|
|
Post by farferello on Aug 9, 2017 20:58:15 GMT
stolen from cole-saberhagen tumblr, still re: iokath traitor.   1. bio planned it all along 2. bye lana i predict u the same future. Ugh. I guess they want a full set of killing off all the bi characters it took them so many years to introduce. They mustn't like money for the amount of people I see unsubbing. Though part of me doesn't see them doing the same to Lana, she's the favourite waifu.  |
|
|
|
Post by farferello on Aug 9, 2017 20:59:51 GMT
I'm just really hoping this is all just an epic level of deception so he can go under cover. It's still bullshit to play with the player and their character's hearts with this shitstain story, but I'd rather that than the alternative of him truly being a full on traitor trying to murder us because he thinks that even the lightest of light characters is suddenly some oppressor. Like, having to choose between the Republic and the Empire wasn't MY idea. I wanted to stay with just the Alliance but noooo, Bioware didn't allow it and somehow we're being punished for it. You're gonna look good on that throne, my ass.  None of my characters wanted the damn throne, they'd have given it back to a redeemed Arcann or blown it up if they had the option. But if it's anything like what they originally planned for KOTFE/KOTET they're gonna do their best to drag this out, so what happens to the characters who had him at the highest influence? They've just lost one of their best and possibly favourite companion. If they can do this to a staple, fan favourite, one of two a lot of people thought were in untouchable plot armour, I dread to think about the other companion returns. What did they originally plan for KOTFE/KOTET? Also, can someone explain why those two were split? The story is in no way complete by KOTFE so why name the second half as a completely different story? Apparently they originally intended it to go on longer with more focus on returning companions like the chapters - but as people whined about the monthly chapters they condensed everything quickly to end in KOTET which is why it seems so short and kinda rushed. So I can see them dragging out this traitor bullshit instead. |
|
|
|
Post by Vallerie on Aug 9, 2017 21:02:44 GMT
stolen from cole-saberhagen tumblr, still re: iokath traitor. 1. bio planned it all along 2. bye lana i predict u the same future. Ugh. I guess they want a full set of killing off all the bi characters it took them so many years to introduce. They mustn't like money for the amount of people I see unsubbing. Though part of me doesn't see them doing the same to Lana, she's the favourite waifu. *hugs Lana protectively*
*says with tears gathering at corners of her eyes* Lana would never do that, right Lana? |
|
|
|
Post by farferello on Aug 9, 2017 22:19:17 GMT
I think another thing that pisses me off - Even if all of this is some deep, deep under cover stuff and it turns out Theron is still on our side, I expect Bioware will give Darksiders the option to kill him, which means he joins Koth in having no content from now on as a romance option/in general because some might kill them. So now that's all their m/m options just trashed.
Like, I totally want more m/m options for sure, but not if it means trashing the two we already have. |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 12:13:37 GMT
Since I will likely never know if Reyes will betray me, bioware decided I experienced that in some other form. Fun! But at least in Andromeda I like Gil and Jaal. Here I don't think im interested in the other options but we'll see I guess. Well according to brother Ash, MAJOR MEA CUT CONTENT SPOILERSthere was code in MEA for a romanced Jaal to dump Ryder after Meridian. I don't remember the context exactly but something about him needing to go find out more about the Angara's history in the wake of the Jaardan reveal. Bioware really seems to enjoy having the male love interests leave "for the good" of the PC. I can only recall Morrigan as a female LI leaving the PC, and then there was an entire frikkin DLC devoted to reuniting her with the player. What did they originally plan for KOTFE/KOTET? Also, can someone explain why those two were split? The story is in no way complete by KOTFE so why name the second half as a completely different story? Apparently they originally intended it to go on longer with more focus on returning companions like the chapters - but as people whined about the monthly chapters they condensed everything quickly to end in KOTET which is why it seems so short and kinda rushed. So I can see them dragging out this traitor bullshit instead. TBH I felt the story went on long enough, especially since it felt like "fight Arcann/Vaylin, they escape for some reason, they kill someone, rinse repeat" from about halfway through the story. It felt like a television show where they have to pad out the season before the finale rather than a film where every action counts and is relevant to the plot. I think another thing that pisses me off - Even if all of this is some deep, deep under cover stuff and it turns out Theron is still on our side, I expect Bioware will give Darksiders the option to kill him, which means he joins Koth in having no content from now on as a romance option/in general because some might kill them. So now that's all their m/m options just trashed.
