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Post by * on Dec 9, 2018 20:19:45 GMT
Made 3 screencaps in MEA on xbox one x and yeah, it looks awesome Maybe I'll actually play it from the beginning to an end again... One day, when AC Odyssey and Mass Effect Trilogy will release me from their lovely grasps  Yea it was on sale on the x and I decided to pick it up. Gonna give the peebes romance a shot since I hear its actually pretty sweet. Plus gonna give vanguard a shot, liking it so far. |
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Post by izut on Dec 9, 2018 21:54:09 GMT
Made 3 screencaps in MEA on xbox one x and yeah, it looks awesome Maybe I'll actually play it from the beginning to an end again... One day, when AC Odyssey and Mass Effect Trilogy will release me from their lovely grasps Yea it was on sale on the x and I decided to pick it up. Gonna give the peebes romance a shot since I hear its actually pretty sweet. Plus gonna give vanguard a shot, liking it so far. Peebs is awesome! So is Jaal. I should finally romance him but it's so hard to resist blue... |
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 17, 2018 1:19:35 GMT
Yea it was on sale on the x and I decided to pick it up. Gonna give the peebes romance a shot since I hear its actually pretty sweet. Plus gonna give vanguard a shot, liking it so far. Peebs is awesome! So is Jaal. I should finally romance him but it's so hard to resist blue... Yeah, I think about romancing Jaal but then Scotty finds himself making out with Reyes or staring into some ginger's eyes. Or, back before the glitch was fixed, both of those things. |
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Dec 17, 2018 2:13:21 GMT
I really just can't fully warm up to the Jaal romance. I'm not sure if it's just my anxiety with regards to the 'meeting the family' scene, because I can feel myself going into overload just watching that, and it's not even happening to me physically, or just some kind of lingering discomfort on the basis of how Jaal is basically one of those 'bisexual in practice, but gives no indication of it through dialogue' romances, which I'm tired of, considering how this is the default treatment of bisexual romances, or even just the simple fact that I'd fallen in love with Gil (plus the bitterness about how we were promised improvements to the male romances PLURAL for male Ryder, and never got more than just bi!Jaal, while leaving us with the homophobic mess of Gil's story)...
I don't regret for a moment fighting for it, and I'm happy for everyone who is happy with it (Hi, Lee!), but... Just not for me.
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Post by Lee on Dec 17, 2018 2:46:12 GMT
 It's not a huge game changer, but my dear friend BansheeOwnage pointed it out to me, but Jaal does actually flirt with a guy in the post game.  It's Hunter Kerry that's part of the second wave leadership. He has excellent taste. I'd hit that! |
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 17, 2018 6:23:07 GMT
It's not a huge game changer, but my dear friend BansheeOwnage pointed it out to me, but Jaal does actually flirt with a guy in the post game. Was it always there or not until Jaal not being bi was corrected? |
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Post by Lee on Dec 17, 2018 15:05:25 GMT
It's not a huge game changer, but my dear friend BansheeOwnage pointed it out to me, but Jaal does actually flirt with a guy in the post game. Was it always there or not until Jaal not being bi was corrected? I really don't know, honestly! |
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 17, 2018 18:32:57 GMT
Was it always there or not until Jaal not being bi was corrected? I really don't know, honestly! It would be interesting to know given BW's claim that Jaal was never meant to be bi. This, despite people looking into the code (data mining?) and found bi Jaal there. He may not have been voiced but it was there.
Side note: Given Kaidan was fully voiced for s/s romance, they only had to make some minor changes to allow the romance to go forward.
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Post by Lee on Dec 18, 2018 3:43:21 GMT
I really don't know, honestly! It would be interesting to know given BW's claim that Jaal was never meant to be bi. This, despite people looking into the code (data mining?) and found bi Jaal there. He may not have been voiced but it was there.
Side note: Given Kaidan was fully voiced for s/s romance, they only had to make some minor changes to allow the romance to go forward.
I'm quite curious to know how it all played out as well. Part of me wonders if maybe that code that we found was actually the beginnings of them starting the process of making him bisexual-because they knew they had to do so based on the feedback they were getting from the LGBT and supporter fans. They knew we would be upset about no squadmate romance, and thus they started the process. It would still leave them discarding us either way, but slightly less annoying than thinking they made the content then cut it. -shrug- It's too bad they never really talk about such things. Either way, I'm glad that Jaal was given to all players that want to romance him, and also glad that in a way he's actually a better bi representation than many of the bi romances out there since at least he does have one flirt with a male. Most of them seem to be straight with a weakness for the player character. Mind you it still could be much much better, in particular, I hate that the dev's obsession with Peebee leaked into the Jaal content. So annoying. Thankfully it's mostly her being obsessed with him. |
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Dec 18, 2018 4:11:06 GMT
It would be interesting to know given BW's claim that Jaal was never meant to be bi. This, despite people looking into the code (data mining?) and found bi Jaal there. He may not have been voiced but it was there.
Side note: Given Kaidan was fully voiced for s/s romance, they only had to make some minor changes to allow the romance to go forward.
