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Post by mediocreogre on Feb 22, 2019 15:12:49 GMT
So I think in summary its damned if you do and damned if you don't. Also yea I'm about as huge a mass effect fan as anyone but I guess I'm willing to have bioware try something new. It's just unfortunate how we got here. It is. there is definitely an argument to be made that even if Anthem had no bugs it would have been panned by bro-y critics, because BioWare has a target on its head by a vocal segment of gross video game neck beards who are pissed BioWare does not churn out games that cater to their ideology. Mass Effect Andromeda was really not a perfect game and deserved low scores, but the vitriol it received was gross bro culture hysteria and it definitely killed any hope Andromeda had of being seen as anything other than a meme and subject for YouTube Rangers to get paid. I shudder to to think what would have happened with Inquisition if it had been released now. That game was/is a buggy mess. Doubt it would have been as bombarded with negativity, but it definitely would not have been the darling child it was received as back in 2014. |
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Feb 22, 2019 21:52:29 GMT
It's a domino effect, I think. BioWare WAS golden - KOTOR, Mass Effect, and Dragon Age were highly praised as inventive, innovative, engaging and entertaining. Even Jade Empire, the oft-forgotten game sandwiched between KOTOR and Mass Effect, got praise enough, even if part of its success was because of a brief martial arts boom that collapsed shortly thereafter. And that success caught EA's eye, and, for all the reasons EA is despised, they provided something very important - the money to make the ideas that BioWare had for forthcoming games reality.
EA's business style, though, has always been focused first and foremost on the bottom line - get this and earn that. BioWare got that with Mass Effect 2. But then the cracks started - DA2 was rushed out the door (sixteen month development cycle! Obsidian had just a little under that to produce KOTOR 2, which was a bugged mess without a proper ending). Mass Effect 3 had the ending controversy. Inquisition was imperfect - there was plenty of critical attention brought down, though still clearly offset enough to earn the Game of the Year award. And then Andromeda's release, and now Anthem...
It's not just the audience souring on the things they've gotten from BioWare over the last few development cycles. It's the fact that EA's classic mismanagement of the studios under its umbrella is wearing out the tires on the car that is BioWare. And EA's management style has always been to let the car crash and just replace it (re: break up the studio, toss the IPs to others or can the whole thing, and buy another one), rather than try to address the problem that the car itself is having.
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Post by mediocreogre on Feb 23, 2019 1:50:44 GMT
Definitely EA is not a pure positive for BioWare.
I am 100% sure EA is not great to deal with and I am 100% sure their influence on BW has been negative, but there is the elephant in the room that BW had serious issues for a while.
Buuuut the truth is BW was in trouble from the get go. Baldur’s Gate era their publishers were also terrible. Interplay, their publisher then went bankrupt even though BG2 sold well, and BW lost rights to D&D after NWN (which was not successful, unlike NWN2, which was not BW). That’s why they went on to Star Wars.... which they also lost rights to (SWTOR is a special case). Basically by the mid 2000s BW was drowning, even after the success of Kotor and Jade Empre. EA basically bought one of BW’s publishers and thus got BW at the exact time ME1 was slated to release. Some people claim ME1 would not have been released had not EA bought BW that year... because things were that bad. There is even evidence to suggesT that ME1 would not have happened without EA because EA was kind of propping up BW’s partner Pandemic and a holding group that was funding them.... because EA bought the partner before ME1 was released in 2007 not really BW leading to BW’ being a unit of EA with their own branding unlike other studios EA bought the branding rights of. Then everything became as it is now and BW was merged with another EA studio and then Sonic came out (a game in development before EA arrived).
Really... this is the cold hard truth of the video game industry and it is that the “golden age of RPGs” was also a time of pretty terrible business decisions that set the stage for companies to have to rely on big publishers like EA. Bethesda has a similarly frought history.
But unfortunately, without EA, BW might have ended with at most... Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood
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Post by Lee on Feb 23, 2019 3:13:00 GMT
BioWare's problem has always been its own making. EA is a great scapegoat in theory, but even ex BioWare peeps will tell you at the end of the day it's their choices that make the games the way they are. EA is a bad company, but they also provide a way for companies to make games that I often love-so I am not as much of a hater of the company as I used to be. My thing is that I hope if BioWare does survive this negativity that they find a way to make games again that aren't trend-chasing clones of other people's IP's. I'd love for them to go back to making none-open world RPG's with story driven content and romances with great content and quality for all players. However, that doesn't seem very likely at this point.  |
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Post by Rouccoco on Feb 23, 2019 4:12:16 GMT
Didn't one of the founders once say "EA gives you enough rope to hang yourself?" I think the last BW game EA rushed was either DA2 or ME3 (but the ending seems like it was kinda on Hudson). BW does, what they want to do. They said multiple times they were not forced to use Frostbite, but liked how their art was translating into 3D in it so much they decided to invest the required work. The old ME team seemed to really want to do a new game rather than another ME. The Montreal team would have probably struggled with any AAA project they received. You can't just create a full AAA studio overnight.
I wonder though, if Anthem is really that bad. With the PC metacritic at 60 right now, it's the lowest score for a full game they've ever received.