Like, I totally want more m/m options for sure, but not if it means trashing the two we already have. Austin has shot itself in the foot because I think the companions are one of the most popular aspects of the game, but there are so many of them because of all the classes and then the newer companions, that it's impossible to incorporate them all. They bit off more than they could chew and now have no idea how to shoehorn everyone in for a cameo. |
|
Ash
Grizzled Warrior
Embraced It
shiny cat
Posts: 252 
Likes: 835
|
Post by Ash on Aug 10, 2017 12:49:15 GMT
Ready to confirm about that spoiler btw. I think I still have screenshots of said data, can try to dig it up. It was either half-baked DLC or major cut content. Included Meridian as an explorable planet with memory triggers, some long dialogue with Evfra and Moshae involved and Jaal breaking up with you.
Saw literally not a single thing implying you can avoid it. |
|
|
|
Post by farferello on Aug 10, 2017 12:59:04 GMT
Since I will likely never know if Reyes will betray me, bioware decided I experienced that in some other form. Fun! But at least in Andromeda I like Gil and Jaal. Here I don't think im interested in the other options but we'll see I guess. Well according to brother Ash , MAJOR MEA CUT CONTENT SPOILERSthere was code in MEA for a romanced Jaal to dump Ryder after Meridian. I don't remember the context exactly but something about him needing to go find out more about the Angara's history in the wake of the Jaardan reveal. Bioware really seems to enjoy having the male love interests leave "for the good" of the PC. I can only recall Morrigan as a female LI leaving the PC, and then there was an entire frikkin DLC devoted to reuniting her with the player. Apparently they originally intended it to go on longer with more focus on returning companions like the chapters - but as people whined about the monthly chapters they condensed everything quickly to end in KOTET which is why it seems so short and kinda rushed. So I can see them dragging out this traitor bullshit instead. TBH I felt the story went on long enough, especially since it felt like "fight Arcann/Vaylin, they escape for some reason, they kill someone, rinse repeat" from about halfway through the story. It felt like a television show where they have to pad out the season before the finale rather than a film where every action counts and is relevant to the plot. I think another thing that pisses me off - Even if all of this is some deep, deep under cover stuff and it turns out Theron is still on our side, I expect Bioware will give Darksiders the option to kill him, which means he joins Koth in having no content from now on as a romance option/in general because some might kill them. So now that's all their m/m options just trashed.
Like, I totally want more m/m options for sure, but not if it means trashing the two we already have. Austin has shot itself in the foot because I think the companions are one of the most popular aspects of the game, but there are so many of them because of all the classes and then the newer companions, that it's impossible to incorporate them all. They bit off more than they could chew and now have no idea how to shoehorn everyone in for a cameo. They shot themselves in the foot by deciding to let every class regardless of faction have nearly all of the companions that returned across the expansions available to them, it leaves your contact list bloated and means for the most part, their return is pretty insignificant. Alliance alerts are kinda lame honestly, and the only difference with the 'catch them all' aspect, is M4/Pierce, and then Quinn/Dorne (though my Warriors have both) and now they're just bringing back one companion in an alliance alert but only making them available to their class, which they probably should have done with a lot of them. I understand having the ones brought back via chapter be open to everyone, but some of the alliance alerts should have been restricted. (I can't imagine when they return, that Zenith or Felix would want to work with an Imperial character unless maaaybe they're light sided, and have made certain light choices, but even then...) Like, even if this traitor thing isn't real and just an undercover plot, that 'feel' of betrayal is very real regardless of any good intention behind it. I also expect Bioware to wash all over it and not give our characters any chance to voice their hurt. And considering m/m only have two options, and that the lock in for either of them was back in KOTFE, if you picked Theron, you're screwed. I can see most of my characters forgiving him/forgiving him over time for it, if it IS the double/triple agent thing, but it'll be very hard for my Inquisitor who romanced him to move past it. |
|
|
|
Post by Scottphoto on Aug 10, 2017 13:00:48 GMT
Ready to confirm about that spoiler btw. I think I still have screenshots of said data, can try to dig it up. It was either half-baked DLC or major cut content. Included Meridian as an explorable planet with memory triggers, some long dialogue with Evfra and Moshae involved and Jaal breaking up with you.
Saw literally not a single thing implying you can avoid it. Oh yeah I remember you said that but I was kinda hoping it was true before we got him patched has an option lol. Even then that still makes more sense than Theron. Cuz Jaal does get very interested and involved about this discovery. I saw a lot of people discussing and pissed about the datamine on the official forum of TOR as well on "Theran Shaan thread". Like for real they better not go through with this unless there's a logical plan for it or make one after seeing the reaction. |
|
Ash
Grizzled Warrior
Embraced It
shiny cat
Posts: 252
Likes: 835
|
Post by Ash on Aug 10, 2017 14:48:01 GMT
Ready to confirm about that spoiler btw. I think I still have screenshots of said data, can try to dig it up. It was either half-baked DLC or major cut content. Included Meridian as an explorable planet with memory triggers, some long dialogue with Evfra and Moshae involved and Jaal breaking up with you.
