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Post by dino on Sept 18, 2017 21:54:52 GMT
Feeeeeears:
#Killing of Dorian, Calpernia, Samson or the Inquisitor
#no Dwarf romance 💔 ðŸ˜
# too much elves. Sure Solas will have the main part but they should not forget the other races.
# height difference issues again. Let my Qunari be big and my Dwarf small, Bioware
# Great Npcs BUT YOU CAN'T ROMANCE THEM ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜
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Post by Solas on Sept 18, 2017 23:02:59 GMT
neat topic. 
I mostly play female PCs. so then on the queer front, I worry that the female character I want to romance will be straight again l000l. they did manage to break my unlucky streak with Andromeda (Vetra, though they very nearly didn't), but that's a different franchise. DA2 was a non-issue because of the all bi model and the fact that Fenris is the ultimate bae, but in DA I'm still not over the straightness of Morrigan and Cassandra.  ............ all I wanted was for them to love me. 
now for other stuff.
big fears/hell no's:
- that the writing treats modern elves as a monolith, and hits them all with the stupid stick because the Plot demands it. let them have some agency. let some of them distrust and oppose Solas. I don't think that they would all support him.
- that there is no City Elf companion who really cares about and champions the cause of city elves, and truly brings a City Elf perspective. this is venturing on "stuff I want/wishlist" territory I know but for real the lack of this so far is a massive gap for me, and the lack of one in DA4 is gonna frustrate me more than it has already because of its obvious likely elf-relevant plotlines. the City Elf/non-Dalish elf companions we've had so far have been great, but none of them really filled this role? Zevran was more "The Antivan", and his storyline was about the Crows. Fenris was Tevinter, the anti-mage guy, and his niche was 'escaped/former slave'. Sera's shtick was the little people (not specifically elves). give me like, like a Briala/Shianni hybrid. like a Iorveth, for City Elves. tell me more about CE ways and culture. give them a voice. give me someone who stands for them.
- that Solas is written as some kind of.. Elf Jesus. listen, I know some people believe otherwise, but my personal guess/opinion is that his goal of saving the People and restoring the elves, doesn't mean modern elves. he might make use of modern elves to help in his plans, but his people are ancient elves, the world he wants to restore is that of the ancient elves, and modern elves will suffer in the chaos and destruction to come just like the other races. if we're to be offered an option to improve the lot of modern elves in Thedas, can it not involve Solas please? can it involve figures like Briala, the PC (particularly if it's not the Inquisitor and they're a City Elf), new [City Elf] characters like the concept in bullet point 2? I want modern elves to have some agency (repeating myself..) and I don't want a case of like, "heyyy it's me ur friend biower, here with more Gray Choices â„¢! you can choose to free and uplift the elves by siding with Solas, but at the cost of royally fucking three other entire races". I don't think it would literally be like that but hopefully the sort of thing I mean comes across (I do love me some gray choices tho). edit: oh, and if there's an uprising of elven slaves/an elf rebellion, I don't mind if Solas had been sowing seeds here and there and stoking some fires of it for his own ends (e.g. moving his chess pieces in the resulting chaos as it's a distraction or whatever else), in fact that's totally something he would do. but I don't want him to be the sole instigator/main mastermind of it. a push here, a pull there, ok, but overall let it be something they're doing themselves? can an elf rebellion be mostly separate to the gathering/actions of the Dread Wolf's forces pls?
- ALSO, Solas doesn't need the added Elf Jesus thing. like, I think his plans are awful and that he needs to be opposed, and my Inquisitor opposes him. BUT he's also really compelling to me because his motives and where he's coming from are understandable. he's trying to save his people and his world, and correct a huge mistake he made, even at the cost of everything else ("wouldn't you, to save your own?" I mean probably yeah? a lot of people would). He doesn't need 'oh and he's trying to save all the modern elves' added to that too to make him even more sympathetic. his position is understandable and tragic enough as it is.
- I also do not want "PLOT TWIST. Solas actually HAS to succeed, in order to save the world, he was trying to save it all along!!!!!1 because red lyrium spreading/The Blight/something something. BET YOU NEVER SAW THAT COMING" omg eyeroll hahaha... see above. I wouldn't mind having to or being able to choose to ally with him against a greater threat though, and I wouldn't mind him not being the final Big Bad of the game (like if instead he was a secondary antagonist).
