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Post by mediocreogre on Oct 3, 2023 12:44:15 GMT
Sosiel at least was depicted in a m/m relationship in the TT all the way back in 2013 and Irbeth and Anevia. There are tons of others in the source material. like here’s a pathfinder employee giving a detailed, but incomplete list, of all the lgbtq rep they’ve done back then and it’s just so different than how other companies would answer such a question. link
so there’s also the convenient excuse of moving from a franchise that loved putting lgbtq characters in prominent places and in the lore itself, to a franchise that thinks hinting a character might kinda sorta be a lesbian in one line in 2020 is good rep. and I know I have seen discussions about Owlcat being cold on doing more pathfinder in the future, but that could be because of the ongoing DnD new open gaming license drama and pathfinder moving to a new license (only for new adventure paths which use different rules than the two Owlcat games). But if Owlcat does more Warhammer I hope everyone remembers to bully them from day one to not do this again.
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Post by farferello on Nov 16, 2023 5:20:07 GMT
This lil shit is going to ruin me. Saying that line whilst sat on my Throne. I can't not fuck him.
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Post by nickclark89 on Nov 16, 2023 7:37:43 GMT
This lil shit is going to ruin me. Saying that line whilst sat on my Throne. I can't not fuck him. his dick is big I just know it
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Post by farferello on Nov 19, 2023 10:06:37 GMT
From what I've been able to see from the co op run that has been streaming along with achievement leaks, it looks like the game is set to be a prologue plus 4 chapters. Marazhai you don't pick up until at least mid Act 3 (and if act 3 is as short in full release as it is in the Beta, then it's very short and you'd not have him for long in Act 3.) As such, I'm kind of expecting the romance to be a half assed fling or something unless chapter 4 is super huge and there's a ton of character development in just one chapter. :/ There are romance achievements initiating a romance, and 'finding your true love' and I'm honestly expecting him to not trigger the latter achievement. I know I'm being pessimistic, but everyone else will probably get to start their romances much earlier - though given the setting, calling it 'romance' might not be the correct term, but it feels that way when one of the achievements is literally about 'found your true love.' Maybe I'm just being salty but I'm preparing myself for the worst. It just sucks that one of the romance options, and the only m/m option joins you so late, and is a seriously hard sell for most people to not blam him on the spot. I want to be hopeful but I'm feeling like I'm going to get burned. Either way I'll be sure to update you all, though it's probably going to take me a while to reach Act 3. I also need to hope that there's no bugs because the people doing the co op stream couldn't even reach the point where they could meet/recruit him because there was a game breaking portal bug that prevented them from doing so.
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Post by farferello on Nov 19, 2023 15:34:49 GMT
As I've been sharing with Nick, the streamer who got stuck prior was able to get things working so I've seen more Marazhai content. It looks like you can just threaten to kill him, take a 'enemy of my enemy' approach, or take a more 'we both got fucked over, let's help each other out' recruitment approach. The rest of your companions are not amused. It also looks like you can demand he not call you a 'mon-keigh' and he actually tries to call you by name (he does mess up because it's second nature to call you that, but he does correct himself.) On my first run I'm probably not going to demand that he not call me that just because I want to see if he will eventually start calling you by your name without you making him do so. My Criminal would probably not care about the name insult, and I really do want to see if he will call you by name eventually by himself. Pretty sure I've also seen what could kick off the flirtation with him. Also, his armour appears to just be bolted into his skin rather than attached to anything. So er... yeah. XD He also seems to have survived Owlcat's autobuild options and seems to come with pretty good skills and abilities which is a first as some of the companions you pick up later, have pretty garbage autobuilds for them (and no respec unless you mod.) I'm still pissed about Heinrix and will mod him, but I am excited for the hot mess of a romance that murder husbando is going to be.
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Post by farferello on Dec 8, 2023 0:58:14 GMT
I haven't gotten far, combat takes a long time and there's a lot of reading. However, despite the mod not being fully updated, it looks like the 'everyone is bi' option in Toybox is working as it opened up the flirts with Heinrix, and you guys have no idea how hard it was for me to resist taking them. Speaking of, looks like Heinrix has two romantic path types. Curious about the different paths. Before this I had another Devil option I didn't take after Heinrix gifted my Rogue Trader what was essentially a translator and I had the option to say it was an unusual gift for a first love token. I'm guessing Devil is either a corruption/more lustful option, whilst Closeness is more romantic? IDK. I'll find out after I take this character through. I've still got to finish Act 1 but soooon Marazhai will make his appearance. I'll keep you all up to date.
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Post by farferello on Dec 10, 2023 22:09:27 GMT
Murder husbando has been acquired. I've no idea about his redeemability yet, I am still in the den of murder hobo's but uh, the flirting is going well. So from what I'm seeing his romance can go two ways either you're the dominating one, or he is. I am full aboard the train wreck that is letting him be in control, so I will let y'all know when he turns my Rogue Trader into a chair.
