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Post by Davrin's boobs on May 30, 2023 8:42:11 GMT
Since beta is releasing first day of June I thought about opening the thread, just in case you guys want to chat about it! Hopefully the beta will confirm who are romanceable and who is not  Personally I'm sad the Space Wolf is not romanceable, I read Owlcat wanted to do it but owner of the IP didnt let them, the other three confirmed male companions are fine but they dont have the wooow factor for me. Cassia (spelling?) is confirmed to be romanceable (she seems plot-relevant so hopefully a bi wlw option). Hopefully the game will have the set precedent of WotR instead of Kingmaker, but even then equal distribution was not a thing with straights having more and Ulbrig being a dlc character. Will see! edit. farferello ofc bestie waiting for your gay info hhaha edit2. Ty Far! F/M - Heinrix, Marazhai F/F - Jae, Yrliet M/F - Cassia, Jae, Yrliet M/M - Marazhai |
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Post by farferello on May 30, 2023 20:29:27 GMT
Did you make this thread for me Nick? It feels like you made it for me.  I will be no-lifing it on June 1st (or June 2nd depending on when it releases in my time zone/install time.) I know how to poke through the files (though as WotR showed us, you can't take for granted that everything in the files will be in the game full release.) So far, Argenta, the Sister of Battle has been confirmed to not be a romance. I don't know if it has been confirmed exactly, but Ulfar the Space Wolf is not a romance either. (Leaks say they planned on making him a romance but the 40k peeps nixed it.) I've seen suggested a possible romance in the files is Yrliet, the Xeno companion. Cassia, the Navigator, does give me very 'I am a romance option' vibe from what I played of the Alpha, her or Yrliet might have been confirmed? I lose track of what was confirmed and what wasn't. She also gives me an innocent/corruption vibe, and knowing Owlcat, that's very possible, especially going chaos. I kinda doubt Pascal will be a romance option considering everything about him but who knows. Abelard is older, has children, grandchildren, and... is a Widow? I think? (It has been months since I played the Alpha and my memory sucks) but idk if he'd be a romance. Heinrix could be? Maybe? idk, most of the companions didn't really give me 'you can romance me' vibes when I played the alpha. Oh, and you can cuck some dude at a party by saying his wife is pretty and pretty much outright stating you'd like to bang her. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I expect them to do similar to WotR when it comes to companions and whether they stay with, or leave you depending on loyalist Imperial/embracing chaos. Heinrix is pretty much already touched by two Chaos Gods so I could see him easily falling to chaos depending on how you prod him story wise. Also, companion wise, this is dark like WotR and how it handled companions on evil playthroughs. You can kill/allow your companion to kill, Idira. Heinrix also has a death option, Jae you can attack/fight and I think she runs away (she ran from me when I turned on her after a story moment) but I don't remember if it was possible to outright kill her at this point. Yrliet I don't remember if there was an outright kill option or not, there probably was as she's a Xeno and you can play a seriously fucked up loyal Imperialist who hates Xeno's. This was all in chapter 2 btw as that's where the Alpha started. The Beta looks to be Prologue plus chapter 1-3. I will say that if you're used to playing a goodie-goodie you may struggle with the game. As 'nice' as I attempted to be, you get some pretty fucked up evil options (that given the Universe it takes place in, is probably perfectly normal) and I fully expect to get accused of Heresy at some point just because I didn't have someone flayed alive or something. But don't worry, I will be hunting down all the romance stuff (at least for the guys, and I'll let you know if I stumble into any females flirts) plus I'll take a look through the files on top of it. |
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Post by Davrin's boobs on May 31, 2023 8:26:46 GMT
Did you make this thread for me Nick? It feels like you made it for me.  YES  yeah I have been talking with my friend who is a fan of the lore and it seems pretty dark haha I'm guessing you can play anti-hero? that would be fine to me! The guys are really lacking of that wow factor to me, they are good-looking but I think the chicks look aesthetically better hehe, Space Wolf was the only one DAMNIIIITTTT screw you 40k high powers lol then again, if I'm playing isometric rpg Pathfinder will be next (or Tyranny) so I wont be playing in a long time  but its always fun the anticipation of knowing the options in a gaymeee |