- ah, and please no "Solas is tied to everything ever". Solas was Shartan, Solas this, Solas that. look I love Solas (if you couldn't tell from the username) but I hate the "Solas was Shartan" and related theories, lol. Thedas is such a big and interesting world with so many mysteries in it and different layers. I don't want Solas involved in lots of them. there is way more to Thedas than Solas and he has huge awesome stuff tied to him already (like how the creation of the Veil is something attributed to the Maker, and how he's Fen'Harel).
- that the Inquisitor doesn't get to be the one who deals with Solas
- I'd prefer a limited number of returning characters/cameos, sometimes it feels like if some people had their way the game would be an endless fan service parade of returning characters lmao
heading off the inevitable becuz it always seems to happen: if you have different opinions on Solas/his plans/elves that's fine ppl, but I can't be assed debating them in this thread lmao, I'm just listing stuff I'm worried about and that I dnw.
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Post by Lee on Sept 18, 2017 23:09:43 GMT
I really agree on the returning cast point, mainly cause almost everytime they bring back a character they some how butcher them and make me hate them.
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Post by Solas on Sept 18, 2017 23:12:06 GMT
I really agree on the returning cast point, mainly cause almost everytime they bring back a character they some how butcher them and make me hate them. also yes just let some of them live unruined and in peace damnit  |
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Post by Lee on Sept 18, 2017 23:15:26 GMT
I really agree on the returning cast point, mainly cause almost everytime they bring back a character they some how butcher them and make me hate them. also yes just let some of them live unruined and in peace damnit Indeed! Nothing wrong with "they lived happily ever after". I'm not one of the people who always want dark and twisted storylines. I'm more of a Katy then a gaga....(yes I'm still rewatching Glee). |
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Post by pessimistpanda on Sept 18, 2017 23:59:53 GMT
I'd like to see BioWare stop tacitly endorsing slavery and genocide. >_>
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 0:37:12 GMT
I honestly love Zevran, Isabela, and Iron Bull as characters, I really do (especially Issy, for real, I'm getting a quote of hers tattooed on my arm) but I agree that it is about fucking time BioWare drop the depiction of bisexual characters as sexually promiscuous. I'm tired also of having to defend this stance to those who don't see the issue of depicting bisexuals like this. It's harmful, and it seriously undercuts the positivity of having their inclusion and representation sometimes. Other than that...??? No other real fear or concern. I at the moment have faith the DA team won't pull an Andromaduhr and ass-spout "Pretty Good Banging" on their Twitters, shove Scott banging all duh ladieszs on promo materials, and then remaining hushitty hush hush about the m/m and/or other non-hetero romances in the game. I don't expect them to release a list of all the Who's Who Available for Who's either, but I do expect them to be inclusive, and be more conscious about how they choose to reveal information about the romances pre-release. Oh, and maybe no more Leliana? Girl should take a backseat for once. Agree with everything! As for Leliana, since she could be divine, I think her role will be greatly diminished. Regardless of Leliana's fate, the epilogue has her grooming Charter and Harding as her successors in the Inquisition. In addition, Charter seems to have taken over that role and presence in the comics. While Leliana initially recruited Tessa and Marius in Magekiller, Charter ended up being their handlers (especially Tessa  ), and Charter is the only one featured in Knight Errant as the primary Inquisition liaison and recruiter. I think those are very strong indications that we will see Charter in DA4. Considering that she has Anora's VA (Mika Simmons), I think it's great; she comes across as a strong, capable, mature woman, so I'll look forward to hearing her again. I will be VERY surprised if Charter is not in DA4 in the Leliana role, with perhaps Harding taking over her place as #2. (At the moment, I can't remember whether Charter and/or Harding are present in that final scene with the Inquisitor and map stabbing Tevinter. Since you had Cassandra, Leliana, the Inquisitor and their LI, perhaps that would have been too many people for the scene.) Also, despite my moaning about Tessa's inclusion in a previous post, it would be nice to see an example of a stable, non-toxic lesbian relationship in these games. |
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Post by Crimson on Sept 19, 2017 22:38:32 GMT
