as we all know. And they had created so many characters in ME2 that most of them just got sidelined which was a bummer. But the introduction of Steve, our first major GAY MALE character was monumental, even if he was a little boring and suffering from Carth Syndrome. And I can't even begin to discuss how satisfying the m/m Kaidan romance was. After waiting for SO LONG to get him, it was well worth it. Kaidan is by far my favorite m/m option and that makes this game hold a special spot for me (That "steak and beer" date night? Ugh. So good!).
4.) ME - Frankly, I thought that ME had the tightest story of the entire franchise. It offered really tough choices (not the DA: O "Help the elves or kill the elves" type of "choice") like the Rachni Queen. Ultimately, those choices didn't hold up across the series, but in the moment, they were really grey and I had many times where I just sat with the choice on the screen because I really couldn't decide which choice was best (except for the Kaidan/Ashley one -- that was easy even before I knew I could bag Kaidan, lol). Plus, that first crew was the best. It had a very "Firefly" vibe that I loved. Just a stellar game.
5.) DA: I - Yes, it was a little too 'fetch quest'-y. I know that. There were definitely areas that were slogs. On my most recent playthrough, I basically did a speed run of the Hissing Wastes because I just wanted to be done. But that aside, it's a really solid game. The return of strategic gameplay. Some top notch companions (Vivienne and Dorian remain some of my top companions in any Bioware game, plus Solas who is frustratingly deep and nuanced). I also liked that my choices from DA: O actually made a bit of a difference here. I mean, Alistair can be anything from the King of Ferelden to a dead Grey Warden in the Fade at the end, which is really nice. I also really liked the introduction of the Keep so that I could try out some new variations to see how they play out without having to replay DA2.
6.) BG - I will admit that I played Baldur's Gate WAY before I even realized that Bioware was a "thing". I played this back in the late 90's on my very first desktop and lost myself in the world that they had created. Expansive "open world" approach. A shit ton of companion, each of which was sufficiently fleshed out. Your choices really affected your party. Companions would turn on you if you betrayed them. Some would refuse to work together. It was dynamic and immersive. It was also before there really were as many online resources, so I remember having this gamefaqs playthrough guide that was MASSIVE bookmarked to help me figure out the story. So, partly for being the OG Bioware game and partly for being so important to my gaming history, this game HAS to be in my top half!
7.) SWTOR - Okay, to be honest, this game should be alot higher. It's the spiritual successor to KOTOR (my fav game), but with better graphics, the option to play as a non-human (I have about a dozen characters and not one is a human), and SAME SEX male romance in a Star Wars game. In theory, this should be my number one game. But a few things push it down the list. First, I hate that it's PC only. I'm a console gamer, so I don't have a gaming PC, which makes it difficult to play (I literally play on my laptop with reduced graphic settings so it doesn't crash). Second, I HATE MMO's. Thankfully, the single player experience is still legit. But too much content is locked behind co-op mechanics. Finally, the s/s romances came WAY too late and are locked behind level 50 content. Yeah, sure, I can start a new character and use a token to level them right to 50 to start that content, but then I miss getting to have that character do everything ELSE. That stinks. Theron and Koth remain the only m/m romance options that I haven't played because I just simply haven't been able to get to them. (Actually, writing this makes me want to start a level 55 character just to do the expansion and romance Theron....maybe I'll do that soon.....)
8.) JE - I didn't play JE when it first came out. It wasn't until I played ME and realized that KOTOR, ME, and BG were all from the same studio that I went back to research other games from them and found JE. So, to be fair, it was already a little outdated (graphics and gameplay) by the time I got to it. What I really enjoyed about it, though, was a totally unique setting. Yeah, both ME and DA are original franchises. But ME is pretty standard sci-fi and DA is pretty standard high fantasy. JE was DIFFERENT and I loved that. I thought it was so cool to have an Asian-influenced setting. The combat was really not great. But, again, the characters were top notch. And it gets the special distinction of introducing Sky. Not only is he super adorable. But he's also both the first m/m romance ever AND the first LGBT male companion. True, his romance was watered down (the cut-away before the kiss; the "Dude, why aren't you into those hot girls....Oh, you are into me? Are you sure? Okay, let me think about this and come back to confirm one more time before we have a chaste kiss...." thing). But considering that I had NEVER been able to romance a guy (I played this before DA:O), it will always have a special place in my heart. It's currently on my phone just waiting for me to start a playthrough up.