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Post by Scottphoto on Dec 11, 2023 2:48:22 GMT
Murder husbando has been acquired. I've no idea about his redeemability yet, I am still in the den of murder hobo's but uh, the flirting is going well. So from what I'm seeing his romance can go two ways either you're the dominating one, or he is. I am full aboard the train wreck that is letting him be in control, so I will let y'all know when he turns my Rogue Trader into a chair. Oh that's really good that you have the option there at least. But wow yeah that's getting heated already.
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Post by farferello on Dec 11, 2023 20:43:36 GMT
I think I accidentally made him submissive, thinking the dialogue options were referring to *my* character. And it's just... weird that me allowing him to use his whip on my character instead of making him do it on himself, and not pulling away from him is somehow considered for *him* to be the submissive one. I triggered the romance scene, the first one he pretty much showed up and offered pleasure but surprise, it wasn't with him but whatever random description I picked. I took the 'yeah no I don't want this gift' because I didn't wanna bang some woman, and he got mad so I reloaded but then it didn't trigger (it triggers after a warp jump,) instead I got a different scene where he came to my chambers, and he was all submissive about asking me to join him in his 'you wanted to get to know me better' thing - if I took the submissive option asking him to guide me he got pouty that I was ruining the game - if I took the 'ask properly' option he kneeled and asked me nicely and then we murdered a bunch of my own crew before falling into bed together and cutting and stabbing the shit out of each other. It's weird because I think I only had three times where I could take the submissive/dominant dialogue choices. I am.. so confused honestly. I may reload and take other options to see if anything changes but ugh that's so much to replay. Also, first warp jump on the ship he murders a ton of your ship crew because the warp drives him batshit and he needs to revel in torture and pain to strive off his soul being sucked up like a slurpee. Though it wouldn't surprise me if some plot flags are messed up considering I've had a few incredibly annoying bugs including one where I needed to force recruit the Space Wolf because the dialogue option from him and the guy holding him captive, just never triggered.
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Post by farferello on Dec 12, 2023 6:01:14 GMT
So it looks like I was accidentally setting Marazhai up toward a submissive path this entire time without realizing. Which is baffling because our first two interactions, it felt like the options were switched. How does letting him use his electric whip on me make him submissive? There's weirdness, because some of the 'dominant' options has him acting subservient also, though from what he has told me before about Drukhari things it sort of makes sense? idk. I just know that if I take (dominant) flagged options now, he gets all sulky at me. For example in one of the main quests he made a comment about switching sides to a different Rogue Trader just to see my reaction. If I take the Dominant option here which is my character pleading with him, it's obvious he's not happy, but if you take the 'did I give you permission to speak' he falls in line. I am so damn confused as to what it happening in this romance. I guess I'm stuck on this path now as he reacts badly if I try to take any Dominant based options. We still murder someone together every time we sleep together so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I guess I will see how badly this all ends and then reload my chapter 3 save when I first got him to try the opposite choices.
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Post by arjonet on Dec 12, 2023 16:40:09 GMT
Did some data mining and if it is everything that it's even worse that I was expected. Those who wanted some redemption for Marazhai can forget about it. I would not even call it a romance, and it's just about sex. You can't even really romance him if you not into some bloody murders and orgies in this blood. And if you will romance him you character basically becomes a maniac like Marazhai. And all other romances are sweet and cool, and here with Marazhai it's this. So I will look if they will add romanceble male companion in DLC, but so far for it's a big fat no.
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Post by farferello on Dec 12, 2023 21:01:20 GMT
Can confirm. I was looking into files for endings and other things because I've had some bugs with him (I've missed out on a few 'romance' dialogue flags because a dialogue never triggered for me) and you have to stick with a path it looks like, otherwise he gets upset at you for ruining his 'game.' Also there's a point where he wants to show who belongs to whom by burning a brand into your neck. If he's submissive then you do it to him, otherwise he does it to you. Also if you reject too many of his things he likes - possibly even any of them - it looks like he dumps your ass. But yeah, from what I can see in the files, it's just sex. Which, I get it, he's Drukhari, they don't have ~love~ just domination and submission and playing roles, he refuses to kiss after you bang, and every time you bang there's a corpse at the foot of your bed but it's kind of shit that's your only option for an m/m romance. Just playing through it, my Iconoclast good boy RT is doing depraved, out of character things to please him and from what I've seen I'm about to add cannibalism to that list. Whelp, embracing the fuckedupness, I've gone this far. Will just say his PTSD from his Darkest Hour super fucked him up. Also, as far as I can tell he leaves you at the end, either with his Kabal or just in general. Though right now his act 4 quest seems buggy for me because I can't seem to continue it. That said, some companions I've just not had their act 4 companion quest trigger at all. In Act 3 I had to mod flags so I could get Ulfar because the conversation with him and the guy who held him captive, just never triggered for me to ask for his release. Which is crazy when that worked fine in beta. It's a shame because Heinrix has some really sweet scenes in his romance from what I've seen and not only that but he's also pretty if you go Heretic. It's like... super romantic in a fucked up kinda way. So I'm still salty we didn't get him. I will reload at some point to early act 3 because my RT is on Marazhai's submissive path instead of his domination path and I kinda wanna see what he does with you at the end of the game if you're wearing his brand. Though it wouldn't surprise me if he still fucks off without you anyway. I didn't really expect to 'make him better' considering he is a Drukhari but... idk. I hoped for something else considering he is the only m/m romance.