I honestly love Zevran, Isabela, and Iron Bull as characters, I really do (especially Issy, for real, I'm getting a quote of hers tattooed on my arm) but I agree that it is about fucking time BioWare drop the depiction of bisexual characters as sexually promiscuous. I'm tired also of having to defend this stance to those who don't see the issue of depicting bisexuals like this. It's harmful, and it seriously undercuts the positivity of having their inclusion and representation sometimes. Other than that...??? No other real fear or concern. I at the moment have faith the DA team won't pull an Andromaduhr and ass-spout "Pretty Good Banging" on their Twitters, shove Scott banging all duh ladieszs on promo materials, and then remaining hushitty hush hush about the m/m and/or other non-hetero romances in the game. I don't expect them to release a list of all the Who's Who Available for Who's either, but I do expect them to be inclusive, and be more conscious about how they choose to reveal information about the romances pre-release. Oh, and maybe no more Leliana? Girl should take a backseat for once. I still cringe at that obnoxious hashtag and about how that dev team handled the pre-release info. Thoroughly enjoyed seeing it all blow up in their faces tho.  Glad to see you back @princee ! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 22:51:12 GMT
I honestly love Zevran, Isabela, and Iron Bull as characters, I really do (especially Issy, for real, I'm getting a quote of hers tattooed on my arm) but I agree that it is about fucking time BioWare drop the depiction of bisexual characters as sexually promiscuous. I'm tired also of having to defend this stance to those who don't see the issue of depicting bisexuals like this. It's harmful, and it seriously undercuts the positivity of having their inclusion and representation sometimes. Other than that...??? No other real fear or concern. I at the moment have faith the DA team won't pull an Andromaduhr and ass-spout "Pretty Good Banging" on their Twitters, shove Scott banging all duh ladieszs on promo materials, and then remaining hushitty hush hush about the m/m and/or other non-hetero romances in the game. I don't expect them to release a list of all the Who's Who Available for Who's either, but I do expect them to be inclusive, and be more conscious about how they choose to reveal information about the romances pre-release. Oh, and maybe no more Leliana? Girl should take a backseat for once. I still cringe at that obnoxious hashtag and about how that dev team handled the pre-release info. Thoroughly enjoyed seeing it all blow up in their faces tho. Glad to see you back @princee ! cheersz and yeah it was like a like a bunch of fratboys were left in charge of what they showed in the marketing and a part of my salty soul was restored when it blew up in their faces too  Lastly thought of another NO NO NO NO just showing the male protagonist in all the marketing, say you will also show a female protagonist, but then slowly just shift all the focus back to the malesz and only go back and bring out some more marketing with the female protagonist after fan demand ffs poor Sara goddamit |
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Post by dino on Sept 20, 2017 10:10:21 GMT
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Post by Foelhe on Sept 20, 2017 10:16:12 GMT
Y'know, I've been struggling with whether I want to keep giving Dragon Age chances, or just bail on the series right now. If the next game out is multiplayer, that would definitely make my decision a whole lot easier. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 10:25:38 GMT
Meh, I wouldn't worry about it. They are not allowed to officially announce because of corporate money reasons. But because of various hints, it's pretty obvious that they're working on the next game. Nothing in that linked post proves anything except the fact that gaming media likes to engage in wild speculation. Truly, the only thing worth following is the actual Dragon Age Twitter thread over on the BSN where you can get nuggets from the developers themselves. I wouldn't listen to a single word in all of gaming media about the project. They don't know shit. In fact, no one knows anything. Those that do know aren't allowed to say. |
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Sept 20, 2017 19:51:55 GMT
Ah, the beauty and magic of that wonderful spell "Non-Disclosure Agreement"...
Okay, so the big no is, of course, YET. ANOTHER. VERSION. of the Bad Boy Bisexual. Sky, Zevran, Anders, Bull, Reyes, and I tend to throw Dorian in the archetype, even though he's gay... This is the most common well that they tap, and it ran dry for me a long time ago. If I see another bad boy M/M love interest in a BioWare game, it'll still be too soon (hell, it's not just BioWare - this aversion seriously put me off trying out Robert's path in Dream Daddy).