9.) ME:A - Okay, had I made this list a week ago, ME:A would be lower. But I'm currently replaying it and it's actually better than I remembered. It's less "fetch quest"-y than DA: I. And the MP component is totally optional (unlike in ME3 where it affects SP). We all know how this game almost broke me as a Bioware fan. The way that m/m options were totally fucked over because of EA's gay panic is totally unexcusable. Reyes is a side character. He shouldn't even count as a romance. And Gil, while adorkable and attractive, has a terribly problematic side quest. Plus, he's the least fleshed out of all of the crew members. Coincidence? I know that they added Jaal "back" into the rotation for us. But I will never be able to see that as anything but crumbs thrown to us to shut us up. The game released (and was intended to release given the Prima guide which went to print months before release) with Jaal being straight. I just can't forgive the major backsteps that they took. They lost my trust and broke me a little bit as a gaymer and Bioware stan. And I haven't healed from that still (and might not ever). SIDENOTE: I'm playing again right now with the intention to romance Jaal. And.....it's just not working for me. Maybe once it starts in earnest, I'll change my mind. But right now (having gotten past the "friend" and into the "flirt" options), it's slow and boring. And he remains my least favorite looking m/m option. And I guess I'm shallow because I'm having a hard time staying loyal to Jaal when sexy ass Gil and Reyes are throwing their undies at me with every dialogue.
10.) BG2 - I rethought where this should go and moved it up a spot. It was pretty uninspiring, to be honest. I only ever did one full playthrough and I can't even remember most of the story. It took all of the amazing parts of BG and either copy/pasted them directly into this game OR reduced them (there were far less companions but they didn't seem any more fleshed out or memorable than the first set. Plus, since it's a continuation, they tried to fit all of the OG companions in as well but just mostly killed them off (Justice for Dynaheir! How could they do that to her!?!). This game introduced the romance option, so that's cool. But did all of the nonsense that we have come to hate. No s/s options. Way more choices for straight males than anyone else (there's only one option for straight ladies and he's a twat). But, you can have a kid with Aerie and then she carries it around in her inventory like an item, so bonus points for the lulz?
11.) DA2 - This game was.....not good. It was super rushed and felt that way. The only reason it's not dead last is because some of the companions are pretty damned good. Meredith is a pretty great villain. So that's good. And I liked the rivalry/friendship system, since it added some cool replayability (Rivalmance Fenris is pretty hot). The combat sucked. There was no strategic combat at all, just action. And the game felt TINY. Hawke's adventures really paled in comparison to the Warden and the Inquisitor. Although sarcastic male Hawke is pure joy, so at least I liked that, even if I was FORCED to be a human, which I totally resent to this day. The companions were polarizing. Either really great (like Isabela, Varric, Aveline) or super annoying (like Merril, Sebastian, and Anders). I know most people hate Carver, but that storyline is one of my favorites in all of Bioware history. Templar Carver is canon and always will be in my opinion. God I love to hate that guy! But, overall, pretty meh.
12.) ME2 - The worst of the worst for me. Not because it's a bad game, per se. But it, to me, signifies the moment when Bioware changed and was absorbed into the EA Collective. It switched from an Action RPG to a 3rd person shooter with RPG elements. The expanded cast was trash. Most of them were so insignificant that they were totally sidelined with no consequences in the sequel. The romances were WAY over the top (Playing a gay Shep is like walking through a panty-filled landmine field -- any wrong step will lead to vaginas, vaginas everwhere!). Of course there were no gay options, because this is when Bioware started catering heavily to the straight male/shooter audience (who would eventually abandon them leaving them flailing) over the loyal RPG and LGBT audience (who got left behind and now have nothing). Trash. Just trash and if I never have to play it again, I'd be totally fine with that. And it totally chaps my ass that it's consistently rated the "best" Bioware game in any countdown. Ugh. If it weren't for Samara, this game would have ZERO positives for me.
So....there you have it. My rankings with my rationale. Bonus points for anyone who read that novel. LOL. I owe you a cookie!
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Post by Red Fox on Mar 30, 2018 14:23:08 GMT
I wish they'd make a KOTOR remake with Canderous as a gay romance option. I always wanted him. He was a great guy and very loyal to the main character. And I found him far more interesting than Carth anyway. A single player SWTOR with all class stories (plus kotfe and kotet) would be great too. Hopefully we'll get something like that one day. Although I doubt it. But well, one can always dream. I wouldn't trust a KOTOR remake made by current bioware as far as I could throw the whole studio. You know HK-47 would be a DLC character.
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