JayKay
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Post by JayKay on Aug 5, 2017 6:12:05 GMT
It's in First Contact that we get Worf on the Defiant, BTW. His ship is one of the ships that's fighting the Borg cube at the start.
Also, I think the best, most "official" look at the latest of the ST verse is the comic series Star Trek: Countdown, which basically tells the story of the events that lead to Nero going back in time and starting the Kelvinverse.
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Post by phantomrachie on Aug 6, 2017 6:58:11 GMT
I'm not a huge Trekkie so I don't know what the current timeline is like. Does DS9 end at the same time as Voyager returns to Federation space? Or are their politics separate enough that it doesn't matter? Do the TNG films involve any DS9 plots? I guess basically my question is, what is the latest political situation in the ST universe, since it now seems like all new material is reboots or prequels? Eeep, I feel like I should be able to answer this since I've seen all of the episodes, but it's just not simple to answer since I didn't watch them as they air-and the timelines seem to be a bit intertwinned at least at some points. I know all the major political situations in Deep Space 9 were resolved (the war with the Dominion was won, and peace is likely due to Odo now being a major part of their collective (the great link). Hmmm...Voyager takes place primarily in the Delta quadrant so doesn't have a major impact on the alpha quadrant except for maybe the situation with the borg-and that was resolved in the TNG movies. (as much as you can resolve the borg since they time travel and basically break any rules to do whatever bull shit they want). The only real references the films make to DS9 is Warf really (and he is in command of the Defiant during one of the movies, and he's takes leave from DS9 to go on a mission in one of the movies, and I think he's just on the crew on the last one-but don't quote me on that.) OBrian never appears in any of the movies, which I always thought was strange. :/ The situation as far as I can tell is most of the alpha quadrant is under startfleet control we kind of won. I guess they don't know what to do with that maybe? Though clearly it would not be hard to say one of the factions are going against them, or the borg could come back...or an all new threat. Not sure why they don't want to go forward really. I always thought it was a bit weird myself that O'Brien wasn't in any of the films, particularly since he is one of the few members of the cast who is an experienced film actor. But then again, O'Brien was a very secondary character in TNG and was in the main cast in DS9, which has no films. I don't think it is has clear cut has Starfleet "won" though. The Cardassian Union is still in disarray since the defeat of the Dominion and their rebellion against it, millions executed, their economy destroyed, famine, and disease everywhere. The Klingons Empire has been decimated and it will be at least a decade until they regain their strength, alot can happen to change a culture with death tolls like they suffered and leaders like Empire Martok and Worf. In this timeline the Romulans are the most fuck of them all, since their planet was destroyed by a supernova. Add to that the ability to create & program borg nanoprobes that Voyager brought back and their communication link to the Delta Quadrant. There is alot to work with. I'd be very interested in watching a show that had Bajor and the Federation working with The Cardassian Union to help stabilise them, with old conflicts and wounded prides threatening peace. Or one with the Federation & the Klingon Empire working together/arguing about where to settle Romulan refugees & the Romulans trying to rebuild their culture and home. Or an exploration of the ramifications of Starfleet discovering their throw away medical holograms can become sentient, the advancement of technology that happens with the use of nanoprobes etc. All to me have more interest than the current naval gazing |
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Post by Lee on Aug 6, 2017 8:15:13 GMT
Those all sound like better ideas then the prequel madness that is reign at the moment. Here's hoping we get Back to the Future. Eventually.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 13:34:49 GMT
Eeep, I feel like I should be able to answer this since I've seen all of the episodes, but it's just not simple to answer since I didn't watch them as they air-and the timelines seem to be a bit intertwinned at least at some points. I know all the major political situations in Deep Space 9 were resolved (the war with the Dominion was won, and peace is likely due to Odo now being a major part of their collective (the great link). Hmmm...Voyager takes place primarily in the Delta quadrant so doesn't have a major impact on the alpha quadrant except for maybe the situation with the borg-and that was resolved in the TNG movies. (as much as you can resolve the borg since they time travel and basically break any rules to do whatever bull shit they want). The only real references the films make to DS9 is Warf really (and he is in command of the Defiant during one of the movies, and he's takes leave from DS9 to go on a mission in one of the movies, and I think he's just on the crew on the last one-but don't quote me on that.) OBrian never appears in any of the movies, which I always thought was strange. :/ The situation as far as I can tell is most of the alpha quadrant is under startfleet control