And what really pisses me off about that is that they used that argument of 'we didn't want to play into the 'depraved bisexual' trope with Solas, so he's straight,' when HELLO, Iron Bull. Hello Isabela. Hello Zevran. They haven't been afraid of playing into that trope before, or in that same goddamn game.
On the plot level, I adamantly refuse to accept that the elves, as a monolithic whole, are buying into Solas's story. Not just in terms of can we STOP with the slaughtering of the elves who are explicitly based off of IRL indigenous cultures who are disenfranchised as it is, but also from the fact that if Solas is running around, reclaiming his title of Fen'Harel the Dread Wolf, then the Dalish should not accept him - he's the closest thing to a devil figure in Dalish mythology, by everything established, him going about like this is, to the Dalish, the devil approaching a congregation of Catholics and saying 'I'm gonna bring you to power and glory,' and the entire congregation going 'sure thing, Satan, anything you say!' Individuals, yes. City elves, I can understand. But the Dalish? Oh hell no. If anything, they'd be gearing up to fight him.
Just... I want the Dalish to be freaking RESPECTED this time around. Inquisition made a shooting gallery out of how many potshots it took at them, and the victim-blaming REALLY pissed me off.
Honestly, ideally, I'd accept an elven protagonist only, choosing between Dalish and city elf, but I know that's not happening, that again we're playing outsider to a culture war and being forced to resolve things...
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Post by vertigomez on Sept 21, 2017 16:45:45 GMT
Like Solas I would like to have a Shianni-ish character who's all about that alienage life, simply 'cause we haven't really had that yet? Zevran is the closest we've gotten to a city elf who really feels empathy for other elves (his comments if you bargain with the slavers or help the werewolves massacre the Dalish - spoiler HE'S PISSED), but even he's culturally distinct from, like..... an elf who grew up in an alienage. We've had Merrill and Ariane and even Solas to represent various shades of "elfy elf" - so yeah, I'm ready for Shianni 2.0. I'd be cool with Vaea.  That's not really a fear though or something I'm desperate for. REAL fears are: • A repeat of ME:A, "pretty good banging", "happy with the specifics", hetero (esp. male) protag getting aaaalll the marketing, leaks, the most LIs (and the most relevant LIs), the juiciest sex scenes, just..... everything. Pls no more giving bisexual women cutscenes that were clearly designed first and foremost with a male protag in mind?? (Looking at you, Peebs.) Endless streams of bisexual dudes who 99% of the time only ever talk about banging women? Endless parade of straight KISAs? This could turn into one long paragraph but basically: DON'T. On a similar note... • Stop being afraid of butch lesbians. They exist. Stop acting like having a butch gay woman in your game is somehow LE BAD STEREOTYPE EVAAAR. (Unless the real reason for their absence is: dudebros can't jerk off to this wat do?? in which case i.... just....eeuugh) • I hope we get multiple race options for the protagonist, but if we don't, I hope the inevitable human-only PC has more personality than the Inquisitor. • I really, really, really, really want our companions to have custom classes again. Fenris being a templar/berzerker hybrid thingie worked well with his backstory. Isabela had swashbuckling pirate abilities, Anders had Justice, etc. Meanwhile Cass is a Templar (despite explicitly not being a Templar) and Bull is a Reaver (despite explicitly not being a Reaver). Most of the specs are so shoehorned in for followers in DAI, it's ridiculous. |
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Post by Catilina on Sept 21, 2017 20:15:55 GMT
I'd like to see BioWare stop tacitly endorsing slavery and genocide. >_> Perish the idea, we need such a grey morality(TM)! |
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Post by Ponendus on Sept 27, 2017 4:10:48 GMT
My biggest fear is that they do what, for me, they did with DAI - that the story is created to serve the environments, not the other way around.
In other words I will cry if it is that empty boring open world again.
Bioware, I have the magic formula for you (which I know you know because you used to this, but have just forgotten): Write the story, create enough environment to serve that story and that's it. Profit.