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Post by farferello on May 31, 2023 14:10:14 GMT
YES yeah I have been talking with my friend who is a fan of the lore and it seems pretty dark haha I'm guessing you can play anti-hero? that would be fine to me! The guys are really lacking of that wow factor to me, they are good-looking but I think the chicks look aesthetically better hehe, Space Wolf was the only one DAMNIIIITTTT screw you 40k high powers lol then again, if I'm playing isometric rpg Pathfinder will be next (or Tyranny) so I wont be playing in a long time but its always fun the anticipation of knowing the options in a gaymeee Hmm anti hero might work lol. I made it through the Alpha okay whilst making... mostly 'good' decisions though I did get called out by an Interrogator at the end for a few of my choices (one I accept, the other was a bug because the person he said I'd allied with was very much dead lol) Like you can do stuff without falling into the 'have all these peasants murdered because they dare talk to me' evil trap, but you can do a lot of war crimes that are probably an every day occurrence in this universe (especially when it comes to Xeno's.) I plan to do at least two playthroughs depending on what the Beta adds, I'm itching to play a Latent Psyker background - that will be more my loyalist/pro Imperial run (mostly because of the Latent Psyker thing and not wanting to look anymore suss than what you are) the other will be my Criminal background character who will be more.. open to Xeno stuff. I am however incapable of playing anything over the top evil, so my Latent Psyker run should be interesting. If that's not in the Alpha I guess I will stick with my Criminal for now.
Guy wise, not having Space Wolf does suck. But I do really like the complexity of Heinrix's character, so I will be doing my best to flirt with him if given the opportunity to do so (especially for that Latent Psyker/Sanctioned Psyker pairing angst because I live for drama and Heinrix seems the most interesting to me so far from what I saw in the Alpha involving him. Plus, a Chaos God calling him my pet Psyker is pretty  )
The girls are definitely interesting though, complex characters.
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Post by farferello on Jun 1, 2023 18:23:28 GMT
I didn't get to play much as I paused to watch a friend stream a different game, but so far I have found two romance references in the files. One was in there during the Alpha, the other has been added with the Beta. Yrliet in the Alpha, and Heinrix added to the files in the beta. IDK who they're open to romance wise, but when I get back to playing I will be sure to update you. I also haven't found it myself, but people are saying Jae, Cassia, and Yrilet are romance options, but again, idk who they're open to. For guys, I've read Heinrix in the files. There's apparently also a male Xeno who was antagonistic/enemy at one point, possibly turned companion. Okay, having seen stuff from others digging in the files more, Cassia is def a romance. At this point looks to be three female/two males to romance but idk if they're gonna be gender-gated. Edit: Read on the Discord from staff that romance isn't in the game yet, so do what you will with the above. Also seems to be three main 'paths' Imperial loyalty, Chaos, and 'Benevolence' (aka good boy.) I'll probably end up doing a mix between Benevolence and Imperial loyalist. More romantic stuff I found in files: There's a scene where Jae kisses you but not sure of context, might be romantic or in thanks of helping her. Cassia is full on innocent swooning waifu. She gives me non corrupted Arue vibes from WotR in how sweet/pure she comes off. Can't find anything romantic like that for anyone else though. Edit 2: A better look at the 'paths.' I have a feeling if you want to be 'good' you might need to balance between Imperial/Benevolence just because, given the universe, being too good will likely get you in a lot of trouble in the long run. (And maxing 'path' out regardless of which you take, regards you as being a 'zealot' of it, even a zealot benevolent. It does however give you bonuses, like the one I unlocked has you start out fights with extra wounds (aka hp.)  |
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jun 2, 2023 6:57:13 GMT
I'm glad you can play a good guy in the game, thats a relief haha but yeah being an anti-hero seems the most logical path.
