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Post by Lee on May 23, 2017 22:14:31 GMT
the player-sexual team the all bisexual team FTFY Well... I know this can annoy or offend some people but I don't mind when romance characters don't have a specified sexuality and that their interest in the player takes the spot light. Sure you have characters with past love interests or interests in other teammates/characters that make preferences known... But it doesn't matter to me. I mean as long as real people get the same level of content that is what I care about. I do like seeing LBGT characters in the story and lore of course. This probably comes from my pansexuality. Sorry if I offended people with that language. I agree completely actually. What matters to me as a player is having excellent romance content. They can label themselves (or not) however they see fit. As long as the male character can make me feel like I'm the only one they will ever love. -swoons- |
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Post by blastoandbubin on May 23, 2017 22:14:34 GMT
My faves - DAO: Morrigan (if she were romanceable by a woman  ) DA2: Isabela. The one and only. DAI: Iron Bull. Honestly, none of the romances in DAI actually appealed to me that much except Cassandra; the f/f options just weren't my thing and even Dorian and Cullen weren't that intriguing to me, romance-wise. Iron Bull was my last resort but luckily I ended up loving him. Mass Effect: Liara and Garrus. I'd have romanced Ashley or Miranda in a heartbeat but alas. I still love Liara because even though I get it's annoying, she's the only f/f LI I've romanced that felt really integral to the game and like I was "supposed" to be romancing her. I totally understand why that's not ideal for other players and I agree it's kind of shitty, but for my personal gaming experience it was really cool. It felt nice, lol, I don't know how else to explain it. And Garrus is just a bro, his romance is fun and has just the right amount of dorkiness. FO4: Piper and Curie Skyrim: I honestly have no recollection of who I've married in that game, lol. The romances aren't exactly engrossing. Oh, I married Mjoll the Lioness a few times because I thought her name was cool. So. Yeah. Somehow I always end up falling for the straight female LI's, it's a curse. I'll never not be bitter over the one two punch of Aveline and Cassandra. Bull and Inqy should have gotten married I wanted to see Bull in a suit ![:ytho:]() Same. I get they probably didn't want to have to deal with the extra animations and everything but man, what a tease. Oh well, there's always headcanons I guess  |
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Post by Andrew Mancer on May 23, 2017 22:16:01 GMT
{Spoilered For Size And An Unpopular Opinion Or Two...}I have to thank BioWare for introducing me to the concept of canon LGBT characters in video games and pushing me out of my gaming comfort zone (survival horror). Before I had played any of their games, I had never encountered a LGBT character in a video game or even considered the thought of actually getting M/M relationships in games. All I had was my own thoughts/personal views on the characters and fan art. I spent countless hours looking at artwork and fanfiction depicting Chris Redfield and other characters from the Resident Evil series in same-sex relationships. That was all I had. A few years back, I somehow ended up reading something that mentioned Kaidan could begin a relationship with a male Shepard in Mass Effect 3. This caught my interest and I decided to look him up. I thought he was quite attractive and I was curious about how it would play out in the game. (I didn't spoil anything though.) A few months later, I finally managed to get my hands on the Mass Effect trilogy. It ended up changing my life and the way I looked at gaming. I had never experienced anything like it before. I got so immersed in the world and fell in love with it, knowing the entire time that my Shepard and Kaidan would be together in the third game. The relationship played out so wonderfully, even though it was hard work keeping all the females away from Shepard! Never before had I felt so strongly about video game characters. They came at a time when I really needed them. Mass Effect 3 still remains my all-time favorite game to this day and I have such fond memories of it and the mShenko relationship. After experiencing the Mass Effect trilogy, I quickly jumped into the world of Dragon Age knowing it also offered same-sex romance. I didn't look up anything about the series, I went in completely blind! I do not regret it at all. I was hooked right from the beginning of Origins, playing as a Dalish elf. I totally saw my Mahariel in a relationship with Tamlen despite there being no option for it. (Imagine my disappointment finding