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Post by Foelhe on Oct 12, 2017 23:36:39 GMT
So, I've been thinking about how BioWare has been writing their gay characters up until this point, and I feel like something finally clicked into place for me. The problem isn't exactly that the token gay characters get token gay plots, although that definitely sucks and really needs to stop. The problem is that the gay characters are relentlessly woobified.
(And I feel like I should mention I've never used the word woobified in my life. Y'all, I'm very serious about this.)
The thing is, the emotional beats are hammered the fuck in with no complexity whatsoever. Dorian's entire character arc is all about how tragic it is that his father mistreated him, and we're just supposed to stand on the sidelines and reflect on how, yes, it's all very sad. Then we hit the forgiveness portion of the arc, and we're not supposed to examine Dorian's father's actions, how he lied to and manipulated Dorian to force him into a face to face confrontation Dorian clearly wasn't comfortable with, and how he spends the meeting up to that point totally failing to apologize and lecturing Dorian about how emotional he's being - we're supposed to jump straight to Forgiveness Is Good like it's an episode of Sesame Street.
Steve and Avitus both get hit with Carth Syndrome during their games, but it's still incredibly dumbed down and simplistic compared to the Carth Syndrome straight characters get. When a straight guy loses a wife in the backstory, we get to explore how that's shaped them as a person, how it affected their relationships to the people around them, how it changed their goals. When a gay guy loses his husband in the backstory, it's just oh no, the gay lost a husband, how sad, how sad.
And I'm pretty sure this is why Gil's baby arc is such a hilarious trainwreck, because the devs wanted us to be caught up in the emotionality of it all rather than actually thinking about what's happening or whether it makes sense. We're not supposed to wonder why Gil would want to raise a baby with a woman who verbally abuses him and a man he's had maybe three dates with. We're not supposed to wonder why a reproductive tech is lecturing gay men about their Solemn Duty while Addison is having kittens over one of her scientists getting knocked up. We're supposed to be distracted by how wonderful it is that two men can raise a baby on the new frontier. They could have done a baby plot with nuance and logic, but it's easier to just coast on the feeling of happiness for a new kid and hope no one was looking at the situation like the details matter.
...What's worse than the lazy writing is that, because the gay guys in the plot are pretty much just shallow emotional tools, they don't really do anything. They just have stuff done to them. And I'm not talking about when you take them into the field, I'm well aware these guys can be badass when they have no emotional connection to the plot, but when the spotlight's actually on them they are totally passive. Does Steve have actual goals? Hell if I know. Dorian does have goals, but we're sure never gonna see him act on them, because we're way too busy exploring his daddy issues. The only time he makes a real choice is when he tells his abusive father he isn't ready to forgive, and of course the Inquisitor is encouraged to kick his legs out from under him the second that happens. Gil's baby plot is all about what Jill wants, at the end of the day. Even Avitus kinda throws his hands up in the air when he could maybe be the new turian pathfinder.
So, that in mind, new wishlist for the gay:
1) Gay dudes should be able to have complicated emotional lives, don't just hammer the This Is Happy or This Is Sad buttons like a goddamn chimpanzee.
2) They should also have a sense of agency. Give them goals, and then actually show them trying to reach those goals.
3) Still no plots about how gay they are. I don't think that's actually the main problem here, but it's still pretty damn stupid.
Edit: I can't spell Avitus' name, apparently
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Oct 13, 2017 2:08:39 GMT
Yeah, that's been a very consistent complaint of mine about Dorian's story - the fact of the matter is, for all the protestations of the writing that Halward Pavus is (somehow) a good man, I honestly will never accept that. He is an abuser, one who learned that this one action was wrong, not the motivations behind it. He hasn't changed. If Dorian puts one toe out of line, how long, really, until Halward goes back to 'blood magic will fix this'? Cuz I don't think that if he'd gone with him back to Tevinter, Dorian would have had time to unpack. There is nothing to salvage, and I am not - will NEVER - advocate for an abuse victim to 'forgive' their abuser if they don't feel up to or ready for/interested in forgiving their abuser. People claim it's good for closure, but the fact that Dorian's father is there and NOT apologizing for his actions (unless THE INQUISITOR prods one out of him, by making Dorian stay) says that closure isn't coming from being around Halward. Dorian has the potential to be a good man, but he's the only one of the two with that potential.