I'm quite curious to know how it all played out as well. Part of me wonders if maybe that code that we found was actually the beginnings of them starting the process of making him bisexual-because they knew they had to do so based on the feedback they were getting from the LGBT and supporter fans. They knew we would be upset about no squadmate romance, and thus they started the process. It would still leave them discarding us either way, but slightly less annoying than thinking they made the content then cut it. -shrug- It's too bad they never really talk about such things. Either way, I'm glad that Jaal was given to all players that want to romance him, and also glad that in a way he's actually a better bi representation than many of the bi romances out there since at least he does have one flirt with a male. Most of them seem to be straight with a weakness for the player character. Mind you it still could be much much better, in particular, I hate that the dev's obsession with Peebee leaked into the Jaal content. So annoying. Thankfully it's mostly her being obsessed with him. My opinion of things - things we will likely never know because of NDAs that are in place until the heat death of the universe - has always been that there was someone pushing for it on staff, being overruled by the same people who were arguing for Suvi to be bi. And that they were incredibly happy when the fan reaction was such that demanded it be put back in. You know, I honestly like Peebee as a character. But it's obvious that the priority was made to her and Cora as romantic rivals (for a given value of the term, considering there isn't really any mechanic in the game that acknowledges the player flirting with multiple romance options), given the fact that the two of them have the most content of any companion. Someone on Reddit did a comparison, and Peebee gets like an hour of content, and Cora gets fifty minutes. Comparatively, Gil gets twenty, and Reyes has like thirty, and Vetra in between both groups with about forty. (This was written up pre-patch, and I think they were just focused on Bro!Ryder content, so no numbers of the other romances.) That's why the whole baby arc falls flat with Gil, there's no actual arc, just the mechanics of plot maneuvering to justify him getting from point A to conclusion C, and, whoops, left out characterization B. With Peebee and Cora getting the most content overall, that puts them into a more prominent position with the players, because they have more time to grow and develop on screen in interactions. Gil is just THERE most of the time - he's not in any group scenes except as a non-speaking cameo aside from the ending when Ryder emerges from the heart of Meridian. Ultimately, what this ends up being is that the writers have favorites. Not really surprising, people have biases and all. But in cases like this, where they're writing characters as romances, it becomes clear who the favorites are, and the problem is that it DOES show in the romances. Gil was written by a writer who, at most, didn't really care enough about him in comparison to whoever else he was writing (I believe it was only Peebee, but I don't know for sure). Which would have been fine if Gil weren't also a romance, one confined to the ship - he NEEDED the extra love and care and attention, because he wasn't going out in the field with Ryder, didn't have a loyalty mission to showcase his characterization and advancement. Instead, he just gets the super rushed baby plot that legitimately plays out with all the passion of a math equation, you can see the gears turning to advance him in each position of the story, rather than it growing and evolving naturally. And, going back to 'Peebee and Cora as romantic rivals' thing, both of them represent two VERY familiar archetypes in terms of romance - Peebee's the standard variant of the flighty fun outsider who jumps and joins the party for a sense of adventure, the romance who jumps at the chance for adventure and settles down with Our Hero, while Cora is your standard 'I trained for years and now an untrained guy takes the position I am more qualified now I want to kiss him' type of character you see in so many stories... With them as the dueling "main" romance options, everyone else is shortchanged to varying degrees, because those were the ones that were cared about and given priority. Seriously, people. Stop trying to appeal to the cis straight dudebros. Odds are you won't draw them in with the company's reputation ANYWAY, given that BioWare has so often said (and admittedly not lived up to, but...) that they make games for everyone, and they're increasingly less the majority audience anyway. *sighs* I needed a good rant. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 18, 2018 4:30:36 GMT
I'm quite curious to know how it all played out as well. Part of me wonders if maybe that code that we found was actually the beginnings of them starting the process of making him bisexual-because they knew they had to do so based on the feedback they were getting from the LGBT and supporter fans. They knew we would be upset about no squadmate romance, and thus they started the process. It would still leave them discarding us either way, but slightly less annoying than thinking they made the content then cut it. -shrug- It's too bad they never really talk about such things. The story is always "they were going to but ran out of time". Translation = bottom of the priorities list. Someone was telling me the same was intended with Cullen but there's nothing in the code to justify it. Fortunately, we have enterprising modders. |
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Post by Lee on Dec 18, 2018 5:20:58 GMT
I'm quite curious to know how it all played out as well. Part of me wonders if maybe that code that we found was actually the beginnings of them starting the process of making him bisexual-because they knew they had to do so based on the feedback they were getting from the LGBT and supporter fans. They knew we would be upset about no squadmate romance, and thus they started the process. It would still leave them discarding us either way, but slightly less annoying than thinking they made the content then cut it. -shrug- It's too bad they never really talk about such things. The story is always "they were going to but ran out of time". Translation = bottom of the priorities list. Someone was telling me the same was intended with Cullen but there's nothing in the code to justify it. Fortunately, we have enterprising modders. I remember someone found an audio file of male-only romance options saying they won't date the inquisitor since he is with Cullen. So there was a little evidence at least, and I'm still curious to know what all went down with that choice. It's so annoying either way. |