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Post by nickclark89 on Dec 12, 2023 21:23:54 GMT
yep i'm not buying this shitty game ever lol fuck you Owlcat games...
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Post by farferello on Dec 14, 2023 22:10:01 GMT
I brute forced my way through Marazhai's Act 5 quest which partially broke on me half way through. Thank god for Toybox force starting stuff. I then got his uh... main? ultimate? romance scene in the following warp jump. I nearly had a mutiny on my hands. Yeah, you can't fix him. He will make you worse, so much worse. And it's even more fucked up because my RT is rank 4 Iconoclast, gooder than the goodest of boys. I guess from a Drukhari perspective what happened was considered 'romantic.' I also don't know if it's because the cutscene possibly finished prematurely or because Marazhai announced them equals but I never got the branding scene. So who knows. But yeah, idk who this romance is for. Dogmatic will shoot him, Icono is good boy and won't do the heinous shit he wants (unless you're me and already invested too much to back out) and if you're Heretical he leaves your ass at the end so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Big spoilers for the romance. So ah... yeah. Though even if we had gotten Heinrix, he only seems to get a good romance ending if you go Heretic and corrupt him.
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Post by farferello on Dec 15, 2023 18:03:17 GMT
I finished the game as Iconoclast and got the good boy ending - for the most part. The Imperium branded me a Heretic because of my good boy ideals but it worked out for me in the end ha. Same can't be said for some of my companions. In the epilogue slides, within several years of the game ending (if not sooner) I had at least four of them die because of the paths I'd pushed them toward (I thought I was doing a good thing with them.) Ulfar, Pasqal, Cassia, and Jae seemed okay enough, Yrliet also I'm pretty sure - murder husbando Marazhai was utterly thriving however. Though I was pretty horrified at something he did during his epilogue Abelard I am so sorry but he and my Rogue Trader were just... murderous power couple and utterly thriving so... yay for them I guess. I'm going to wait for patches before I do anymore runs, the final boss was bugged to fuck for me because of an immortality buff the boss before him had, got transferred to the final boss somehow, and the only way I could stop the final boss being immortal was to reload and ally with the prior one rather than fighting him. (Not that the decision mattered in the long run but it was still incredibly annoying.) Once Toybox has the everyone is bi setting fully working I'm going to do a Heretical, Heinrix romance run buck break corrupt him, and also use the no jealousy mod to include Marazhai, and just go full Heretic. Because the Rogue Trader and Heinrix get a better romance ending together if he's corrupted than they do if he's not. Though I will also eventually do another Icono run for Heinrix because I have a Psyker planned for him, even if the romance epilogue isn't as good.
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Post by farferello on Dec 28, 2023 19:07:56 GMT
I've been doing a Heinrix run with the 'love is free' mod from Toybox and wow, his romance is night and day to Marazhai's. It's slow burn but very sweet so far, and I've also not had any gendered options in the flirts either. (I am aware that if you take the unhinged horny flirt asking about his type, he will mention a woman, but as I didn't take that option, there's zero inclination about him just liking woman other than me obviously needing a mod to trigger it so far. This so easily could have worked if he was bi ) I'm not too far into the game yet but we've had a few sweet moments together discussing his past and he has taught my Rogue Trader Regicide (something like chess) and when you ask to spend time together, currently it's him continuing to teach you how to play which is very cute. I did however, after our last flirt get a kiss on the hand which was endearing. (He does react differently to you if you've been taking the 'sweeter' flirts over the 'horny' flirts. So ya know, things could go differently - I do plan to do two runs for him, one mostly 'closeness' based and the other taking the 'devil' (aka horny) flirts to see the difference. I know the romance is made for straight woman but idk, there's something very charming about his romance still with a male character. They could have easily made him an m/m romance option because I don't feel like anything would need to be changed currently unless idk, you think it's too feminizing to get your hand kissed. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I just find it a nice contrast compared to the 0-100000 murder hoboing bloody orgy that Marazhai's is.
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