we kind of won. I guess they don't know what to do with that maybe? Though clearly it would not be hard to say one of the factions are going against them, or the borg could come back...or an all new threat. Not sure why they don't want to go forward really. I always thought it was a bit weird myself that O'Brien wasn't in any of the films, particularly since he is one of the few members of the cast who is an experienced film actor. But then again, O'Brien was a very secondary character in TNG and was in the main cast in DS9, which has no films. I don't think it is has clear cut has Starfleet "won" though. The Cardassian Union is still in disarray since the defeat of the Dominion and their rebellion against it, millions executed, their economy destroyed, famine, and disease everywhere. The Klingons Empire has been decimated and it will be at least a decade until they regain their strength, alot can happen to change a culture with death tolls like they suffered and leaders like Empire Martok and Worf. In this timeline the Romulans are the most fuck of them all, since their planet was destroyed by a supernova. Add to that the ability to create & program borg nanoprobes that Voyager brought back and their communication link to the Delta Quadrant. There is alot to work with. I'd be very interested in watching a show that had Bajor and the Federation working with The Cardassian Union to help stabilise them, with old conflicts and wounded prides threatening peace. Or one with the Federation & the Klingon Empire working together/arguing about where to settle Romulan refugees & the Romulans trying to rebuild their culture and home. Or an exploration of the ramifications of Starfleet discovering their throw away medical holograms can become sentient, the advancement of technology that happens with the use of nanoprobes etc. All to me have more interest than the current naval gazing TBH that sounds very interesting but realistically too complex to handle well on a tv show. Kind of like ME3's synthesis ending; it raises some interesting issues but is too far above modern technology's understanding to depict well. At least not while also having an enjoyable and relatable setting and plot. It sounds like the shows' technology is reaching the point where our current understanding of technology is being eclipsed. Perhaps that's a reason why they're not going forward in time. A show about galaxy-changing technology and reshaping the sociopolitical realm of all sentient life it too huge for a show to manage and more importantly, for an audience to digest easily. |
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Post by phantomrachie on Aug 7, 2017 15:47:20 GMT
I always thought it was a bit weird myself that O'Brien wasn't in any of the films, particularly since he is one of the few members of the cast who is an experienced film actor. But then again, O'Brien was a very secondary character in TNG and was in the main cast in DS9, which has no films. I don't think it is has clear cut has Starfleet "won" though. The Cardassian Union is still in disarray since the defeat of the Dominion and their rebellion against it, millions executed, their economy destroyed, famine, and disease everywhere. The Klingons Empire has been decimated and it will be at least a decade until they regain their strength, alot can happen to change a culture with death tolls like they suffered and leaders like Empire Martok and Worf. In this timeline the Romulans are the most fuck of them all, since their planet was destroyed by a supernova. Add to that the ability to create & program borg nanoprobes that Voyager brought back and their communication link to the Delta Quadrant. There is alot to work with. I'd be very interested in watching a show that had Bajor and the Federation working with The Cardassian Union to help stabilise them, with old conflicts and wounded prides threatening peace. Or one with the Federation & the Klingon Empire working together/arguing about where to settle Romulan refugees & the Romulans trying to rebuild their culture and home. Or an exploration of the ramifications of Starfleet discovering their throw away medical holograms can become sentient, the advancement of technology that happens with the use of nanoprobes etc. All to me have more interest than the current naval gazing TBH that sounds very interesting but realistically too complex to handle well on a tv show. Kind of like ME3's synthesis ending; it raises some interesting issues but is too far above modern technology's understanding to depict well. At least not while also having an enjoyable and relatable setting and plot. It sounds like the shows' technology is reaching the point where our current understanding of technology is being eclipsed. Perhaps that's a reason why they're not going forward in time. A show about galaxy-changing technology and reshaping the sociopolitical realm of all sentient life it too huge for a show to manage and more importantly, for an audience to digest easily. I wouldn't really say that. The technology in Star Trek was always basically magic but with a sciencey sounding explanation, e.g. the heisenberg compensator. The Doctor & 7 of 9 can program Borg nanoprobes to do so much that they may as well be magic and the show has always had time travel. Lots of sociopolitical change is always going on in Star Trek but we only ever see a tiny piece of it through the show. I mean DS9 didnt show the whole of the Dominion War just key parts and the led up was in the background of some episodes rather than always front and centre. Any future show could be set on one ship or space station trying to exist with the points I´ve raised happening in the background, periodically coming to the forefront. For example: Borg Nanoprobes are amazing but people would be understandably concerned about using them, would they become assimilated, would using them lure the Borg etc. This conversation could be happening in the background in the Universe but not necessarily mentioned in the show until there is an episode were they are needed to stop a plague or somthing, Starfleet arrive to help and there is one side that wants to use them, another that doesn´t, some fighting happens and then the whole thing is resolved with some moral lesson, typical TNG episode but based around new technology with new concerns. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 16:01:09 GMT
TBH that sounds very interesting but realistically too complex to handle well on a tv show. Kind of like ME3's synthesis ending; it raises some interesting issues but is too far above modern technology's understanding to depict well. At least not while also having an enjoyable and relatable setting and plot. It sounds like the shows' technology is reaching the point where our current understanding of technology is being eclipsed. Perhaps that's a reason why they're not going forward in time. A show about galaxy-changing technology and reshaping the sociopolitical realm of all sentient life it too huge for a show to manage and more importantly, for an audience to digest easily. I wouldn't really say that. The technology in Star Trek was always basically magic but with a sciencey sounding explanation, e.g. the heisenberg compensator. The Doctor & 7 of 9 can program Borg nanoprobes to do so much that they may as well be magic and the show has always had time travel. Lots of sociopolitical change is always going on in Star Trek but we only ever see a tiny piece of it through the show. I mean DS9 didnt show the whole of the Dominion War just key parts and the led up was in the background of some episodes rather than always front and centre. Any future show could be set on one ship or space station trying to exist with the points I´ve raised happening in the background, periodically coming to the forefront. For example: Borg Nanoprobes are amazing but people would be understandably concerned about using them, would they become assimilated, would using them lure the Borg etc. This conversation could be happening in the background in the Universe but not necessarily mentioned in the show until there is an episode were they are needed to stop a plague or somthing, Starfleet arrive to help and there is one side that wants to use them, another that doesn´t, some fighting happens and then the whole thing is resolved with some moral lesson, typical TNG episode but based around new technology with new concerns.   |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 17:33:54 GMT
But seriously thanks for the detailed information. As I said, I'm not well versed in ST, having only periodically watched episodes from all three of those series, so it's interesting to hear.
I feel like if I ever am confined to bed rest for a broken leg I should watch TNG, DS9 and Voyager on a marathon binge. Take up a few months.
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Post by phantomrachie on Aug 7, 2017 18:50:52 GMT
But seriously thanks for the detailed information. As I said, I'm not well versed in ST, having only periodically watched episodes from all three of those series, so it's interesting to hear. I feel like if I ever am confined to bed rest for a broken leg I should watch TNG, DS9 and Voyager on a marathon binge. Take up a few months. It would deffo be a good series to watch if you were confined to bed  IMO Star Trek is always worth a watch, there are ropy eps in the first few seasons of each series but they all find their feet and are good fun. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 18:58:53 GMT
But seriously thanks for the detailed information. As I said, I'm not well versed in ST, having only periodically watched episodes from all three of those series, so it's interesting to hear. I feel like if I ever am confined to bed rest for a broken leg I should watch TNG, DS9 and Voyager on a marathon binge. Take up a few months. It would deffo be a good series to watch if you were confined to bed IMO Star Trek is always worth a watch, there are ropy eps in the first few seasons of each series but they all find their feet and are good fun. , so to speak. |
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Post by phantomrachie on Aug 7, 2017 19:13:51 GMT
It would deffo be a good series to watch if you were confined to bed IMO Star Trek is always worth a watch, there are ropy eps in the first few seasons of each series but they all find their feet and are good fun. , so to speak. Exactly  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 19:27:06 GMT
Exactly omg that gif! |
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Post by phantomrachie on Aug 7, 2017 19:29:37 GMT
Exactly omg that gif! I know right!, I have it saved for special occasions B-) |
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JayKay
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Post by JayKay on Aug 9, 2017 3:50:14 GMT
I know right!, I have it saved for special occasions B-) Reminds me of two of my favorite gifs: |
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Post by Sir Drell on Sept 24, 2017 13:24:49 GMT
Just gotta get Netflix working to watch this.
