Star Trek: Discovery -- General Discussion

Its on Neflex for everyone not in the US & Canada or for people who can use a VPN to look like they are not in the US or Canada

Watched ep 2 and was trying to find out who was voicing the Computer so I got a few spoilers that have annoyed me (Ep 1 made me think it was Ali Hillis but ep made by doubt that and I can't find the info) Using spoiler tags for my annoyance. 

Hello everyone, for some reason I haven't been here, just caught up!

I have to say, I was quite excited when I first heard they were finally making another Star Trek series, even without knowing whether it would be inclusive etc. But as soon as I heard it was a prequel, my interest dropped dramatically

I've never been much of a fan of prequels at all, to be honest - at least not as mainline material. There just isn't as much you can do with them, being locked into what happens in the future. While it can be interesting to see how things played out to get to where you were, there are too many forgone conclusions to make things as interesting as sequels.

And because I knew it would be in the Prime timeline, I was excited to finally see what happened after Nemesis. The placement of the prequel is basically as uninteresting as I could have hoped for, too. Before TNG, after Kirk? Maybe (and I do love the original TNG uniforms). But even before Kirk? Ugh.

Doesn't help that there were rather unfortunate things in TOS because of when it was made that didn't go along with the idealistic future it had imagined (mostly sexism). I for one don't care if that's retconned for this show or at all, but it's still annoying and I'd rather just move on in the timeline.



This is also very disappointing, as originally I read that the CBS thing only applied to the U.S., not Canada I mean, we don't even have CBS in Canada, technically, it's an American channel!

Whatever. I know trailers can be misleading, so I'm interested to keep reading what people are actually thinking of the show itself as it progresses. Most first seasons in shows aren't the best anyway, so we should keep that in mind. I don't want it to fail (especially because it'll invariably be blamed on diversifying the cast à la ME:A ), but so far I'm less than excited.

Oh, and what are people's thoughts on the gay couple already being a couple? The negative part of me thinks it's because they either don't want to show - or don't think the audience will want to see - them actually courting and having a budding romance.

*Sigh* We still have a long way to go, don't we? I hope I'm wrong. I also hope there's at least one other LGBT person in the cast - a woman.

Well they haven't even appeared yet, have they? I've only seen the first episode that was on TV, so I don't know.

I don't see what the problem would be if it were depicted in the same vein as O'Brien + Keiko in DS9. It was obvious they were a married couple, and there were references to sexy fun times. Yet their marriage was hardly the focus of O'Brien as a character. To me that is a model of such a relationship in a show such as this. A couple that is coming together, as we saw with Worf/Jadzia, will be portrayed differently than an already established couple.

I think the difference in setting also has to be considered. DS9 was a space station where people could live out, more or less, standard lives. A lot of the day-to-day activity was portrayed as a 9-5 job for many people. But that is not the case with a show like this, with heavy emphasis on the major conflict.

And frankly, gay or straight, I prefer that personal issues be kept to a minimum anyway. DS9 was just enough for me as far as that's concerned.

At the moment, we don't even know what position the partner has on the ship, whether he is a fellow officer or a civilian, or anything else.

Also, since this show is focusing more on the first officer, rather than the ensemble cast, all of the secondary characters might get lesser exposure than other large ensemble casts, such as TNG or DS9. In fact, that's one thing I really like about those two shows as a departure from TOS; they appeared to make an effort to spread out time between the characters, making them true ensembles.

Now, if they start showing the various straight characters in charged sexual situations, but leave that out for the actual couple (who happens to be gay), then I think that is cause for complaint. But until then, I think it's fair to wait and see how it plays out.


[edit] Lee , don't you want a well-rounded, three-dimensional character, who has interests and skills, likes and dislikes, that are beyond the relationship with his same-sex partner? He has to be written as a person, and a person is more than their relationship, regardless of the gender of their partner. To me, that is what was meant by the assertion of the relationship not being a focus. What sort of balance is acceptable for you in that regard? For the character to appear fleshed out, but also not portrayed as "the gay dude?"

There is going to be limited time to show these characters' personal lives. With this character, I don't believe that ALL of that time should be spent on his relationship, and neither should it be for anyone else.

You hardly addressed anything of what I said, such as time constraints, or even considering the way other characters and their relationships have been presented within Star Trek. This is Star Trek's first real attempt at inclusivity with a homosexual character (I'd argue that Sulu in the most recent film only partly counts, as that was laden with issues) and you are pre-judging without having seen it, without even saying, "I'll give them a chance to show me what they can do."*


* Or at least read about it, since it seems most in the thread aren't going to be watching the episodes as they release.


[edit] Here is a new article about the character, including a preview of his first appearance on the show. It also says,




[edit2] I watched the season preview that is also at the above link. The more I see of this show, the less interest I have in it. I really do not like the whole mutiny aspect, how it's going to be a "her versus the crew" conflict because of her mutiny, trust issues etc, and just generally the fact that it's mostly about her.

Also, like others, I'd have preferred another future show, with new and different things, not one that takes place in the past.

This isn't Star Trek to me.

I know people aren't liking this because it isn't the star trek they grew up with but honestly watching this is making me want to be there and that is the hallmark of a good show to me. I'm probably hugely biased because I would jump in a spaceship and go across the galaxy in a heartbeat but yea I'm liking this new star trek.

The first two episodes were basically building up the backstory to what is going on now.  It didn't bother me they went that route.

I'm generally this way about most shows, unless, y'know, that's the focus of the show. It's one reason I like the Law & Order franchise; there is very little personal stuff about the characters. The little there is mainly comes up casually in conversation, as happens in real life situations.





LOL! I think he's supposed to be abrasive XD.

Was the silvery dust during his intro supposed to be related to the whole fungi thing?

Yea it was.

Well...

Edit: And to all you North American types, it sucks that you can't watch on Netflix like the rest of us. If I were you I'd just say "fuck 'em" and pirate it...