About romances, a lot can change between beta and final release and since I dont have a crush in any of the guys I will wait to know what the options are! Heinrix is becoming more fine as I keep watching his portrait though haha and the xeno guy you showed me on twitter is hot too (but being evil is kinda a deal breaker, depending if I'm on a Khem Val mood but I'm a sith in that universe so is fitting lool)
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Post by farferello on Jun 2, 2023 17:05:08 GMT
I'm glad you can play a good guy in the game, thats a relief haha but yeah being an anti-hero seems the most logical path. About romances, a lot can change between beta and final release and since I dont have a crush in any of the guys I will wait to know what the options are! Heinrix is becoming more fine as I keep watching his portrait though haha and the xeno guy you showed me on twitter is hot too (but being evil is kinda a deal breaker, depending if I'm on a Khem Val mood but I'm a sith in that universe so is fitting lool) Just be aware that some of the good guy options have felt like traps. I've taken a few Imperial ones over the Benevolent choices because it felt like I was edging too close to Heresy with them. Though I did piss off daddy Heinrix with a decision I made, even if he didn't show his anger. XD His first meeting was pretty badass though, kinda cinematic and cool, I love what they've done with cutscenes in this game compared to the pathfinder ones.
Haha, I mean yeah, that dude is Drukhari and a major antagonist when I played chapter 2. I will report back to you when I meet up with him again, but if evil, why so hot.
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Post by farferello on Jun 5, 2023 4:31:27 GMT
I've finished chapter 2, and started chapter 3 (it's supposed to be buggy so we'll see how far I get.) I have met the character who is supposed to become another companion and romance. After everything he does to us in game (main antagonist for the end of chapter 2, and start of chapter 3) to our people, palace, but especially to our own character, I have no clue how he would work as a companion, let alone a romance. He's like a love child of evil Arue, and Camellia from WotR but as a Drukhari that's kinda expected. I can only assume he'd be bi, if only for the fact, if he's lowering himself to date an animal who he is beneath him I kinda doubt he'd care what's in your pants. So I really hope Heinrix is also bi, because fucked up evil dude is... er, a lot. Though he is a hot, smug, little shit. (He does like getting close to us, and I do love sassing, and annoying him.  )  He is a total evil bastard man, I am not kidding. Any romance will no doubt be completely toxic and fucked up based on what he does in game.  |
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Post by farferello on Jun 15, 2023 4:29:02 GMT
Update now I've done two runs:
I really like the 'path' system. It encourages rp mostly, though people may feel the need to stick to one path only for the bonuses you get from it. Each path I feel works better if you don't however, just because some of the options are stupid. Benevolence path feels your best 'good' path but it also feels the 'haha gotcha - stupid good' path because if you're following it blindly, you do some very, very dumb things that will fuck you later I'm sure. I do get amusement out of it just because it's anathema to the 40k verse and people are so surprised when you're nice or give them a second chance. The Imperial path is very obvious 40k murder hobo cleanse everything in the name of the Emperor, Xenophobic path. I found balancing the Benevolence path with it to work well, you do justice stuff when it requires it but are otherwise kinder.
Hereticus is... a little disappointing. Less 'falling to chaos' and more 'stereotypical moustache twirling murder hobo psychopath' On my 2nd run I was a mix of Benevolence/Hereticus, but only took Hereticus options that weren't completely unhinged (there weren't many, the psychoness of that path ramps up very quickly until you're demanding people be flayed alive and publicly displayed outside their home as a warning to others - how companions don't immediately blam you on the spot idk.)
So far Benevolence has had the most impact story wise, like a certain thing in chapter 3 you can immediately end using a Benevolence option, and you can understand a character in chapter 3 using one of the options also.
I think all three need to be 'balanced' with each other in some way as going full in zealot on one path feels very risky.