Saw literally not a single thing implying you can avoid it. Oh yeah I remember you said that but I was kinda hoping it was true before we got him patched has an option lol. Even then that still makes more sense than Theron. Cuz Jaal does get very interested and involved about this discovery. I saw a lot of people discussing and pissed about the datamine on the official forum of TOR as well on "Theran Shaan thread". Like for real they better not go through with this unless there's a logical plan for it or make one after seeing the reaction. actually I don't think it was ever mentioned WHY it happens? all I was able to find - bits of code, pretty straightforward, but not exactly describing. maybe it was ladyconsular's speculation or whatever (as they are known for misunderstanding some info), but there is literally no info why it was supposed to happen.
here's the basic thing:
1) command for loading a cutscene, something about meridian city - judging by the rest, re-visiting it. cora had a comment in there tied to it so maybe she was a must-have companion for this scene - something something pathfinding related perhaps, as she's your CO.
2) evfra and moshae appear (if priest=moshae, no direct name was given), some dialogue happens (no clue about what dialogue - there were no voicelines for it and no, they aren't written in code).
3.1) if jaal is in party, break up happens (no hint at ability to stay committed, so unavoidable).
3.2) if jaal isn't in party, break up still happens, but at another place (assets weren't finished and placeholders ain't providing info).
aaand that's all that was there.
nothing more break up related was in there, no voicelines, no subtitles. either they cut it too good (which is laughable, as jaal's m/m path still had voicelines even if it was cut and bio can't clean up their mess) or it was a half-done dlc, which is actually a reasonable suspicion, because bio's dlcs are cut content that never made it into the game so they'll sell it for 14.99 later.
but now, with montreal studio closed, i'd assume no dlc, so this won't happen even if this was an original intention for it. |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 15:07:54 GMT
Oh yeah I remember you said that but I was kinda hoping it was true before we got him patched has an option lol. Even then that still makes more sense than Theron. Cuz Jaal does get very interested and involved about this discovery. I saw a lot of people discussing and pissed about the datamine on the official forum of TOR as well on "Theran Shaan thread". Like for real they better not go through with this unless there's a logical plan for it or make one after seeing the reaction. actually I don't think it was ever mentioned WHY it happens? all I was able to find - bits of code, pretty straightforward, but not exactly describing. maybe it was ladyconsular's speculation or whatever (as they are known for misunderstanding some info), but there is literally no info why it was supposed to happen.
here's the basic thing:
1) command for loading a cutscene, something about meridian city - judging by the rest, re-visiting it. cora had a comment in there tied to it so maybe she was a must-have companion for this scene - something something pathfinding related perhaps, as she's your CO.
2) evfra and moshae appear (if priest=moshae, no direct name was given), some dialogue happens (no clue about what dialogue - there were no voicelines for it and no, they aren't written in code).
3.1) if jaal is in party, break up happens (no hint at ability to stay committed, so unavoidable).
3.2) if jaal isn't in party, break up still happens, but at another place (assets weren't finished and placeholders ain't providing info).
aaand that's all that was there.
nothing more break up related was in there, no voicelines, no subtitles. either they cut it too good (which is laughable, as jaal's m/m path still had voicelines even if it was cut and bio can't clean up their mess) or it was a half-done dlc, which is actually a reasonable suspicion, because bio's dlcs are cut content that never made it into the game so they'll sell it for 14.99 later.
but now, with montreal studio closed, i'd assume no dlc, so this won't happen even if this was an original intention for it. It was cut content for m/m Jaal romance. A Sara-romanced Jaal would meet Scott for the first time on Meridian and start feeling something strange. He would need to leave Sara in order to investigate these gay new feelings he's having.  |
|
|
|
Post by Scottphoto on Aug 10, 2017 16:15:00 GMT
Oh yeah I remember you said that but I was kinda hoping it was true before we got him patched has an option lol. Even then that still makes more sense than Theron. Cuz Jaal does get very interested and involved about this discovery. I saw a lot of people discussing and pissed about the datamine on the official forum of TOR as well on "Theran Shaan thread". Like for real they better not go through with this unless there's a logical plan for it or make one after seeing the reaction. actually I don't think it was ever mentioned WHY it happens? all I was able to find - bits of code, pretty straightforward, but not exactly describing. maybe it was ladyconsular's speculation or whatever (as they are known for misunderstanding some info), but there is literally no info why it was supposed to happen.
here's the basic thing:
1) command for loading a cutscene, something about meridian city - judging by the rest, re-visiting it. cora had a comment in there tied to it so maybe she was a must-have companion for this scene - something something pathfinding related perhaps, as she's your CO.
