mrslothy
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Post by mrslothy on May 18, 2017 11:52:50 GMT
And it actually looks good too. Although Seth McFarlane has a tendency to be very inconsistent with his jokes in my opinion. Nevertheless I'm looking forward to this, he is a very big Star Trek fan so he might know exactly to parody it in the 'right' way.  yes! this worries me a bit, he has ups and downs although he seems like a good guy. also live action and animation have different rules and not everything translates so well. it was a bit eyerolling that straight white dude in his thirties is a lead role and his ex that he hates is his first officer (ha-ha, so funny.  ), but i'm willing to give it a benefit of a doubt for a start |
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 19, 2017 13:27:39 GMT
I'm actually really only familiar with the new movies, and my love for them is based purely on how much hot manmeat they crammed into them.
Anton Yelchin was my favourite though, and I was really upset to hear about his passing. .__.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 16:38:32 GMT
I've only seen the new movies, too; not really interested in the old ones. I think I did see one with the TNG crew; Data looked really old for an android, oops lol
I personally don't care for the new movies, except maybe the first, because they've just got too many explosions and crap when to me Star Trek is about exploration, human (and alien, but really human) relationships, and moral dilemmas.
And yes Anton Yelchin was precious, such a loss.
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Post by Mihura on May 19, 2017 17:12:29 GMT
The movies suffer a lot from action syndrome and ridiculous fanservice. I still think JJ Abrams was a poor choice since he said Star Trek never click with him. His work in Star Wars is better in my opinion, there is less nerdy stuff.
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Post by mrslothy on May 19, 2017 23:25:01 GMT
The movies suffer a lot from action syndrome and ridiculous fanservice. I still think JJ Abrams was a poor choice since he said Star Trek never click with him. His work in Star Wars is better in my opinion, there is less nerdy stuff. absolutely. in last film the way spock behaved was so out of place it was ridiculous. more like a human with lower face paralysis that likes to occasionally mention logic to prove he's logical  |
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Post by Mihura on May 19, 2017 23:36:52 GMT
The movies suffer a lot from action syndrome and ridiculous fanservice. I still think JJ Abrams was a poor choice since he said Star Trek never click with him. His work in Star Wars is better in my opinion, there is less nerdy stuff. absolutely. in last film the way spock behaved was so out of place it was ridiculous. more like a human with lower face paralysis that like to occasionally mention logic to prove he's logical I saw everything on netflix in a go, I mean the films. And agree, also the old ones are so freaking good. I am going to go into full denial and try to be hyped for the series, maybe in that format they will not forget about character arcs? |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 0:20:02 GMT
The TOS movies have a different flavor from the show, and I do recommend watching them because of that. The Motion Picture (first movie) is more Kubrik-esque in terms of cinematography, and they were getting into the more sterilized, clean-lined look that was the style for future movies at the time. It's really quite separate from the rest of the TOS films. When it came time to do the successive ones, it seems as if they finally understood what they wanted their movies to be, their personality, so there is a different atmosphere.
The next three, The Wrath of Khan, The Search for Spock, and The Voyage Home, are essentially a trilogy. Khan as villain is amazing, and the Battle of the Mutara Nebula is quite awesome, hearkening back to the submarine-type battles of WWII films. In Search, Christopher Lloyd makes a great Klingon and we get a look a Vulcan mysticism. Voyage has the "enemy" be at once humanity of the past, and also a mysterious probe. The crew seems more tight-knit in these three, more of a family than ever before, even with the command structure.
The fifth film, The Final Frontier, is a bit of shark jumping as "Star Trek meets God." I like it for the Kirk, Spock, McCoy moments, and the Klingons. This is William Shatner's Star Trek directorial debut, and it focuses a bit more on Kirk in some scenes.
For the sixth and final, The Undiscovered Country, David Warner (who also played the Cardassian who tortured Picard, and is also a human ambassador in Frontier) and Christopher Plummer are marvelous as their Klingon characters. The Klingon bits are great, and we get to see Sulu in command of his own ship, being highly competent and camptain-y. I think the core of the plot is realistic, with elements of racism and also the old-guard Cold War mentality that is hard to give up for those who lived it. But there are also some silly things in there that, frankly, just shouldn't be in there as they make no sense.
The last two can be iffy, but have good elements. I don't think they are for everyone. If I were going to recommend any of the TOS film, I would definitely say the trilogy of 2, 3, 4, with 2 as the winner; the very best of them all. (Director's Cut is suggested for all.)