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Romance wise:
No romance in the beta, however, some flirty stuff did remain. Jae, and Cassia mostly, and Yrliet to a lesser degree all feel like they have some prompts for future stuff. Heinrix has at least one conversation that felt like it could lean towards flirty though I'm reading conflicting things about him being straight/bi so idk. The other not confirmed companion (but confirmed a companion in files and very likely a romance) doesn't have any flirty stuff but chapter 2/3 is kinda chock full of you two butting heads in an enemies to lovers kinda way that I am very much here for, though he's very much not everyone's type so I really hope Heinrix is bi.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jun 15, 2023 6:22:33 GMT
Thanks Far for all the info, helpful as always!  Hopefully things will turn out ok when the game is fully cooked. Like we talked but saying here too, space dark elf is hot but damn it would be such a disappointment if he is the only mlm option, things I heard from you makes Dorn from Baldur's Gate a saint lmao Regongar at least can be kinda redeemed with his alignment changing to chaotic neutral in P:K, so worst-case scenario, if space elf is the only option, hopefully we can bring him to the light side (if such thing exists on this universe, it's so freaking gritty and dark) |
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Post by farferello on Jun 15, 2023 21:13:29 GMT
Yeah, I mean, I'm down for him whether he's redeemable or not because I love a good fucked up enemies to lovers trope (and this would be very, very fucked up) but at the same time it would be pretty interesting if you could tame him even a little. I mean, by the time he joins you he's been demoted and kicked into the arena to fight for his life, whether he wins his fake trial to impress his boss or not. So regardless, he has no other choice. It seems that he is the one to make the offer, we take him with us and he will help us escape - because if he goes back there/stays, he will likely be killed on the spot anyway, so he owes us big time. I'm not sure if you could make him 'light' Drukhari do what they do because otherwise their souls will be devoured and they have to do the shit they do to try and slow that/replenish their souls (though there are plenty who are very happy with the whole torture murder shit.) To be fair there's a few characters who could change, Heinrix has a devil romance flag, and a... closeness? I think it was flag, so I could definitely see you kicking him toward the Heretical/Chaos path quite easily considering, he's already touched by at least two Chaos gods already but I also think you can push him toward a more... benevolent path considering his whole blurb is about being willing to give up the last of his humanity to defeat the Emperor's enemies. There's already a few times in the beta where I could push him choice wise toward one path or another. There's also a bugged conversation we're supposed to have about him ambushing me in my personal chambers with his boss but in the beta the dialogue is bugged and replaced by chapter 3 dialogue too early so I couldn't see what said convo was about. |
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Post by farferello on Jun 22, 2023 18:40:23 GMT
Modding shenanigans ahead. I spawned in Marazhai to take a look at him. Obviously buggy and not implemented as a companion yet so ignore his stats, especially as it had two versions of him to spawn in, one that immediately attacked me and kept combat going even when I forced him into my party, and a 2nd one that didn't do anything, had bugged stats and no classes selected. But I was also able to trigger start a few of his quests and they look like they will be very interesting. I was able to teleport to one of the areas where we were jumped by about 20 of his fellow Drukhari. Though the quest bugged out at the end of the fight and it force reloaded an older save on me lol. But he has a companion portrait, warp events, and companion quests so it's obvious he's going to be a companion somehow and I'm looking forward to seeing how it happens considering every instinct would scream at you to shoot him in the face. I honestly can't wait to run this companion and party because it's going to be hilarious and Heinrix will lose his mind at all my bad choices. |
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Post by farferello on Aug 24, 2023 21:02:07 GMT
Heinrix is straight. The only m/m option is the evil psycopathic murder hobo Drukhari who is kind of your main antagonist for the first chunk of the game. As much as I wanted him as an option, I was also hoping for Heinrix for a less... fucked up evil option also. *Sighs.* The fact he's an antagonist and most people will probably murder him the second they can just makes me doubt he'll even get much content, especially with how Drukari see non Drukari as animals. Pets. Both Xenos are the bi options despite them putting 'unknown' for Yrliet, but the Humans are straight.  I expected better after WotR.
If the Toybox mod maker does the same as they did with WotR so you could romance Lann as a guy, but with Heinrix instead, I will mod the shit out of it. >_>
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Aug 24, 2023 21:30:14 GMT
so lgbt people are monsters and the straights are the humans lmao they learnt nothing from the first Pathfinder giving gay dudes one single evil option, fuck this game tbh if I ever get it it would be on sale, and it will have to be a big one...