With Steve, I think the big problem with his arc is that really, his storyline is geared towards helping him with his grief, giving him the chance to move on from loss (which has a thematic relevance, considering the ongoing war, how everyone is losing something in the war). The problem is just with the time spent on working him through that process, hooking up with him is like tattooing 'rebound' on Shepard's forehead, that this relationship is really happening far too soon for it to have the depth that it's claiming. I think Steve's probably the best character they've had so far, but his romance leaves a lot to be desired.
But you do raise a good point about how passive the characters seem to be. And while some of that is due to the fact that they require the PC to interact with them, they ARE being denied growth opportunities, just tragedy and pain. No agency - Gil's entire questline is driven by Jill, what she wants. Avitus is the only Pathfinder who potentially abandons the job with no replacement, and that decision only comes from Ryder pushing him. Dorian doesn't get to grow, change or evolve on Tevinter, the game's too focused on his daddy issues, which does him a disservice.
The worst part about this really is that Dorian WAS written by a queer man, someone who should have been absolutely aware of these things. When the person who should be advocating this plays into this attitude, does the same thing the straight writers are, what hope do we even really have to see improvement?
And I ask that not to be depressing or anything, just acknowledge that... Unfortunately, the goalposts are always moving on this one, on both sides, because the writers feel often like they're being called to write a gay character who encompasses everyone and everything, which is just not possible and we all know it, while the audience is pointing out that they don't know what they're talking about and they need to sit down and listen. But... BioWare closed their official forums, leaving us with Twitter to communicate, which... Twitter really is NOT a communication platform when you get down to things. A 140/280 character limit offers no chance for nuance unless you make a long, drawn out thread.
I can't offer a solution here, because there really isn't one, not with how things stand currently.
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Post by toomanyclouds on Oct 14, 2017 6:56:11 GMT
neat topic.
I mostly play female PCs. so then on the queer front, I worry that the female character I want to romance will be straight again l000l. they did manage to break my unlucky streak with Andromeda (Vetra, though they very nearly didn't), but that's a different franchise. DA2 was a non-issue because of the all bi model and the fact that Fenris is the ultimate bae, but in DA I'm still not over the straightness of Morrigan and Cassandra. ............ all I wanted was for them to love me.
now for other stuff.
big fears/hell no's:
- that the writing treats modern elves as a monolith, and hits them all with the stupid stick because the Plot demands it. let them have some agency. let some of them distrust and oppose Solas. I don't think that they would all support him.
- that there is no City Elf companion who really cares about and champions the cause of city elves, and truly brings a City Elf perspective. this is venturing on "stuff I want/wishlist" territory I know but for real the lack of this so far is a massive gap for me, and the lack of one in DA4 is gonna frustrate me more than it has already because of its obvious likely elf-relevant plotlines. the City Elf/non-Dalish elf companions we've had so far have been great, but none of them really filled this role? Zevran was more "The Antivan", and his storyline was about the Crows. Fenris was Tevinter, the anti-mage guy, and his niche was 'escaped/former slave'. Sera's shtick was the little people (not specifically elves). give me like, like a Briala/Shianni hybrid. like a Iorveth, for City Elves. tell me more about CE ways and culture. give them a voice. give me someone who stands for them.
- that Solas is written as some kind of.. Elf Jesus. listen, I know some people believe otherwise, but my personal guess/opinion is that his goal of saving the People and restoring the elves, doesn't mean modern elves. he might make use of modern elves to help in his plans, but his people are ancient elves, the world he wants to restore is that of the ancient elves, and modern elves will suffer in the chaos and destruction to come just like the other races. if we're to be offered an option to improve the lot of modern elves in Thedas, can it not involve Solas please? can it involve figures like Briala, the PC (particularly if it's not the Inquisitor and they're a City Elf), new [City Elf] characters like the concept in bullet point 2? I want modern elves to have some agency (repeating myself..) and I don't want a case of like, "heyyy it's me ur friend biower, here with more Gray Choices â„¢! you can choose to free and uplift the elves by siding with Solas, but at the cost of royally fucking three other entire races". I don't think it would literally be like that but hopefully the sort of thing I mean comes across (I do love me some gray choices tho). edit: oh, and if there's an uprising of elven slaves/an elf rebellion, I don't mind if Solas had been sowing seeds here and there and stoking some fires of it for his own ends (e.g. moving his chess pieces in the resulting chaos as it's a distraction or whatever else), in fact that's totally something he would do. but I don't want him to be the sole instigator/main mastermind of it. a push here, a pull there, ok, but overall let it be something they're doing themselves? can an elf rebellion be mostly separate to the gathering/actions of the Dread Wolf's forces pls?
