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Post by Davrin's boobs on Aug 25, 2023 11:45:36 GMT
Yeah the whole reason I bought the beta/alpha access of this game despite not being a huge 40k fan was because I had trust in them after they improved romance choices in WotR. It seems I was deeply wrong to ever give them that trust.  I'm so sorry  I feel you. I'm seeing people getting mad (not many mind you) but I stopped reading when there were comparisons with BG3 and "their playersexual approach" how I hate that term... Every single one of them straight or lgbt using it, urgh. Ofc straights saying that they hate it in BG3 (pretends to be shocked) and they prefer this approach, ofc you are always pandered you ****  Only hope is that the dark space elf is somehow fixable... I mean, fixable as much as its possible on this edgy universe. |
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Post by mediocreogre on Aug 26, 2023 3:27:10 GMT
I’m not an expert at Warhammer but I do know that for WoTR we might of gotten better options and rep because the Parhfinder TT module had better lgbtq rep than kingmaker.
Also paizo presumably could have encouraged more rep as they are very good at visibly putting lgbtq characters in their products.
Warhammer is… not great about lgbtq content. It’s a big deal when a non lesbian arc is the token lgbtq rep and the few m/m anything are tragic or extreme side things
I was hoping they’d do Starfinder instead but unfortunately Warhammer is a larger fan base to go for.
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Post by farferello on Aug 26, 2023 10:47:39 GMT
I just expected more from Owlcat. Leaks showed that the Space Wolf was supposed to be a romance option, probably the Imperial aligned choice considering they ruined my hopes and dreams with Heinrix, But when the Warhammer peeps nixed that idea, Owlcat just... then didn't fucking bother to change Heinrix or add in another male romance option. So instead it's back to Kingmaker days of straight guys getting all the women (then crying they didn't get Amiri, or in this case the Sister of Battle) and m/m gets one evil choice. Only this time it's even worse than Regongar because at least Regongar wasn't partly responsible for the extreme and graphic torture and abuse you and your companions go through. It's going to be difficult for many people to justify not killing Marazhai, let alone romancing him. Plus I don't even know how a romance with him would work considering Drukhari think of Humans as nothing more than cattle. They'd have to heavily re-write Act 3 (which I hope they do anyway because it's short and sucks) to make us need him more despite everything he did to us prior. I see 99% of people just outright murdering him and honestly with good reason. I see most of your companions being extremely mad about it if you spare him. I wasn't going to use Heinrix on my Criminal more Pro Xeno run but I'm salty so now I'm gonna bring him along in a party full of people he will utterly despise just so I can annoy the hell out of him. |
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Post by mediocreogre on Aug 26, 2023 13:21:29 GMT
Yeah if I Was a Warhammer expert I could say for sure but when you explore lgbtq articles about Warhammer it’s generally people begging for more content, vocalizing frustration with the franchise, or weird anti lgbtq rants. Where as DnD and Pathfinder you get statements from the products themselves committing to good lgbtq rep and cringey but exemplary pride month stuff. So I think I could hazard a guess it does not help the IP in this case is…. Still culturally in a weird place. Though I know leftist activists, especially my trans friends, who love Warhammer IRL. But they are pretty blunt that the franchise has a weird dudebro culture still. here’s like… what I’ve experienced. This article (on official Warhammer site) from this year during pride month argues it does not matter if there is lgbtq rep in Warhammer cause lgbtq rep is boring and no one cares lol and the examples of lgbtq characters are two possibly lesbian characters and for men… a fucked up organization possibly named after a tragic closeted gay man from history. link |
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Post by arjonet on Aug 27, 2023 15:53:53 GMT
So the writer for Heinrix and Marazhai is the same that wrote straight romances (Tistian and Valerie) in Kingmaker.
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Post by farferello on Aug 27, 2023 19:36:53 GMT
It doesn't surprise me they gave a non answer considering NDA but I would hope full release differs from beta because Act 3 is short and godawful. Though they're going to have to make a lot of changes to convince people not to kill Marazhai the second they get the chance considering everything he does unless they re-write all of his current content is antagonistic and awful. (I wouldn't mind as such but still, there's something very sassy and sexy about him infiltrating my Palace to sit on my throne and insult my interior decor.) The main point of ??? is that unlike WotR the beta for Rogue Trader hasn't gotten any updates except maybe bug fixes, where as WotR you could see romance content and a whole bunch of other stuff. I'm still side eyeing the game though because no matter what they do, Marazhai is STILL the only option m/m romances get, and at the end of the day he's still a murder hobo Drukhari who sees humans as cattle. Maybe that might change whilst he's with us as a companion but there's always going to be that edge to it. Still be forever salty that Heinrix is straight. No straight man has any right to recognize my Rogue Trader from his cries of pain whilst Heinrix's blinded and in pain. God there's even conversations in game that just feel flirty with him. I guess that's just for fem!RT's to enjoy.  |
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Post by arjonet on Sept 1, 2023 13:23:33 GMT
So according to community manager on Reddit, beta is roughly between 1/2 and 2/3 of full game. When are they even planning to have romance for Marazhai even?