2) evfra and moshae appear (if priest=moshae, no direct name was given), some dialogue happens (no clue about what dialogue - there were no voicelines for it and no, they aren't written in code).
3.1) if jaal is in party, break up happens (no hint at ability to stay committed, so unavoidable).
3.2) if jaal isn't in party, break up still happens, but at another place (assets weren't finished and placeholders ain't providing info).
aaand that's all that was there.
nothing more break up related was in there, no voicelines, no subtitles. either they cut it too good (which is laughable, as jaal's m/m path still had voicelines even if it was cut and bio can't clean up their mess) or it was a half-done dlc, which is actually a reasonable suspicion, because bio's dlcs are cut content that never made it into the game so they'll sell it for 14.99 later.
but now, with montreal studio closed, i'd assume no dlc, so this won't happen even if this was an original intention for it. Thats strange, I was thinking it maybe happens something along the lines of Dorian leaving in Trespasser but there could be something else involved then. On SWTOR: pauses plans to ever cosplay Theron*. I actually havent played the game after discovering this, although its also cuz im distracted with Overwatch. But its so far looking my plans to make my jedi being a purist and suddenly hit on Theron might bite the dust and just stay pure" |
|
|
|
Post by farferello on Aug 10, 2017 19:36:10 GMT
actually I don't think it was ever mentioned WHY it happens? all I was able to find - bits of code, pretty straightforward, but not exactly describing. maybe it was ladyconsular's speculation or whatever (as they are known for misunderstanding some info), but there is literally no info why it was supposed to happen.
here's the basic thing:
1) command for loading a cutscene, something about meridian city - judging by the rest, re-visiting it. cora had a comment in there tied to it so maybe she was a must-have companion for this scene - something something pathfinding related perhaps, as she's your CO.
2) evfra and moshae appear (if priest=moshae, no direct name was given), some dialogue happens (no clue about what dialogue - there were no voicelines for it and no, they aren't written in code).
3.1) if jaal is in party, break up happens (no hint at ability to stay committed, so unavoidable).
3.2) if jaal isn't in party, break up still happens, but at another place (assets weren't finished and placeholders ain't providing info).
aaand that's all that was there.
nothing more break up related was in there, no voicelines, no subtitles. either they cut it too good (which is laughable, as jaal's m/m path still had voicelines even if it was cut and bio can't clean up their mess) or it was a half-done dlc, which is actually a reasonable suspicion, because bio's dlcs are cut content that never made it into the game so they'll sell it for 14.99 later.
but now, with montreal studio closed, i'd assume no dlc, so this won't happen even if this was an original intention for it. Thats strange, I was thinking it maybe happens something along the lines of Dorian leaving in Trespasser but there could be something else involved then. On SWTOR: pauses plans to ever cosplay Theron*. I actually havent played the game after discovering this, although its also cuz im distracted with Overwatch. But its so far looking my plans to make my jedi being a purist and suddenly hit on Theron might bite the dust and just stay pure" I know he's not Theron, but maybe one you get to KOTFE you'll find you like Koth (I can't remember if you said you'd play KOTFE yet, if you have, and you've met Koth and don't like him, ignore all this ^^.)
He has a few issues that Bioware sadly doesn't let you touch on, but he's a really lovely romance and a really great guy imo. The only issues a lot of people have with him outside of Valkorian, is that he doesn't stand for a dark side characters bullshit, he actually has backbone, which the dark siders don't like, and makes me adore him even more.
Though that said, I do have two 'Purist' characters, my Knight and my Consular, though that's more for complicated head canon reason than any desire to stay as pure Jedi. |
|
|
|
Post by Vallerie on Aug 10, 2017 22:24:16 GMT
Thats strange, I was thinking it maybe happens something along the lines of Dorian leaving in Trespasser but there could be something else involved then. On SWTOR: pauses plans to ever cosplay Theron*. I actually havent played the game after discovering this, although its also cuz im distracted with Overwatch. But its so far looking my plans to make my jedi being a purist and suddenly hit on Theron might bite the dust and just stay pure" I know he's not Theron, but maybe one you get to KOTFE you'll find you like Koth (I can't remember if you said you'd play KOTFE yet, if you have, and you've met Koth and don't like him, ignore all this ^^.)
