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Post by farferello on Jun 11, 2023 19:43:09 GMT
Yeah they went pretty bold charging that, but I guess they had a big increase in sales cuz of the anime. I will probably wait and see too what it has first. It's pretty shit of them to charge so much considering everything. I'm in no rush to play it as I've got other games out around the same time that I will be focused on instead. Once I'm done with them I'll look at reviews and see if it's even worth it. I'm not above waiting for a discount same as I did base game. |
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Post by Lee on Jun 12, 2023 0:56:47 GMT
I hate that the 30-dollar rumor is true...FFFF! Oh well, at least they did confirm new endings (or changes to the endings I mean) so that's something. I'll wait and see how the endings change since there's no pre-order bonus, thankfully. Edit: I should really stop saying I won't preorder things-every single time I say that somewhere I end up making a liar of myself...but that is the plan for now.  |
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Jun 12, 2023 17:59:31 GMT
I have it easier in the fact that I don't have a next gen system yet (looking for it as a potential Christmas gift, though). But yeah, I can't say that all of that sounds appealing enough to buy the game a second time. We'll see when it comes out, but legit, charging THAT much for DLC that I have to buy a new system and copy of the game for? It's not encouraging for me.
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Post by Lee on Jun 14, 2023 2:33:40 GMT
So the more I hear about the dlc the more anxiety I have about it. The entire rehaul of the perk system, cyberware (with limits or psychosis side effects), and the new way more aggressive police system-and I can imagine a lot of it will be in the new patch regardless of purchasing the dlc or not.
I really like the game, and each time they make major revisions for me it's come out worse...so I really don't want to find out this drastic overhaul completely shits on the things I like- (like being a netrunner). Yet I have a feeling the nerf hammer is coming for my playstyle as it has 3 or 4 times already.
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Post by mediocreogre on Jun 14, 2023 4:35:07 GMT
Yeah they definitely are on the edgerunner hype mode. Which is worrying. I can’t imagine driving if the police are actually effective. Not sure how I feel about cyber psychosis being a thing. In the rpg Johnny is cyber psychotic according to pondsmith. He and the CDPR people have repeatedly said V is immune from cyber psychosis cause Johnny acts as like a buffer, absorbing it all.
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Post by farferello on Jun 14, 2023 17:46:25 GMT
I think adding in cyber psychosis now, this late into the games release seems kinda dumb. People have spent all this time making/playing characters they want to and now they might suddenly have to change things up because they're adding this in so late in to release. Like... why, what's the point. All the overhauls they're adding to clothes/perks/etc is also worrying that it might just nerf stuff. I'm definitely going to wait a while to see what the consensus about the dlc is before I pick it up, and even then I will likely wait for a sale on it.
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Post by mediocreogre on Jun 14, 2023 18:18:17 GMT
I’m also a little worried as someone who enjoys the old Pondsmith world building. Nothing in current CP2077 contradicts official CP TT facts yet. But I feel like with this DLC as it involves NUSA, which might force CDPR to be explicit on some of the vagueness Pondsmith left out like is the Alt we see actually a specific rogue AI linked to spider Murphy pretending to be Alt, does Angel probably the real Alt have Johnny’s real body and real consciousness. What happened to Morgan Blackhand and why didn’t our Johnny remember him. I feel like this DLC might mark the true beginning of CDPR’s vision of cyberpunk and having watched edgerunners, I’m worried about what that is.
Definitely not preordering or buying day one either.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jun 15, 2023 6:28:44 GMT
Whhhhy are all my games/updates to games coming out within a month of each other, ffs. First BG3, then Starfield, and now this dlc.  BG3 is less likely to disappoint me so I will let the rest of you suffer through the other ones first.  inb4 twunky vampire betrays you and breaks your heart  I put my trust on you guys to keep up with the updates in the romance deparment haha, I doubt they are gonna give more options in the dlc or you know let Panam and River being bi as they already are lmao but there's always this tiny bit of hope for some improvement |
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Post by Lee on Jun 15, 2023 6:42:36 GMT
I don't think there will be any new romance content, but it would be nice if there was a second fling and this one was male (and bi just like the other fling). I doubt we'll get it, however. Seems like the dlc is going to be focused on Johnny and the new character yet again sidelining V in their own game.  |
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Jun 15, 2023 10:56:55 GMT
I don't think there will be any new romance content, but it would be nice if there was a second fling and this one was male (and bi just like the other fling). I doubt we'll get it, however. Seems like the dlc is going to be focused on Johnny and the new character yet again sidelining V in their own game. Really? Cuz I'm not gonna be surprised if that woman advertised in the DLC (Songbird, was it?) is someone who at least gets a fling on the level of Meredith Stout.