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Post by farferello on Sept 1, 2023 15:18:14 GMT
So according to community manager on Reddit, beta is roughly between 1/2 and 2/3 of full game. When are they even planning to have romance for Marazhai even? If it plays out how it does currently he won't join you until some time in Act 3. In Beta he's only killable so I can't tell where he could join but there's a few instances that would work, either early on, or sort of half way through the Act. I just hope they make Act 3 longer and maybe make it so you get him first if only to maybe give him a larger survival rate. But if Act 3 is as short and garbage as it is currently, you'll only have Act 4/5 for anything to develop between your characters that isn't the two of you trying to kill each other. Because if the plot stays as it is currently, it's incredibly difficult to justify recruiting him. The character I have planned for him will recruit him if only because they both ended up fucked over when Marazhai's plan fell apart and he was betrayed rather fittingly considering what happens to us and just because this character frequently makes deals and interacts with Xeno's, and honestly probably found the guy attacking his Palace and sitting on his Throne before insulting its decor pretty funny.
But if you're playing an Imperial character you're likely to just blast him, which means if you want to do a pro Empire run, you don't get a romance.
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Post by farferello on Sept 3, 2023 11:39:38 GMT
The rut of daily life on a Human voidship can be unbearably dull for a creature of such different customs - and there is none more inventive in devising twisted entertainment than a bored Drukhari. Since only the Rogue Trader is worthy of any attention amid the surrounding rabble, it will not be difficult for them to attract Marazhai's special consideration. A former preything can just as easily be turned into an amusing plaything... or, if the chosen rules dictate, roles can change completely. For a reckless – or unwary – Rogue Trader willing to indulge Marazhai’s debauched nature, he has much to share on the subject of depravity and cruelty – things might just leave a permanent mark on the soul of a willing and receptive “mon-keigh”.
Whelp, hope you're into fucked up kinky shit.(I am really curious about the part I've bolded. Sounds like you can obviously be his plaything, but I'm curious about the 'roles can change' part. My Rogue Trader is very ready for him. I'm still going to mourn for the loss of Heinrix though. Mods please save me. From what I found playing around in the files with Toybox and triggering his quests, it looks like you can maybe put him on a... well, not 'better' path, considering who and what he is, but a revenge path and another path where he can take back control. It does sound like you will pick him up pretty early in Act 3 if he's joining forces with you. Probably either just before or just after you both get forced into the arena.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Sept 4, 2023 20:04:46 GMT
I'm not gonna lie, design wise dark space elf is better looking that generic white daddy, he gives me vibes of Prince Nuada but makes him goth lol but damn I hate when games dont give choices!!! Like Regongar was def the better looking one in the first Pathfinder but I hated he was the only evil option for mlm...
I will def wait for you non-spoiler review of him Far! I hope he has ·I can fix· him route, as much as you can on this edgy universe anyways lol with a bit of luck, adulting life + all the gaymes I have to play will put this game on a good discount when I buy it lol
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Post by farferello on Sept 4, 2023 20:16:08 GMT
Yeah he is definitely hot, and tall, and a sassy little shit. I am a sucker for enemies to lovers. I'm wondering how much they will change him/his story/interactions with you in full release. I kinda hope most of Act 2 stays similar with your encounters with him just because he's such a little shit.  But it does sound like his Act 3 part will deepen and possibly change when it comes to how things play out with the Arena. Haha, I will see if he has a 'I can fix him' route but I'm also wondering if he's got a 'he can make me worse' route.  |
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Post by farferello on Sept 13, 2023 13:56:02 GMT
7/12/23
That's er... slightly worryingly earlier than I expected honestly.
Maybe I'll have BG3 out of my system enough by December to play it.
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Post by mediocreogre on Sept 28, 2023 13:25:17 GMT
Here’s reporting with dev interview about the lack of lgbtq romances. Pretty clear the devs are to blame after this. They weren’t going to be creative with lgbtq characters and since Warhammer lacks lgbtq rep, they didn’t try. They really should have anticipated this and been communicative at the beginning. edit: old link keeps breaking so here’s article in both link and pastable www.thegamer.com/warhammer-40000-rogue-trader-lgbt-romance/
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Sept 28, 2023 15:49:06 GMT
lol I stopped reading at "We found the best possible in a given budget and time frame options" lmao thats why you gave straight men three options and gay men only one, it's utterly disgusting, I dont even feel buying this game at 5€ anymore "is not like we have a quota" yes you do, bitch
Edit. Lol i thought the dev saying this was the typical homophobic russian man but she is a woman from cypress... like this makes It more disappointing 🙃
edit. I meant Cyprus haha but I dont even know if she is from there, anyway fuck you!