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Post by * on Feb 23, 2019 5:18:19 GMT
Didn't one of the founders once say "EA gives you enough rope to hang yourself?" I think the last BW game EA rushed was either DA2 or ME3 (but the ending seems like it was kinda on Hudson). BW does, what they want to do. They said multiple times they were not forced to use Frostbite, but liked how their art was translating into 3D in it so much they decided to invest the required work. The old ME team seemed to really want to do a new game rather than another ME. The Montreal team would have probably struggled with any AAA project they received. You can't just create a full AAA studio overnight. I wonder though, if Anthem is really that bad. With the PC metacritic at 60 right now, it's the lowest score for a full game they've ever received. The gameplay I think is brilliant and is easily the best bioware has ever done. It is just really buggy right now. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 6:08:37 GMT
Didn't one of the founders once say "EA gives you enough rope to hang yourself?" I think the last BW game EA rushed was either DA2 or ME3 (but the ending seems like it was kinda on Hudson). BW does, what they want to do. They said multiple times they were not forced to use Frostbite, but liked how their art was translating into 3D in it so much they decided to invest the required work. The old ME team seemed to really want to do a new game rather than another ME. The Montreal team would have probably struggled with any AAA project they received. You can't just create a full AAA studio overnight. I wonder though, if Anthem is really that bad. With the PC metacritic at 60 right now, it's the lowest score for a full game they've ever received. The gameplay I think is brilliant and is easily the best bioware has ever done. It is just really buggy right now. Agree with this. I'll also add that the mo-cap/animations for the characters and some of the story cinematics I've seen so far in Anthem are the best Bioware has produced imo. Like I seriously hope DA4 has mocap this good haha. Really enjoying getting to know all the characters. Aside from bugs, you can see a rough gem at the center. I kinda hate metacritic tbh lol and I feel like ever since early access went live on the 15th, all those clickbait youtubers piled on Anthem hardcore and it didnt rly get a fair chance before everyone who lets people like yongyea make up their minds for them, decided it was total trash. |
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Post by Lee on Feb 23, 2019 6:09:33 GMT
 Mass Effect Andromeda thread.
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Post by izut on Mar 2, 2019 20:03:35 GMT
No idea if it's legit though.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Mar 2, 2019 20:22:50 GMT
gay or never happened.
I cant bring myself spending money on something I already own and with mod having the full experience.
Also, they should offer a happy ending for those who want it. I didnt break my mind trying to make peace between the geth and the quarians to kill in the end EDI and the geth because of some edgy narrative, this is a game if I want that kind of stuff I have the news and twitter.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 22:07:07 GMT
No idea if it's legit though. Uhh do they mean original Trilogy remaster? ooor...? a new tril? |
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Post by Rouccoco on Mar 2, 2019 22:17:55 GMT
Uhh do they mean original Trilogy remaster? ooor...? a new tril? Someone asked and he didn't answer, but he did reply yes to the 5 questions about it coming to switch, so I'm guessing remaster. But there's also a rumour frostbite is coming to the switch, so... |
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Mar 2, 2019 22:59:09 GMT
The only way I'd buy it would be if Kaidan is a male Shepard romance option from day one. The character is canonically bisexual, and the mods have shown that it's almost completely ready to go (maybe a few lines need to be recorded, but Raphael Sbarge and Mark Meer are probably totally down for like coming in to the studio for like a day player's wage to get those few additional lines - MAYBE they'd need to include something for like a Kaidan-Liara conflict and bring Ali Hillis back in as well, but otherwise, they have almost everything already ready to go). Unless that's a guaranteed promise, not a flex goal or a "we'll see  " BS tease that, particularly after all the doubletalk for Andromeda's gay romances, won't fly, I'm not interested. I mean, ideally they'd just rerecord all the romances (except Steve and Sam) to be bi, particularly the aliens and the already canonically established bisexual Jack, but I'm practical in my expectations. Those are expensive, creating new animations, recording lines that weren't there before, bringing about half a dozen actors back into the studio, in a few cases just to record a few lines of dialogue with genders in them... Realistically, that's a lot to spend on a rerelease of a game. But if gay players can't be able to carry a romance through the whole series? I don't care. |
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Post by * on Mar 3, 2019 2:11:11 GMT
Mmmmmmm I don't know how I feel about this. It all depends on how much they fix the combat in 1.
On second thought I don't think I'd get a remaster, I'm kinda done with Bioware games.
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Post by Lee on Mar 3, 2019 3:32:59 GMT
Like others said, no bi kaidan from the start-then no deal. Fuck off with that hetro only bullshit already!
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Post by farferello on Mar 10, 2019 21:39:32 GMT
Generally the only way I enjoy the combat in 1 is with heavy abuse of the command console to give me sexy gear, but if it was a good remaster that fixed the combat I'd be interested - but again, only if they make Kaidan bisexual from the start. No way would I be interested in a remaster if I had to go through all of that again. So many awkward looks and leers at Asari and lingering touches... ugh, no thank you. |
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Post by Scottphoto on Mar 12, 2019 20:53:10 GMT
Im torn cuz I agree with you all, but im also down to see Kaidan look hotter with bigger graphics.  Im trash. |
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Post by * on Mar 12, 2019 21:09:42 GMT
Im torn cuz I agree with you all, but im also down to see Kaidan look hotter with bigger graphics. Im trash. Nah nothing wrong with that man. I'm just severely pissed off at Bioware right now. Like no matter what I say I'll get the remaster because of them hips Tali. Also Tali's gangsta rap is still one of the greatest things I've heard. |
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Post by lilyena on Mar 26, 2019 22:12:21 GMT
Who has logged way too many hours on this game and just now realized there is a radio in the Pathfinder's room on the Tempest?  I have absolutely no idea how I've missed this... |
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Post by Lee on Mar 27, 2019 4:00:20 GMT
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" BS tease that, particularly after all the doubletalk for Andromeda's gay romances, won't fly, I'm not interested.
Im trash.