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Post by farferello on Aug 24, 2023 21:42:57 GMT
Yeah, like... something feels skeevy that most of the straight options are plot relevant Humanoids, and the same sex options (outside of Jae) are Xeno's, who you can easily end up killing, and with Marazhai especially, there's very little reason to not murder him the first chance you get, let alone take him on as a party member. He's a psycho murder hobo who is your main antagonist for many hours of the game who needs to mutilate (and will do so during a warp event) people whenever you warp on the ship because otherwise Slannesh can find him and will start slurping his soul like it's a smoothie. Don't get me wrong, I wanted Marazhai as an option because I am down for the enemies to lovers trope, but I had hoped for more than just him. I wanted Heinrix so badly, that this hurts and once again it's the (seriously) depraved bisexual trope. Female characters get two f/f options. With them cutting out Ulfar's romance because the 40k people weren't happy about it, it means m/m is left with one evil option and straight dudes get three. You don't even get Marazhai until Act 3 anyway and I think there's only 5? Acts. Meanwhile the others you can pick up earlier.
F/M - Heinrix, Marazhai F/F - Jae, Yrliet M/F - Cassia, Jae, Yrliet M/M - Marazhai
I know 40k is probably a dude bro kind of genre but I expected better from Owlcat after WotR.  |
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Post by Lee on Aug 24, 2023 23:24:40 GMT
All 3 female options are available to males yet again I see.  |
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Aug 25, 2023 7:31:30 GMT
yeah its pretty much the same P:Kingmaker situation again  also people are so fucking annoying on twitter "not playing devil's advocate but everyone is evil" fuck you Steve I dont care, I WANT OPTIONS edit: gonna edit first post |
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Post by farferello on Aug 25, 2023 8:57:39 GMT
Like I understand they want to keep Marazhai becoming a party member secret for whatever reason but the trailer doesn't look good on Owlcat at all when it looks like there's no m/m option at all. Plus twitter people are dumb, yeah maybe everyone is some shade of evil but there's certain differences between the evil crazy murderous murder hobo and a righteous member of the Inquisition. Like, come on now. Marazhai responds to us using the shitty racist name Xeno's give Human's for a long time until (from what I saw in datamining) you tell him to come with you to go hunt Xeno's and he's excited about it and stops himself from calling you the name, to call you Rogue Trader instead. It's just... frustrating and so bad, of course they'd make the two most plot important companions straight.  I will certainly be distrustful of any of Owlcat's future games. Also no wonder Cassia is the statue, they gave the straight boys their waifu statue again. |
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Aug 25, 2023 9:41:09 GMT
It's just... frustrating and so bad, of course they'd make the two most plot important companions straight.  I will certainly be distrustful of any of Owlcat's future games. I have been distrustful of them since the first Pathinder but they did good with the second game so I thought they changed and I even bought the first one beyond my price limit and now they do this lol I dont know if Games Workshop had anything to do with this but I really dont care, it's so disheartening that is 2023 and shit like this still happen  |
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Post by farferello on Aug 25, 2023 10:40:53 GMT
Yeah the whole reason I bought the beta/alpha access of this game despite not being a huge 40k fan was because I had trust in them after they improved romance choices in WotR. It seems I was deeply wrong to ever give them that trust. I'm mostly pissed they're just catering to the straight dude bros once again in giving them all of the female options (which they're still whining about because they want to fuck the Sister of Battle.) I'm sure once they learn Yrliet is more of an asexual/platonic romance they'll cry even harder.
With just one option my replayability for the game is gone. I don't have any interest in the available female options, so it's just one playthrough and hope for mods. (And whilst I am someone who will happily replay a game for a single romance, I usually at least have options and it's not 'well this is all I have.'
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but its always fun the anticipation of knowing the options in a gaymeee
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Hopefully things will turn out ok when the game is fully cooked.
I expected better after WotR.
also people are so fucking annoying on twitter "not playing devil's advocate but everyone is evil" fuck you Steve I dont care, I WANT OPTIONS 
I will certainly be distrustful of any of Owlcat's future games.
I will certainly be distrustful of any of Owlcat's future games.