Though, if they make Idris Elba's character a fling or even a romance, I might actually be willing to forgive things somewhat...
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Post by Lee on Jun 15, 2023 17:31:30 GMT
I got the impression that songbird will only be a voice in our head-no where near the actual city. But I could be wrong on that?
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Post by farferello on Jun 15, 2023 21:01:57 GMT
I don't think there will be any new romance content, but it would be nice if there was a second fling and this one was male (and bi just like the other fling). I doubt we'll get it, however. Seems like the dlc is going to be focused on Johnny and the new character yet again sidelining V in their own game. Ugh don't say that. Though speaking of, if the dlc has even more Johnny rammed down our throats, if I play this on Vitor he's probably gonna want to shoot himself if he has to deal with Johnny anymore than he needs to. 
As if V wasn't sidelined from his own game enough already.
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Post by Lee on Jun 16, 2023 1:43:33 GMT
As if V wasn't sidelined from his own game enough already. IKR? We didn't need any new characters, we needed V to finally get some time in the spotlight!!! |
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Post by mediocreogre on Jun 16, 2023 13:12:58 GMT
Yeah the hope I had briefly this dlc would let V take control of their life (a huge theme of the cyberpunk setting) is fading as it’s looking to be more of the same. Like the trailer showing us helping president myers only for her to betray felt like a beat for beat repeat almost of the Arasaka plot line already.
And I thinks it’s unfortunately likely we’ll get waaaay too much Johnny and whoever Idris Elba is playing cause it’s pretty clear CDPR thinks big cinematic face scan celebrity stuff is what people want of a CP RPG.
I’m definitely now sure removing 3rd person cutscenes with V’s face have made it so V is just kinda a camera witnessing the story instead of being the main character.
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Post by farferello on Jun 16, 2023 13:57:13 GMT
Ugh yeah that was one thing I was worried about with them adding in Idris, that his character along with Johnny's would steal the show and V would just be kinda there. I never wanted to play this game for Johnny. I really wish I could have seen what the game would have been like before they decided to ruin it all by shoe-horning Johnny's plot in.
Ugh, just thinking about it annoys me. Maybe if I make a new character I'll go for River so I don't have to deal with Johnny long enough for the Kerry meet up. Sorry Kerry, I can't be dealing with that shit taking V's body on a joyride again.
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Jun 16, 2023 23:05:42 GMT
Ugh yeah that was one thing I was worried about with them adding in Idris, that his character along with Johnny's would steal the show and V would just be kinda there. I never wanted to play this game for Johnny. I really wish I could have seen what the game would have been like before they decided to ruin it all by shoe-horning Johnny's plot in. Ugh, just thinking about it annoys me. Maybe if I make a new character I'll go for River so I don't have to deal with Johnny long enough for the Kerry meet up. Sorry Kerry, I can't be dealing with that shit taking V's body on a joyride again. I mean, to unlock the Don't Fear the Reaper ending, the dialogue options basically lead in to setting up the date with Rogue, which, when it's unlocked, it's a barrier on ever meeting Kerry. And then I just... never call Rogue and set that up, so I'm at a point now that V and Kerry will never meet.
Because as I've said before, the fact that Kerry HAS to effectively move the needle to where V is actively pushing themself closer and closer to death, just so Johnny gets that little bit of fun, is a hardline NO for me. And it's bullshit design that definitely favors Johnny over V - "sure, Johnny. I'll give up my valuable and dying synapses so you can get the band back together one last time, and, as a result, let myself have access to the one guy in the game who's gonna go to bed with me, at this late point in the storyline, where I've probably already wrapped up everyone else's storylines. No problem, anything for YOU, I'm just a cipher for your development, after all!"
Like, not just is Johnny not DESERVING of the second chance that the narrative just GIVES him... Why in the fuck are all these people even so LOYAL to this bastard, that Rogue and Kerry are still hung up on him after FIFTY YEARS? How in the hell is this selfish bastard able to get people to be so willing to throw themselves into fire for him? I legit see the game being primed to be a refutation of Johnny's ways, that V is meant to be the counterpoint - where Johnny is a selfish bastard who got people to dance to his tune and do what he wanted at their expense, V would be someone who build connections and gets people to help out of genuine affection for them, or even just because V has helped them and they're glad to return the favor with no strings. THAT'S WHAT THE BASIC STORY BEATS AND SUMMARY IMPLY. But instead, the game really emphasizes how much it is that Johnny's way is just fine.