He has a few issues that Bioware sadly doesn't let you touch on, but he's a really lovely romance and a really great guy imo. The only issues a lot of people have with him outside of Valkorian, is that he doesn't stand for a dark side characters bullshit, he actually has backbone, which the dark siders don't like, and makes me adore him even more.
Though that said, I do have two 'Purist' characters, my Knight and my Consular, though that's more for complicated head canon reason than any desire to stay as pure Jedi. Hey, just because my Agent's love for Lana and pragmatism/desire to stay alive made her more open to her arguments and friendship with Kalyio + partial agreement with her on anarchy made her agree to the bombing doesn't mean she is a darksider, okay? *pouts* |
|
|
|
Post by farferello on Aug 11, 2017 8:31:10 GMT
I know he's not Theron, but maybe one you get to KOTFE you'll find you like Koth (I can't remember if you said you'd play KOTFE yet, if you have, and you've met Koth and don't like him, ignore all this ^^.)
He has a few issues that Bioware sadly doesn't let you touch on, but he's a really lovely romance and a really great guy imo. The only issues a lot of people have with him outside of Valkorian, is that he doesn't stand for a dark side characters bullshit, he actually has backbone, which the dark siders don't like, and makes me adore him even more.
Though that said, I do have two 'Purist' characters, my Knight and my Consular, though that's more for complicated head canon reason than any desire to stay as pure Jedi. Hey, just because my Agent's love for Lana and pragmatism/desire to stay alive made her more open to her arguments and friendship with Kalyio + partial agreement with her on anarchy made her agree to the bombing doesn't mean she is a darksider, okay? *pouts* Even if she isn't normally darkside she was still responsible/semi-responsible for letting a lot of Zakuulan people die, so in Koth's eyes, the shoe fits, regardless of her other actions. I still think it was dumb of them to let you chase off a new companion so quickly, but hey they gotta get rid of their m/m poc somehow right. >_>
(And I'm not judging you specifically for your actions, there's just a subset of darkside players who took great enjoyment in murdering him for not kissing their character's ass and they fall in the same line of people who decide to murder Quinn almost seven years after the incident. Pettiness knows no bounds.) |
|
|
|
Post by farferello on Aug 11, 2017 11:56:16 GMT
To distract myself from all this nonsense I've been finishing off my new Sorcerer. Finally got through the class quest, and now Ilum and beyond.   Veliram - gets on the Dark Council, starts wearing all white. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 13:26:54 GMT
To distract myself from all this nonsense I've been finishing off my new Sorcerer. Finally got through the class quest, and now Ilum and beyond. Veliram - gets on the Dark Council, starts wearing all white. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Love the Nihilus mask. |
|
|
|
Post by farferello on Aug 11, 2017 15:16:10 GMT
To distract myself from all this nonsense I've been finishing off my new Sorcerer. Finally got through the class quest, and now Ilum and beyond. Veliram - gets on the Dark Council, starts wearing all white. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Love the Nihilus mask. He doesn't like showing his face so it worked pretty well with the original outfit. If it changed colour with the chest, I'd have let him keep it, but it doesn't sadly. Finding a mask that didn't clip into the hood but didn't show too much skin wasn't easy either.  I must be really dedicated to this character though, because as fun as playing a Sorcerer is, everything just takes so long to die with all the nerfs Lightning has received. I'm not looking forward to that group of four flashpoints for Forged Alliances. Just doing Ilum was tedious. (Though I'm hoping as the level sync for this stuff gets higher it won't be quite so awful.) |
|
|
|
Post by Scottphoto on Aug 23, 2017 18:10:52 GMT
Sooo anyone played that Umbara thing yet? I can't cuz I havent even reached an expansion yet lol.
|
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 18:18:10 GMT
Sooo anyone played that Umbara thing yet? I can't cuz I havent even reached an expansion yet lol. Is it out already? Does it include revealing the traitor's identity?  |
|
lilyena
The Beastmaster
Posts: 685 
Likes: 3,235
|
Post by lilyena on Aug 23, 2017 18:52:28 GMT
They delayed the patch until tomorrow. (Originally it was delayed until today.) I really hope they get whatever problems they're having with it fixed before release.
|
|
None of my characters wanted the damn throne, they'd have given it back to a redeemed Arcann or blown it up if they had the option.
I must be really dedicated to this character though, because as fun as playing a Sorcerer is, everything just takes so long to die with all the nerfs Lightning has received. I'm not looking forward to that group of four flashpoints for Forged Alliances. Just doing Ilum was tedious. (Though I'm hoping as the level sync for this stuff gets higher it won't be quite so awful.)
Much love right back at ya!