out it was available for females only!) When I got to Ostagar and met Alistair, it was like love at first sight. I was head over heels for the guy and it broke my heart when I saw that he was for females only. I was pining for him the entire game after that. Regardless, I went after Zevran. He wasn't my type and he definitely couldn't compare with Kaidan, but it was at least something. I didn't like that he was constantly talking about women, but I enjoyed the romance for what it was. He's probably my least favorite Origins romance, but I will always have a soft spot for him just because he was my first Dragon Age romance. Going into Dragon Age 2, I was much more excited. I had already fallen in love with Anders and knew he was going to be a romance option in the second game. (Yeah, I didn't want to set myself up for heartbreak like with Alistair!) I really, really loved Origins and Awakening, and Dragon Age 2 didn't disappoint. It really felt like there were a lot more LGBT characters running around in this one. I loved the more personal story and how the characters were handled. The only thing I didn't like in the game was...Varric. Unpopular opinion, I know. Anyway, Anders managed to melt my heart each time we talked. He was definitely my type as far as looks go and he had the advantage of being amazing in Awakening. I really loved seeing his relationship with Hawke develop over the years and it was a nice addition giving him an ex-boyfriend. (Didn't like Awakening Anders only mentioning women.) After three amazing Dragon Age games and the perfection that was Dragon Age 2, I was really excited about Inquisition. ...Unfortunately...it failed to deliver and left me really disappointed in so many ways. I appreciate that they tried...but it broke my heart that yet again the three guys I would have wanted were all straight and the two gay options just weren't for me. For the longest time (despite the disappointment with Inquisition), I had a preference for the Dragon Age series. Yet...Andromeda's released changed that. I wasn't expecting much in the romance department after being very disappointed with Inquisition's options...yet Gil and Reyes ended up being the greatest since Kaidan.  Lack of content aside, I really enjoyed them both as characters. Gil's got the perfect looks and is voiced by Renly Baratheon himself ( ), while Reyes was so much fun and was voiced by Garrett Hawke! I couldn't have asked for a more perfect combo! I know most people didn't like Andromeda, but I loved the game so much. I was so satisfied with the story, characters, and two amazing guys to romance. It was like...the exact opposite of how I felt with Inquisition. So, yeah...BioWare has really spoiled me. The games have really helped me out through some rough times. Playing as Commander Shepard was the first time I was able to play as an openly gay protagonist and it was amazing. I now always play through Dragon Age Origins with the gay Alistair mod and Ser Gilmore mod for a perfect Dragon Age Origins experience. I'll do the same with Cullen and Blackwall in Inquisition...maybe Solas if I ever play as an elf again. Really, really hoping Dragon Age 4 finally gives me a romance that I don't need mods for! Give me a gay KISA/prince charming, BioWare! Dragon Age: Alistair (mod), Ser Gilmore (mod), Anders, Morrigan, Leliana Mass Effect: Kaidan, Gil, Reyes Fallout: MacCready, Danse Stardew Vallew: Shane, Alex Coming Out On Top: Alex, Brad Without mods, Anders is the only M/M relationship I really liked in Dragon Age. Leliana and Morrigan were such good characters and I loved seeing their relationship with the Warden develop into true love...also hilarious love triangles! I love Isabela, Fenris, and Merrill, but I don't think I could commit to a relationship with them. Josephine is the only non-mod romance that might interest me in Inquisition, but I haven't tried it yet. I'm torn over whether to choose Gil or Kaidan as my favorite BioWare relationship. Kaidan has a lot of nostalgia and three games...but Gil and Scott can be dads..so...  |
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Post by c_cat on May 23, 2017 22:24:23 GMT