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Post by mediocreogre on Jun 17, 2023 4:42:10 GMT
And like Alt caring at all about Johnny. Presuming that is Alt, she was soul killed too, and built it, and studied it for 50 years. Why she wants Johnny makes no sense really. He’s literally just a modestly successful rocker who occasionally can shoot a gun well enough and then became a terrorist for NUSA. Also if it is Alt, her existence and goals are pretty boring for a (relatively) interesting and self motivated character she’s based in. The only thing that makes sense then is to be like… this isn’t Alt this is a rogue AI, but is CDPR that clever?
And plus with rogue they kinda hint she ended up working for Arasaka to become head fixer in NC. Which fits the weird Johnny is perfect ideological Angel thing they love even though literally he sided with NUSA, the same govt that betrayed him in the corporate wars. His character is supposed to be conflicted. Notably in the TT all his crew went on to some success after he died. But CDPR was like… they all secretly couldn’t function with out him… like for sure, CDPR. Gotta be some writer projecting a bit there.
and then that CDPR kinda just redid the TT final plot. The raid in Arasaka… it’s really kind of amazing how they didn’t really tell a new story either.
So one way or another I am very interested in seeing what this dlc is about because being the first “independent” CP story outside edgerunners, is going to set the stage for how CDPR will direct the future of the franchise. Maybe something nice will happen.
but I’ll be forever disappointed that CDPR bought rights to an extensive custom character role playing system, and basically warped Johnny Silverhand into Hobo Geralt who lives in our head and our character takes the back seat.
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Post by farferello on Jun 17, 2023 14:16:03 GMT
I mean we all know they shoe-horned Johnny into so much plot because they got Keanu involved and wanted to get their payment worth out of it. No blame on him, but what they did with Johnny, V, and the story, is just tiresome. It's never been V's story, everything feels focused on, or gated by, doing what Johnny wants you to, and if you don't play ball it locks you out of a ton of content, and even then the game still keeps trying to act like you're friends with him.
My Corpo V who shut him down whenever he could (which was not anywhere near enough times as I wanted,) at the end of the game when he went Arasaka, Johnny had the gall to act upset and betrayed and accused my V of betraying himself. It was kind of ridiculous because this V made it very, very clear to him every step of the way that he hated Johnny's guts and wanted back in with Arasaka. The game forcing the 'friendship' with him onto you regardless of your choices is insulting. But I heavily agree on the Kerry stuff. I hate that he's locked behind V speeding up his deterioration and losing what precious time he has left so Johnny can use and abuse his body, repeatedly. (I won't get into Kerry being disappointed every time he interacts with V and not Johnny!V because I will never get over it feeling like he's only with you because of Johnny piloting your body, and him still being around in the Sun/Secret ending doesn't do enough to change that vibe for me because they never fucking talk about it.
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Post by mediocreogre on Jun 18, 2023 13:47:13 GMT
Hypothetically I would have loved a game where Keanu plays the non CDPR version of Johnny. They made pretty weird choices with their interpretation of Johnny, they intentionally misrepresented the OG raid on Arasaka, to the extent fans and even Pondsmith have made up head canon that Artifact Johnny has their memory altered. And to what benefit? Game johnny is whiny, has limited goals, no interesting perspective, contradicts himself every second, and mostly exists as a game and story mechanic for CDPR to hijack our V into their image of “cool” which is a smelly, angsty, boring, washed up rocker with memory problems.
Can’t wait to see how they make me not like seeing Idris Elba, an incredible feat.
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Post by Rouccoco on Jul 8, 2023 21:16:51 GMT
So last year when my brother visited he really wanted to play cyberpunk. So first I watched him play, then I did a speedrun to see the Kerry stuff. And oh boy...
Two years after release and it was still so buggy. Every time my brother said something like "hey it's not that buggy anymore" something would immediately break, with even a few crashes to the desktop. I'm also pretty sure they mixed up the car and motorcycle physics. This is the fist GTA-like where I spent more time on bikes, because they were so incredibly stable and cars felt like they were sliding on ice. The combat was kinda eh too. Went with a katana, because the gunplay was so tedious. Some of the graphics were pretty, like the carnival, but a lot of the time the game looked ugly.
But I can roll with those kinds of issues if the story is good. Well, cp's story is not good. There were elements I liked that probably had more to do with the original lore. But I hated most of the cast, including Johnny. Judy and Jackie were pretty much the only characters I liked. Everyone was just so angry and shitty all of the time. It's honestly the same issue I had with Witcher 2 - it's hard to care about the plot, when everyone involved is such a huge asshole.
Also, Kerry sucks. Didn't like his design, so I tried to mod it, but turns out, that didn't help. Didn't like him as a person either. Only major character I'd romance would be Takemura, like I'd even go with Arasaka despite never going for the evil org route.
So yeah, even Idris Elba can't get me to play again.
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BG3 is less likely to disappoint me so I will let the rest of you suffer through the other ones first. 