There are some elements that are related to certain TOS episodes. TMP's Decker is the son of Commodore Decker from TOS S2,Ep6 The Doomsday Machine (not mentioned in the movie). There is Khan who we originally meet in S1,Ep24 Space Seed (directly mentioned in the movie). The initial introduction of Spock's parents, Sarek and Amanda, who are both in S2,Ep15 Journey to Babel (not mentioned in the movie). The method of time travel in Voyage Home is indirectly referenced from S1,Ep21 Tomorrow Is Yesterday. And finally, Frontier has very indirect and spare reference to Kirk's brother Sam, who we learned about in S1,Ep29 Operation--Annihilate!
Of course, if someone just doesn't like the TOS cast, or what they bring, then they most likely won't like them at all because of that.
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Post by Lionrage on May 20, 2017 15:39:35 GMT
@nightscrawl A very nice post! The Wrath of Khan is indeed a very good movie not just for the fans but for getting people into Star Trek as well.  --- Personally I really liked Star Trek Beyond and felt rather underwhelmed by Star Trek (2009) and Star Trek Into Darkness too. What Beyond did well imo was creating that atmosphere that made Star Trek well...Star Trek. |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 23:44:33 GMT
My favourites are:
TNG - Face of the Enemy
DS9 - In the Pale Moonlight
VOY - Message in a Bottle
ENT - In a Mirror, Darkly
Film - First Contact
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Post by Sir Drell on May 23, 2019 22:29:44 GMT
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Post by Vy on May 23, 2019 22:44:09 GMT
I'm curious what event happened 15 years ago. Supposedly this series takes place in 2399, making Picard around 94. The events of Nemesis happened in 2379 (twenty years prior) and Romulus was destroyed in 2387 (twelve years prior).
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Post by Vy on May 25, 2019 19:16:27 GMT
Here's a breakdown of the new uniform design.  I really like it - it reminds me of the early Deep Space Nine/Voyager uniforms, which are probably my favorite TNG-era design. |
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Post by Lee on May 26, 2019 2:44:16 GMT
Here's a breakdown of the new uniform design. I really like it - it reminds me of the early Deep Space Nine/Voyager uniforms, which are probably my favorite TNG-era design. Ah yes, the Picard Series...the thing that will most likely force me to finally get CBS Acess or whatever it's called.  I'm still re-watching the old shows. We are on Deep Space 9 again now. (finished TNG before that). |
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on May 26, 2019 17:25:07 GMT
Here's a breakdown of the new uniform design. I really like it - it reminds me of the early Deep Space Nine/Voyager uniforms, which are probably my favorite TNG-era design. Ah yes, the Picard Series...the thing that will most likely force me to finally get CBS Acess or whatever it's called. I'm still re-watching the old shows. We are on Deep Space 9 again now. (finished TNG before that). It's on Amazon outside the US, after Discovery was on Netflix. Fortunately we have both... |
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Post by Vy on Jul 25, 2019 3:24:04 GMT
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Post by Sir Drell on Jul 25, 2019 14:24:45 GMT
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Post by Lee on Nov 12, 2020 14:20:31 GMT
I need more Picard soon
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Post by turianlannister on Nov 12, 2020 21:10:07 GMT
Seeing Janeway in the second last post reminded me that a Janeway series was recently announced, it'll be animated iirc
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Post by Lee on Nov 13, 2020 3:28:34 GMT
Seeing Janeway in the second last post reminded me that a Janeway series was recently announced, it'll be animated iirc Animated Janeway...it'll be as close as I'll get to a Flemmeth show. Sign me up. |
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Nov 13, 2020 3:59:23 GMT
It’s not technically a Janeway show - it’s an animated show targeted to kids for Nickelodeon (I’m hoping for something like Avatar, though probably CGI), and Kate Mulgrew is reprising her role, but I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s no more than a mentor figure or even just a prominent episode one guest star.
Still, I’m excited.
As for Picard, given everything COVID, they’ve had delays - before everything, I believe the plan had been to have year round production happening, that the Section 31 series (featuring Michelle Yeoh’s Georgiou) would have begun filming right after Discovery’s third season wrapped and THEN Lower Decks would have been aired, and then, probably, Picard season two (which, I seem to recall they wanted to work on seasons two and three all at once). But Lower Decks and the post-production work on Discovery could be worked on from home, so they ended up finished and airing without the buffer of what would be next.
Since Picard is filmed in LA, we probably won’t see season two until late next year. Discovery (and probably 31 and Strange New Worlds) is filmed in Vancouver, so while they probably have some issues from the US side, at least Canada has dealt with things a little better.
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), but i'm willing to give it a benefit of a doubt for a start