I have never done all the romances in any game and the more romances Bioware put in a game, the fewer I try. I guess with more romances they don't feel the need to have them appeal to many. DAO: Alistair is nice, but my favorite playthrough is with a female shield and sword warrior Cousland who romanced Leliana. She didn't believe in the maker and spent so much time hardening Leliana, I can only imagine her reaction to finding out her lover is the new Divine.  DA2: Fenris is my favorite, longed for Varric. DAI: I have only romanced Cullen and Dorian, liked the Cullen romance more but I have to say that Dorian has an absolutely brilliant VA. Longed for Varric of course and I tried to romance Sera but failed utterly. Four times. ME: Liked Kaidan more than Liara. ME2: Played the game around 15 times, done romances twice. Garrus and Jack. OK, I guess? ME3: Kaidan, but I think Steve has better banter and both Steve and Garrus have some fun content in the Citadel DLC. MEA: In my first (and last) playthrough I romanced Reyes. Not much content, but the little there was managed to hold my interest more than most other things in the game. Still regret buying it, though. In Skyrim I like to wander around adventuring with Erik the Slayer. Cute redhead with muscles. I really liked the romance with Lucky/Andrew in the Technomancer, slowly getting to know him, helping him to get a prothesis and inducting him into the technomancers. Not much romance content, but the game was better than I expected. |
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Post by gayhawke on May 23, 2017 22:27:03 GMT
the player-sexual team the all bisexual team FTFY Well... I know this can annoy or offend some people but I don't mind when romance characters don't have a specified sexuality and that their interest in the player takes the spot light. Sure you have characters with past love interests or interests in other teammates/characters that make preferences known... But it doesn't matter to me. I mean as long as real people get the same level of content that is what I care about. I do like seeing LBGT characters in the story and lore of course. I don't care what happens in other peoples games or what they headcanon tbh. That is like those girls who imply Jaal is ruined by him sucking a d*ck in an AU. What does it matter to them, how does it change their experience? This probably comes from my pansexuality. Sorry if I offended people with that language. The thing is that the DA2 romance options are all canonically bisexual - if you really want to call characters playersexual, the FO4 romances fit that description better. Calling Anders gay or Isabela straight removes canon bisexual rep and it's not fair to say that it doesn't matter because you don't care about it. |
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Post by Aurora'Harel on May 23, 2017 22:40:32 GMT
Well, Dorian is modeled on a South Asian guy, according to Gaider. And voiced by one too. I'm assuming you mean an East Asian LI? That would be really cool tbh! Yes exactly! This is me being an ignorant XD Kai Leng's model is a fucking waaaaaaaste!!!! Why! XD Same goes for Kasumi ugh, Kai Leng's face model is hot. Plus they gave Leng Troy Baker's voice. I would romance someone who looks similar to Leng in ME. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 22:41:55 GMT
Well... I know this can annoy or offend some people but I don't mind when romance characters don't have a specified sexuality and that their interest in the player takes the spot light. Sure you have characters with past love interests or interests in other teammates/characters that make preferences known... But it doesn't matter to me. I mean as long as real people get the same level of content that is what I care about. I do like seeing LBGT characters in the story and lore of course. I don't care what happens in other peoples games or what they headcanon tbh. That is like those girls who imply Jaal is ruined by him sucking a d*ck in an AU. What does it matter to them, how does it change their experience? This probably comes from my pansexuality. Sorry if I offended people with that language. The thing is that the DA2 romance options are all canonically bisexual - if you really want to call characters playersexual, the FO4 romances fit that description better. Calling Anders gay or Isabela straight removes canon bisexual rep and it's not fair to say that it doesn't matter because you don't care about it. Well I mean making every single LI in the game canonically bisexual kind of removes the importance of the representation in a way. It becomes more about their availability to everyone. I do understand what you mean... That they have orientations and we should respect that. Bisexual representation does matter to me. Leliana, Silk Fox, and Vetra are all good representation imo but it is done in a way where it is because it is ingrained in their character amid a cast with various orientations. In DA2 the characters were all available to everyone because Gaider wanted every orientation to have choices (basically the point I was making with the "playersexual" content. Equal content.) Also I'm not implying they are straight or gay just all interested in the PC. We just see it differently. I don't mean to offend you but that is how I feel about it. |
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Post by firmicute on May 24, 2017 1:16:33 GMT