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Dec 18, 2018 5:23:22 GMT
The story is always "they were going to but ran out of time". Translation = bottom of the priorities list. Someone was telling me the same was intended with Cullen but there's nothing in the code to justify it. Fortunately, we have enterprising modders. I remember someone found an audio file of male-only romance options saying they won't date the inquisitor since he is with Cullen. So there was a little evidence at least, and I'm still curious to know what all went down with that choice. It's so annoying either way. Also video compilations of the modded romance with the male Inquisitor have Inquisitor voice files from the final scene on the balcony, at least from the British Inquisitor. And lordie, don't even START me on Cullen again, I've already ranted once tonight, and that at least was on a character in Andromeda, rather than from another franchise... |
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 18, 2018 6:43:43 GMT
I remember someone found an audio file of male-only romance options saying they won't date the inquisitor since he is with Cullen. So there was a little evidence at least, and I'm still curious to know what all went down with that choice. It's so annoying either way. Also video compilations of the modded romance with the male Inquisitor have Inquisitor voice files from the final scene on the balcony, at least from the British Inquisitor. And lordie, don't even START me on Cullen again, I've already ranted once tonight, and that at least was on a character in Andromeda, rather than from another franchise... Wait, a Cullen/mInk is unvoiced for the entire game except that one final scene on the balcony? |
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Post by Lee on Dec 18, 2018 7:49:24 GMT
I remember someone found an audio file of male-only romance options saying they won't date the inquisitor since he is with Cullen. So there was a little evidence at least, and I'm still curious to know what all went down with that choice. It's so annoying either way. Also video compilations of the modded romance with the male Inquisitor have Inquisitor voice files from the final scene on the balcony, at least from the British Inquisitor. And lordie, don't even START me on Cullen again, I've already ranted once tonight, and that at least was on a character in Andromeda, rather than from another franchise... interesting. I really want to know if Cullen's voice actor rejected doing the romance with male pc. |
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Dec 18, 2018 12:41:10 GMT
I totally trust Caravaggio's word and I'm sure they did that to content their straight male audience, having a m/m squadmate was apparently too much for fragile masculinity.  The story is always "they were going to but ran out of time". Translation = bottom of the priorities list. Someone was telling me the same was intended with Cullen but there's nothing in the code to justify it. Fortunately, we have enterprising modders. I remember someone found an audio file of male-only romance options saying they won't date the inquisitor since he is with Cullen. So there was a little evidence at least, and I'm still curious to know what all went down with that choice. It's so annoying either way. that was Dorian! |
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Post by mediocreogre on Dec 18, 2018 17:00:18 GMT
Maybe I am developing dimentia but I pretty clearly remember people back before trespasser saying that some devs implied both Solas and Cullen were floated as bisexual options. Solas became hetero only to avoid the “deranged bisexual trope” ,which is funny to me because the deranged bisexual trope goes hand in hand with promiscuity, a proclivity to violence and betrayal, and occasional substance abuse problems *cough* Iron Bull *cough*. Solas being bi would have definitely been a trope, but most likely the all elves are gay trope not the deranged bisexual trope.
As for Cullen I believe we never got a reason why but his being bi was scrapped very, very early. Which with Iron Bull being made available to all male/female races rather late in development, kind of sets the stage for Andromeda at launch being a scrap fest for m/m content as there was a version of DAI where a male dwarf may have only been able to romance Dorian even after Solas and Cullen were added (which was a very last minute hetero addition which flies under the radar largely because it was an addition that benefited female players, which is good, rather than most devs who would have added 2 lady romances last minute (andromeda with those weird side romances)).. I know Edmonton team is pretty good in terms of LGBTQ rep, but I still see issues at the roots even if I generally feel positive about The DA team in terms of LGBTQ content and especially being good to their female players.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 19, 2018 20:47:56 GMT
Since there was a ton of bisexuality in DA2, scrapping a lot of it in DAI made no sense. Was there that much backlash about it?
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Post by * on Dec 19, 2018 22:10:38 GMT
Since there was a ton of bisexuality in DA2, scrapping a lot of it in DAI made no sense. Was there that much backlash about it? I believe people didn't like the all bi route because reasons such as not realistic etc. |
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Dec 19, 2018 23:46:10 GMT
Since there was a ton of bisexuality in DA2, scrapping a lot of it in DAI made no sense. Was there that much backlash about it? Oh god yes. You wouldn't believe (actually you probably would) the whining about "four bisexuals? That's SO unrealistic!" EVERY thread. You know, because it's not like queer people come together in groups, like penguins huddling together for warm against the cold, cruel heteronormative world. And there was the whining about Anders being "made" bisexual when he only ever commented about women in Awakening. It was "shoving a political agenda down throats" and rubbish like that. Granted, it wasn't help by BioWare initially being reluctant to acknowledge them as bisexual - they hemmed and hawed and offered them as "playersexual," with an argument along the lines of '[LI] can be gay in one person's game, and straight in another!' Mercifully, they later backtracked and acknowledged "they're bisexual, end of story," but the damage had been done. It basically seems that the attitude is "well, that was a disaster, let's not do that again," rather than treating it as a learning experience of "commit to calling these characters bisexual right from the start." |
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