- ALSO, Solas doesn't need the added Elf Jesus thing. like, I think his plans are awful and that he needs to be opposed, and my Inquisitor opposes him. BUT he's also really compelling to me because his motives and where he's coming from are understandable. he's trying to save his people and his world, and correct a huge mistake he made, even at the cost of everything else ("wouldn't you, to save your own?" I mean probably yeah? a lot of people would). He doesn't need 'oh and he's trying to save all the modern elves' added to that too to make him even more sympathetic. his position is understandable and tragic enough as it is.
- I also do not want "PLOT TWIST. Solas actually HAS to succeed, in order to save the world, he was trying to save it all along!!!!!1 because red lyrium spreading/The Blight/something something. BET YOU NEVER SAW THAT COMING" omg eyeroll hahaha... see above. I wouldn't mind having to or being able to choose to ally with him against a greater threat though, and I wouldn't mind him not being the final Big Bad of the game (like if instead he was a secondary antagonist).
- ah, and please no "Solas is tied to everything ever". Solas was Shartan, Solas this, Solas that. look I love Solas (if you couldn't tell from the username) but I hate the "Solas was Shartan" and related theories, lol. Thedas is such a big and interesting world with so many mysteries in it and different layers. I don't want Solas involved in lots of them. there is way more to Thedas than Solas and he has huge awesome stuff tied to him already (like how the creation of the Veil is something attributed to the Maker, and how he's Fen'Harel).
- that the Inquisitor doesn't get to be the one who deals with Solas
- I'd prefer a limited number of returning characters/cameos, sometimes it feels like if some people had their way the game would be an endless fan service parade of returning characters lmao
heading off the inevitable becuz it always seems to happen: if you have different opinions on Solas/his plans/elves that's fine ppl, but I can't be assed debating them in this thread lmao, I'm just listing stuff I'm worried about and that I dnw. Oh man, agreed, I would really dislike it if Solas turned around to be the secret good guy. He's made it clear that he doesn't like the modern elves and I doubt he really considers them his people. Solas' idea is awful, but among of a throng of mindless Darkspawn and placeholder villains like Corypheus, he was a truly compelling character. He's torn apart by guilt because he caused the downfall of the original elven race - well, the final downfall, according to him they were well on their way of self-destructing. Solas is the guy who, to truly understand the needless destruction he is causing with his methods, will have to stand in the ashes of the world a second time, and the heroes can't let it come to that, of course. Just let us have this one villain who is clearly deluded and in the wrong but sympathetic on an emotional level. |
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Oct 14, 2017 8:54:21 GMT
I worry about Solas's portrayal myself. I legitimately fear that Patrick Weekes (who's now the head writer for Dragon Age) has identified too much with the character - Solas having a romance was apparently the result of him writing it over a weekend, and Solas was originally a weaker character, more apparently sketchy. So portraying Solas as this tortured heroic figure, trying to prevent a supposed 'greater evil' is a legitimate fear I've got.
Granted, I also like to think that, with the way politics have turned in the US, where the rhetoric from certain figures sounds a lot like Solas's attitudes towards modern elves and the other races, says outright that his views can't belong to a hero, but... I'm not exactly putting my faith in that possibility.
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............ all I wanted was for them to love me. 
), and Charter is the only one featured in Knight Errant as the primary Inquisition liaison and recruiter. I think those are very strong indications that we will see Charter in DA4. Considering that she has Anora's VA (Mika Simmons), I think it's great; she comes across as a strong, capable, mature woman, so I'll look forward to hearing her again. I will be VERY surprised if Charter is not in DA4 in the Leliana role, with perhaps Harding taking over her place as #2.