I almost mentioned Taliesan, but it's not confirmed in game, right? Wasn't that confirmed outside of it. In the game, it's left a little ambiguous -- Is it a three-way relationship? Is it a love triangle? And, yeah, I'd probably give him some more slack if he were a stocky human/dwarf warrior. But I don't even have physical attractiveness to fall back on with him. He is almost the complete opposite of what I like: he's thin, darkly tanned, long haired, and clean shaven. LOL. And, yeah, not to psychoanalyze Gaider, but clearly the dude has some issues with acceptance around his sexuality. And that comes out when he writes m/m content. That Fenris line was a total left-field comment. There's literally nothing in game that should lead Hawke to make that comment. WTF Gaider? He says Taliesan was "a good friend and more", which seems like a clear confirmation, to me. I feel like there are people that could ignore what it means, but they would have to be kind of trying. lol I believe he was with both of them at the same time, but not in a committed relationship with either. I think it's implied he's never really committed to anyone else before. I agree, it seems Gaider was a bit uncomfortable with the material. He would talk about how writing it was important to him and I believe that is probably true, but it seemed like he was overly worried how people would react to it. Maybe because the criticism of the content wasn't so personal, the straight authors handling LGBT content didn't have as much hesitation. It's something you have to have some empathy for, but also kind of disappointing in practice. maybe its also an age thing? like he wrote about how he didn't dare to be open about that and hadn't even assumed to be able to write about it.. idk whether he was out in the studio but it feels like creatively he was super in the closet and maybe tried to work his shit out.. and maybe there is some fear about how homophobic gamers would react, so he put in self depreciation before someone could accuse him of inappropriate stuff.. I think a gay dude that's maybe 10,20 years older will have some very different experience- and well it depends highly on family.. but as we see,(and its pretty blatant) that his family didn't react so well. (For me its interesting because I am so fucking privileged with those hippie parents who didn't care who I brought home as long as we werent too loud later.) so.. I still know the feeling of uncertainty and "what will they say/think" but I just was luck that the answer was "I don't care who you fuck, but please bite in the pillow next time, I have to get up early" maybe.. it was like that fear-some sort of "preventive" self defeat, hitting yourself so that others cant- and shit like the last 3,4 years have shown that the fear isn't wholly unreasonable.. _______________________________________________________________________________ DAO: Leliana, Alistair. WANTED MORRIGAN SO MUCH. DA2: Isabella, Fenris DAI: Cullen, Sera, Bull ME: My hands, Liara ME2: Thane, Liara ME3: Traynor, Liara. MEA: Jaal, Vetra, Reyes. (Gil if that fugly baby plot wouldn't be there. I dont like children. Children make me dry out faster than a desiccant in an oven) Fallout NV: male courier+ Arcade gannon Female courier and her hands. While dreaming of Cass. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 2:11:25 GMT
I know right? Casandra is strangely masculine to me in game sometimes. I mean I know her mannerisms are all very feminine and her breasts are a force that can't be ignored-but she has that something that would confuse me in real life. She's so strong and forceful too. If she was a man, she'd be a hot KISA for men for sure. I think there should be more female characters like Cassandra. She's not written to be a female character but written to be a character, if that makes sense. Well, except for the romance, but again, for the most part her being a woman is incidental to her route rather than essential. Female characters often get pigeon-holed into the same 3-4 archetypes with minor variations because them being women becomes important to the way they're written in a way it shouldn't. I love Cassandra. She's my Inquisitor's closest friend after Dorian. I've done the friend arc with all followers, but I think the friend arcs for both Dorian and Cassandra are the most meaningful (to me) for how they show their affection, respect, and admiration for the Inquisitor. I'd really like to know how much of Hepler's writing and ideas still remain in Cassandra, or if DG just did his own thing after he got her as a character. I think he does a great job of writing multi-dimensional women. Perhaps being gay and not being sexually attracted to them has an influence there? I'm not sure. Well, Dorian is modeled on a South Asian guy, according to Gaider. And voiced by one too. I'm assuming you mean an East Asian LI? That would be really cool tbh! I heard they even wanted Dorian to have Indian accent! That would be so cool. They had Ramon Tikaram use an East Indian accent initially, but found that it worked better for the character if he used his natural voice. He's just marvelous. *___* |