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Post by farferello on Sept 28, 2023 17:24:58 GMT
Implementing the romances with the companions was the challenge of itself because we need to respect the lore and the restrictions that there are in the lore, and on the other hand, we wanted to make it exciting for the playerBut two out of three bi characters are both Xeno and given the circumstances 'lore wise' are more likely to be purged on the spot. Not sure what about 'lore' stopped Heinrix from being bisexual either.  Leaks suggested the Space Wolf was going to be a romance but the Warhammer peeps told them no. So instead of reworking Heinrix, they make the only m/m option the evil dude who is part responsible for getting you and yours horrifically tortured. Meanwhile straight guys get all the women as romances except the SoB. Uhuh. Reminds me of Bioware's 'it has to make sense' bullshit. I've already spent $100 on the game so there's nothing I can do about it now but hopefully mod it so my male Rogue Trader can get his grubby hands all over Heinrix some day.  I truly expected better from Owlcat after WotR but even then, originally there was only Sosiel (gay) and Lann (straight) but Kickstarter got us Daeran, and Ulbrig was dlc. Even so. Expected better. Will not be so quick to jump on their games in the future that's for sure.
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Post by mediocreogre on Sept 28, 2023 21:26:47 GMT
Its obvious that “romances develop characters in personal ways” is basically the old bioware adage that sexuality had to make sense. Like really, Warhammer has zero reason to not have tons of gay characters. There’s really nothing in the lore. It’s just the evil demon god thing (I don’t know Warhammer lore off the top of my head) was edgy and in the past was the only time you’d get hints of gay sexuality but not cause Warhammer society or cultures were anti lgbtq. It was the bias of the writers. As it is now. Any sexualityo identity can make sense if you are creative. They weren’t. Amazing they use lack of creative backbone as a defense and then want us to applaud lack of creativity as meaningful. Bizarre.
it’s why I hoped Owlcat would make more pathfinder games. All pathfinder adventure modules have lgbtq people everywhere.
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Post by milanawalters on Oct 2, 2023 0:52:59 GMT
Implementing the romances with the companions was the challenge of itself because we need to respect the lore and the restrictions that there are in the lore, and on the other hand, we wanted to make it exciting for the playerBut two out of three bi characters are both Xeno and given the circumstances 'lore wise' are more likely to be purged on the spot. Not sure what about 'lore' stopped Heinrix from being bisexual either. Leaks suggested the Space Wolf was going to be a romance but the Warhammer peeps told them no. So instead of reworking Heinrix, they make the only m/m option the evil dude who is part responsible for getting you and yours horrifically tortured. Meanwhile straight guys get all the women as romances except the SoB. Uhuh. Reminds me of Bioware's 'it has to make sense' bullshit. I've already spent $100 on the game so there's nothing I can do about it now but hopefully mod it so my male Rogue Trader can get his grubby hands all over Heinrix some day. I truly expected better from Owlcat after WotR but even then, originally there was only Sosiel (gay) and Lann (straight) but Kickstarter got us Daeran, and Ulbrig was dlc. Even so. Expected better. Will not be so quick to jump on their games in the future that's for sure. Spent how much?! Omg how rich are you 😅 |
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Oct 3, 2023 8:40:49 GMT
I'm reading Rogue Trader's reddit and I'm surprised how people asking for better rep, especially mlm are upvoted, but damn isnt that a cesspit of straights throwing numbers and stadistics to make us feel unwanted, "why would you ask for equality when you are 2% population, source: my ass" fuck you Steve But it still doesnt make sense to me how can you screw things up so bad after doing great (not awesome though) in WotR and how can you give the excuse of budget when you have straight people being able to romance every possible option, I'm so tired is 2023 and we keep getting this bullshit from devs, hope Dreadwolf is akin to BG3 or Starfield positive vibes when it comes to romance and there wont be salt mines  |
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Post by arjonet on Oct 3, 2023 11:55:30 GMT
But it still doesnt make sense to me how can you screw things up so bad after doing great (not awesome though) in WotR and how can you give the excuse of budget when you have straight people being able to romance every possible option As I got writers that wrote queer romances for WotR did not wrote for this game and worked on Pathfinder DLCs |
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Oct 3, 2023 12:05:27 GMT
As I got writers that wrote queer romances for WotR did not wrote for this game and worked on Pathfinder DLCs Ahh that clarifies things  one could think that every franchise under the umbrella of the same developer should follow the same kind of treatment but then again we have Dragon Age team and Mass Effect team having different priorities  |
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I feel you. I'm seeing people getting mad (not many mind you) but I stopped reading when there were comparisons with BG3 and "their playersexual approach" how I hate that term... Every single one of them straight or lgbt using it, urgh. Ofc straights saying that they hate it in BG3 (pretends to be shocked) and they prefer this approach, ofc you are always pandered you **** 
But it does sound like his Act 3 part will deepen and possibly change when it comes to how things play out with the Arena.
one could think that every franchise under the umbrella of the same developer should follow the same kind of treatment but then again we have Dragon Age team and Mass Effect team having different priorities 
Much love right back at ya!