I'm hearing it's not set in the Abrams universe? Like from a guy who's seen the first two episodes.
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Post by obiwancomeblowme on Sept 25, 2017 3:07:32 GMT
I watched the premiere. Honestly, it was not what I expected, nor was I all that correct about my worries. Spoiler-free statement: I will continue.
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Post by Red Fox on Sept 25, 2017 3:49:34 GMT
Just about done with the first episode. I LOVE IT. It has scratched my sci fi itch and then some. This is gonna be a gooood one.
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Post by Red Fox on Sept 25, 2017 3:50:02 GMT
Just gotta get Netflix working to watch this. I'm hearing it's not set in the Abrams universe? Like from a guy who's seen the first two episodes. No its 10 years before the original star trek. |
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Post by phantomrachie on Sept 25, 2017 10:50:03 GMT
Watched the first episode this morning and I like it; I like how there seem to be more aliens on the crew, I like how they showed ships moving in 3d space more, the crew seems cool and after one episode watching a Star Trek that is not so heavily focused on the Captain seems like a breath of fresh air.
That being said, I super don't like the redesign of the Klingons, stop redesigning them Star Trek, TNG, DS9 & Voyager Klingons were designed well, they were alien but not too alien to keep them from being relatable, leave them.
This lot are bald so no cool beards & long hair, their bat'leth's are far too complicated & over designed for a weapon a person would actually used, their leader so so obviously covered in black paint that I hope we discover he wears it as like war paint or somthing later and they seem to be focusing on the warrior religion aspect of Klingons, which was always the most annoying part of their culture. If I want religion, I'll call up a Bajoran, this need for modern Star Trek writers to have Klingons in cults is not good.
That being said, I'll continue to watch it and see where it goes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 14:22:42 GMT
My review... There may be S P O I L E R S.
I didn’t like it. I watched the first hour on TV and have no interest in paying for a service I wouldn’t use just for a single show.
The whole Klingon thing is tremendously bothersome to me. I would have preferred the introduction of an entirely new aggressive race. Yeah, it may have been jarring to have a new race in a prequel show, but I could overlook it. Also what was odd is that they decided to keep the subtitles in 3-4 word bites, instead of sentences, like standard subtitles. This wrecked the flow of reading and was distracting. (I’m not against subtitles and use them regularly, from films to games.)
The Sarek thing is just... bleh. It doesn’t have to be Sarek! They could have the same impact with some other Vulcan being her Obi-wan.
Her mutiny at the end of the first episode sucked. That was my least-liked element in the entire show. It doesn’t feel Star Trek-y to me to have a legitimate mutiny. All of the other mutinies we’ve seen throughout the years have just had a different feeling that made them feel justified. And her gambit failed anyway (since the Capt. revived), so it’s not like the mutiny accomplished anything.
I’m also concerned with the fact that they’re starting this show off with the introduction of a huge conflict, perhaps leading to a war. DS9's war was intense, but at least that waited until season 3+ to really get going. Even then, the war episodes were interspersed with the typical light-hearted Trek fare that we occasionally get. It doesn’t have the Trek vibe of exploration that I’m used to from the other ship-based shows.
The technical stuff doesn’t bother me overmuch. It’s natural that a show made in 2016/17 will be shinier than one made in the 1960s. I totally get that.
All in all, I’d be willing to watch more to see the if the show gets into a groove, the actors get more comfortable with the characters, and all that, but only if it was on TV. I’m not paying for the service. I don’t pirate. So no Discovery for me.
And to get to a forum-relevant issue... for those of you who are going to continue to watch, I'm curious as to how the gay character will eventually be handled. I've read he has a partner, and I believe they're living in the same quarters? That's all I know, really.
The small bit I've read seems like it's going to be handled in a natural way. DS9 featured homey scenes with O'Brien and Keiko, Worf and Jadzia, and some intimate togetherness with Odo and Kira in the final season. I'm expecting scenes like that with these guys. But given the initial atmosphere of the show, I don't know how much opportunity there will be for such scenes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 14:24:52 GMT
Just gotta get Netflix working to watch this. I'm hearing it's not set in the Abrams universe? Like from a guy who's seen the first two episodes. , not Netflix. It's set in the original canon universe. |
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