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Post by fialka on May 24, 2017 2:16:43 GMT
The romances I've done. Mind, I only ever play female protagonists given the choice, and I'm only interested in male LIs (with a couple exceptions): ME1: Kaidan, being the only male option. Though I like him a lot as a character I thought the romance was just okay. ME2: Garrus still is and probably always will be one of my faves. Dat voice... ME3: Garrus, again. Next trilogy playthrough I'll not romance anyone until ME3 and try Kaidan's romance slow-burn style from here, and see if I like it better. I just can't bring myself to continue it from ME1 with all the shenanigans in ME2/at the beginning of ME3. Maybe I can forgive him for being all mistrustful of a friend/former commander in a way I can't look past (at least not enough to want to see the romance through) when you were his girlfriend he was supposedly in love with. MEA: Romanced Liam and Reyes. Can't really pick a favorite - I like Liam better as a character and felt there was more depth to the relationship, but that's largely because he has more content as a squadmate and we spend more time with him. Reyes had the more fun romance though, and the chemistry between him and Ryder is fantastic. Despite having little content to their actual romances, I enjoyed both almost as much as Garrus, thanks to their strength as characters. Love both their VAs, too. DAO: Romanced both Alistair and Zevran. Used to consider Alistair a favorite, but as I've grown older and replayed the game a stupid number of times, I realize nostalgia has a lot to do with it. He was my first game romance so I'm sentimental, though I've come to see it as pretty flawed now. Zevran's was cool, with a nice payoff at the end if you stuck it out - though IIRC you need a mod to restore content that didn't make it into the final game to see some of it. And another mod in DA2 so he doesn't cheat on you...  DA2: Only ever romanced Anders. Will never not romance Anders. And that first kiss with him? Hot as hell. DAI: Romanced Cullen and Solas. Really enjoyed both. Cullen had the more satisfying romance, with better (and more) content, but Solas wins out by being one of my favorite Bioware characters ever. Only actually played DAI twice, but I'd like to try Iron Bull's at some point. I didn't care for him much at first, but he really grew on me over those two playthroughs. Jade Empire: Romanced Sky. I wasn't super into it at first. Just had my character keep stringing him along because he was my only male option. But I ended up enjoying it a lot. The way it culminated in those final hours in the game, which were so amazing already (my favorite Bioware plotline, hands down) was surprisingly powerful. Skyrim: Vilkas. Only Vilkas. Obviously the 'romance' in the game is a huge joke, but his character was great. The closest thing to the 'ice king' type I've been hoping for in a Bioware romance since forever. Fallout 4: Romanced both MacCready and Hancock. MacCready's was super sweet (and since we both have Carth syndrome I can look past it here, haha!), and I still get a kick out of the fact that he was the foul-mouthed brat mayor in Little Lamplight in FO3.  Liked Hancock a lot too - found him kind of sleazy at first but he grew on me and the romance was cute as well. Don't really get the fascination for Nick Valentine, but, I do have an unrequited love for Deacon *still bitter he wasn't an option* so I can relate there. Modded romances: Skyrim: Rumarin from Interesting NPCs is just super awesome. Reminds me a bit of Anders in Awakening. Morrowind. Julan, Ashlander Companion. Alistair was my first 'real' game romance, but Julan was my real first. To be honest I though it would feel a bit silly romancing a video game character when I read that was an option when researching the mod... but it was great! Made me realize it was something I really wanted more of in games, and finding out DAO had them had me buying it despite barely knowing anything about it. And in honor of the request we keep this thread super gay... though I'm straight in real life I very likely would've romanced Morrigan and Miranda were they f/f options because I so enjoyed their characters and friendship arcs. And I have a slightly confusing crush on Cassandra. Was legit disappointed she wasn't a romance for a female character. |
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Post by Aurora'Harel on May 24, 2017 2:22:00 GMT
fialka you make a good point about Vilkas being the closest thing we get to an "ice king" type romance. I would really love a male Morrigan/Miranda romance in a Bioware game.
