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Post by Red Fox on Oct 23, 2017 3:11:56 GMT
Loved this weeks episode. Damn good character development for Michael.
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Post by Sir Drell on Oct 23, 2017 11:55:08 GMT
Did anyone else notice that the elders of Cancri IV looked kinda like Salarians? That's pretty cool. |
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Oct 23, 2017 13:47:54 GMT
Loved this weeks episode. Damn good character development for Michael. Also Lorca and to a lesser degree Tilly. I'm enjoying this show more and more. (Except the bit where the replicator spouts crap about the nutritional content of the meals. Antioxidants being a health benefit is a long-disproven hypothesis perpetuated by people who want to sell you their product.) |
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Post by Red Fox on Oct 23, 2017 14:07:09 GMT
Also I knew the Klingons were going to kill/capture the crew. How no one else did is beyond me haha. |
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Oct 23, 2017 17:10:57 GMT
Also I knew the Klingons were going to kill/capture the crew. How no one else did is beyond me haha. Well, there's always Klingon honor to consider, which I'm sure has many people crying fowl about Discovery's portrayal of the Klingons. AGAIN. To which, I counter with the words of Worf on the floating definition of "honor" when it comes to Klingons: "In war, there is nothing more honorable than victory." Also, for the record, I think the biggest issue I have with Discovery's Klingons is that they're bald. Like, it's been a standard of Klingons for over thirty years that they have these long, luxurious manes. I feel like bringing that back would make them look more like the Klingons we know. And, because I can't let a good pun go to waste...  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 21:41:36 GMT
^ That is AMAZING!
Also, we see in both TNG and DS9 that Klingon honor is pretty fluid. Worf himself has a somewhat idealized and romantic view of it all, perhaps because he wasn't fully raised as a Klingon. He is asked to bury the truth of his father's death "for the good of the empire." If the Klingons were truly as honorable a race as Worf feels them to be, or as he portrays himself, the truth would have prevailed and the consequences would be as they should be.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 21:58:28 GMT
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Oct 24, 2017 1:32:06 GMT
Also Lorca and to a lesser degree Tilly. I'm enjoying this show more and more. (Except the bit where the replicator spouts crap about the nutritional content of the meals. Antioxidants being a health benefit is a long-disproven hypothesis perpetuated by people who want to sell you their product.) Wait, WHAT???? When did this happen??? You mean I'm drinking all this green tea for nothing???? Depends. Have you been drinking it with extra green like Cadet Tilly?  |
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Post by Red Fox on Oct 24, 2017 1:33:13 GMT
I love my boiled leaf water lol.
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Oct 24, 2017 2:30:54 GMT
And not directly related, but there is a character discussion-point I wanted to chime in on: People are saying that much of the story focuses on just one character. While it's true that historically, the Captains of the shows have had the most spotlight-time (and I believe Discovery's MC is the XO?), from description it sounds like it's a bit more lopsided this time. From everything I've read, it seems as if it's currently the Michael Burnham show, with everyone else acting as secondary characters. I'd liken it more to TOS than anything else, which was essentially the Kirk, Spock, (and sometimes) McCoy show, and everyone else was a secondary character. I love TOS, and the relationship between those guys, but I prefer the ensemble style of the later shows. This changed dramatically in TNG and DS9 (I haven't seen hardly any of Voyager and Enterprise) when the show turned into a true ensemble. There were entire episodes that focused on a single character where other characters (including the captain) were virtually ignored, or shown to just be going about their duty. All of the primary characters got multiple episodes that featured them, and all of those actors had their time to shine. Heck, there were several episodes of DS9 that Avery Brooks (Capt. Sisko) was hardly in because he directed them. I just don't see that happening with Discovery because it's all about Michael Burnham. Hmm. Well I hope it shifts a bit to let the other characters become significant and fleshed-out, even if it still insists on having a main protagonist. I saw someone complain about how Stamets is a pretentious standoffish jerk, that him being "Problematic but Lovable" is a bad stereotypical trope to fall in to for a marginalized character. Personally, I disagree - his worst 'standoffishness' has revolved around Michael, who much if not all of Starfleet blame as the one who started the war with the Klingons, because with her conviction for mutiny, she is effectively the face of the war.Wait, Micheal is a woman? I originally thought that's who everyone was talking about, the one featured the most in the trailer etc., then the name threw me off. Huh. That's interesting, to happen so soon, especially after seemingly divisive response so far (that I've seen, it might just be a vocal minority, I have no idea). Still, I think it's probably good. TNG Grew The Beard in season 2 after all, and that's pretty common for shows - for the first season to be mediocre, then they find their footing. I hope that's what happens, even just because I want it to succeed on the off-chance that they'll make another non-prequel series. |
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Post by Red Fox on Oct 24, 2017 2:57:49 GMT
Yea Michael is a woman, long story on her name. I'm personally loving it but I'm a star trek noob so maybe I don't know better  . |
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Oct 24, 2017 4:57:52 GMT
Not that long a story - Bryan Fuller, the original showrunner, has a tendency towards using non-gender conforming names for his characters. That's really the extent of it, they haven't said if there's some greater meaning to her name. Though I'll admit, up until the show began to air, I wasn't sure if her name was pronounced "Michael" or "Michelle," like the French version of the name is.