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 24, 2017 2:27:49 GMT
I just saw this news and came here to post it. At long last, my long nightmare of no-current-gen-Dragon's Dogma is OVER sooo excited. WOLVES HUNT IN PACKS! I'll scale it and strike from above! I just hope they add a super-duper easy mode.  |
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Post by fialka on May 24, 2017 2:49:20 GMT
fialka you make a good point about Vilkas being the closest thing we get to an "ice king" type romance. I would really love a male Morrigan/Miranda romance in a Bioware game. Yup. I've really been wanting a male LI who's just super standoffish and mistrustful at first. I guess there's Fenris, but, despite being kind of prickly in general he's pretty on board from the start - and the anti-mage thing puts me off even if it's understandable in his case... plus he's mean to my husbando Anders (THE NERVE! ). So while he's cool, as an LI he just doesn't do it for me. Then there's Solas with his secret agenda, but we don't learn that until later - he's pretty friendly and helpful when you meet him. Maybe it's a weird thing to want, but, I want that guy who's straight up hostile and doesn't like you at first. The reason I enjoyed the friendship arcs so much with Morrigan, Miranda, and even Cass to a degree, is because I felt like I really had to earn it. I would love a guy like that to romance. Plus I'm a sucker for the enemies-to-friends-to-lovers trope. So yeah, Vilkas hits that note for me even if Skyrim's 'romances' leave a lot to be desired. Conversely, I'd love a sweet, slightly awkward, nerd. A male version of Suvi or Tali or even Dagna from DAI. I always loved Finn from the Witch Hunt DLC, and would love to see an LI like that in a full game. |
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Post by gaycaravaggio on May 24, 2017 3:11:04 GMT
fialka you make a good point about Vilkas being the closest thing we get to an "ice king" type romance. I would really love a male Morrigan/Miranda romance in a Bioware game. Yup. I've really been wanting a male LI who's just super standoffish and mistrustful at first. I guess there's Fenris, but, despite being kind of prickly in general he's pretty on board from the start - and the anti-mage thing puts me off even if it's understandable in his case... plus he's mean to my husbando Anders (THE NERVE! ). So while he's cool, as an LI he just doesn't do it for me. Then there's Solas with his secret agenda, but we don't learn that until later - he's pretty friendly and helpful when you meet him. Maybe it's a weird thing to want, but, I want that guy who's straight up hostile and doesn't like you at first. The reason I enjoyed the friendship arcs so much with Morrigan, Miranda, and even Cass to a degree, is because I felt like I really had to earn it. I would love a guy like that to romance. Plus I'm a sucker for the enemies-to-friends-to-lovers trope. So yeah, Vilkas hits that note for me even if Skyrim's 'romances' leave a lot to be desired. Conversely, I'd love a sweet, slightly awkward, nerd. A male version of Suvi or Tali or even Dagna from DAI. I always loved Finn from the Witch Hunt DLC, and would love to see an LI like that in a full game. I don't think it's a weird thing to want. I'd love a lesbian version tbh. Most of the f/f options are pretty onboard with it from the start, except maybe Isabela? sort of. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 3:25:46 GMT
I'll scale it and strike from above! I just hope they add a super-duper easy mode. FYI There's default "normal" mode but there is an easy mode! |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 3:28:54 GMT
Interesting NPC aficionados... I hear a lot about Rumarin, but I'm having a hard time imagining me liking, romantically speaking, a high elf. Still, I'll give him a try if he's really the best AND has the most lines. There is a really hot guy in Riverwood, though, named Gorr. The voice acting is... ehhh. But is he any good as a follower and marriage candidate?
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 24, 2017 3:30:45 GMT
I just hope they add a super-duper easy mode. FYI There's default "normal" mode but there is an easy mode! Maybe that's what I was doing wrong, lol. I don't remember ever selecting difficulty mode. |
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Post by Beefy Titans on May 24, 2017 3:34:12 GMT
Favorite husbandos!  Dragon Age: Anders Mass Effect: Kaidan and Gil Fallout 4: Danse and MacCready. Skyrim: Farkas Techomancer: Andrew COOT: Ian and Brad
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Post by Lee on May 24, 2017 3:41:15 GMT
Favorite FFA romance: DirkLee
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Post by Beefy Titans on May 24, 2017 3:43:46 GMT
Favorite FFA romance: DirkLee  |
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Liked Hancock a lot too - found him kind of sleazy at first but he grew on me and the romance was cute as well. Don't really get the fascination for Nick Valentine, but, I do have an unrequited love for Deacon *still bitter he wasn't an option* so I can relate there.