Anyway, yeah, I've seen some rocky reviews from a handful of people, but EVERY Star Trek has taken a while to find its identity. The only one that didn't was TOS, and I honestly think that it was due to the sixties style of television production, where the main characters were not actually growing and developing, it was always meant to be the guest cast who did that. But TNG didn't find its stride until the third season, I'd argue that DS9 didn't quite find itself until Worf showed up and they did a soft reboot of the show (Way of the Warrior acting almost as a new pilot for the new status quo), and Voyager with Seven of Nine is a very different beast from Voyager with Kes. (Both DS9 and Voyager had fairly solid third seasons, IMO, but those were sort of 'smoothing out' seasons, where the writers honed what worked and dropped what didn't). Enterprise's problem was that the writing staff, and by extension, the viewers, were worn out in the first two seasons (I'd argue that Enterprise's second season nearly killed the show), and it was just finding its feet when UPN decided to just cut its losses and end the show.
So a season or two of (you'll pardon the pun) discovery of what they're doing, what they want to be about, what they're focusing on is almost standard for a Star Trek series. Discovery's only six episodes in, this is still infancy for the show's run.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 5:35:56 GMT
That's interesting, to happen so soon, especially after seemingly divisive response so far (that I've seen, it might just be a vocal minority, I have no idea). Well, I think it's difficult to gauge the popularity with CBS All-Access since it's required to view the show in the US. One of the reasons they're renewing it is because of the surge in subscriptions due to the show. But they can't know that the show would perform well (or not) if the audience didn't have that requirement. It would be interesting to see what the ratings are outside the US. |
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Post by phantomrachie on Oct 24, 2017 6:20:12 GMT
Also, for the record, I think the biggest issue I have with Discovery's Klingons is that they're bald. Like, it's been a standard of Klingons for over thirty years that they have these long, luxurious manes. I feel like bringing that back would make them look more like the Klingons we know This is my major issue with them as well. When I saw the promos I thought the bald Klingons would be the exception but they are all bald and none of them have beards. And it doesn't look like it is a case of all Klingons shave their head for some reason, cos their ridges go all the way up their scalp now, so it just looks like their entire race is bald. What the hell Discovery! |
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Oct 24, 2017 8:02:20 GMT
Also Lorca and to a lesser degree Tilly. I'm enjoying this show more and more. (Except the bit where the replicator spouts crap about the nutritional content of the meals. Antioxidants being a health benefit is a long-disproven hypothesis perpetuated by people who want to sell you their product.) Wait, WHAT???? When did this happen??? You mean I'm drinking all this green tea for nothing???? Ha! It happened a while ago as studies showed that the body is an effective self-regulating system and giving it extra antioxidants is pretty much pointless. There are some vitamins which have antioxidant properties that we need from our diet, but we only need a certain amount, and certainly popping supplement pills is pointless if you eat your fruit and vegetables. This doesn't mean that green tea is bad for you or that you shouldn't drink it if you like it, though. It's just that the health benefits are overstated in terms of antioxidants, and I was a bit irked that a science fiction show would perpetuate the hype. |
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Oct 24, 2017 8:15:27 GMT
Also, for the record, I think the biggest issue I have with Discovery's Klingons is that they're bald. Like, it's been a standard of Klingons for over thirty years that they have these long, luxurious manes. I feel like bringing that back would make them look more like the Klingons we know This is my major issue with them as well. When I saw the promos I thought the bald Klingons would be the exception but they are all bald and none of them have beards. And it doesn't look like it is a case of all Klingons shave their head for some reason, cos their ridges go all the way up their scalp now, so it just looks like their entire race is bald. What the hell Discovery! Ac tu all y What ann oys me more is that they in sist on pro nounce ing each sy lla ble se per ate ly. Their speech sounds so disjointed. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 8:45:01 GMT
Ac tu all y What ann oys me more is that they in sist on pro nounce ing each sy lla ble se per ate ly. Their speech sounds so disjointed. I don't think this would be so bad if the subtitles weren't in 3-4 word bites, rather than actual sentences, like normal subtitles. Well, they were this way in the first ep, dunno about now. |
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Oct 24, 2017 17:39:22 GMT
It may have something to do with how the actors learned the Klingonese they're using. Like they may have learned it syllable by syllable, and that's the best they could manage? I don't know, I just think this has probably been the most sustained Klingonese we've gotten since Kruge and Valkris's conversation in Star Trek III. Since then, we've gotten scattered words and phrases, but not extended conversations.
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Post by Red Fox on Oct 24, 2017 20:53:33 GMT
I kinda like how they talk. It feels more alien ya know?
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Oct 24, 2017 22:52:15 GMT
I kinda like how they talk. It feels more alien ya know? Yeah. Alien to how any language would realistically be spoken.  |
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Much love right back at ya!
