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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 21:46:59 GMT
I have to do a lot of headcanoning to come close to "liking" the endings personally. Like choosing Control while headcanoning that my Shepard maintains enough of his personality to order the Reapers to drive themselves into the nearest back hole, then shuts himself down. Of course the Extended Cut contradicted that entirely. So yea, synthesis I guess? Not that I'm happy with it.  To me, Synthesis = The Reapers win. It's what Saren wanted, it's what they want. That means it's not what I want. I do truly believe that BioWare meant this to be the "best" solution to the organic vs synthetic war. It just seemed to have plot holes in it and asked me to forgive the torture, murder and horror they'd inflicted on organic species throughout the past billion+ years. (The Leviathan of Dis, which was a Reaper, was killed 1,000,000,000 BCE, so the Reapers are at least that old.) I'm sure the death toll was somewhere on the order of a googolplex (something like 1 followed by 100 zeroes), if not higher. I find it unforgivable and can't allow for any ending that allows the Reapers to survive. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 6, 2018 7:04:21 GMT
- Does the Indoctrination Theory really fix anything, and does the author intent matter when talking about the endings?
I know my former persona had something to say about it, but this a NEW dmc1001 and I'm commenting on this one specific line. IT theory does not fix the endings. |
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Post by Rouccoco on Sept 6, 2018 14:34:10 GMT
Synthesis FTW! The entire ME universe is full of children, who can't resolve their issues without Shep. So Shepard has to be the "imma turn this car around" parent and decide what's best for everyone. Control and Refuse are a no, and Destroy murders AI, so there's no other option.
Also, it adds a little transhumanist themes that were, for me, sorely lacking in the series.
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Post by Red Fox on Sept 8, 2018 4:43:55 GMT
Destroy erases all traces of the Reapers. EDI and the Geth are unfortunate casualties but it must be done.
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Post by Lee on Sept 8, 2018 10:31:22 GMT
MEHEM is the only true path. Even when I was on console I knew that was the one true ending.  |
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 8, 2018 17:16:05 GMT
Synthesis FTW! The entire ME universe is full of children, who can't resolve their issues without Shep. So Shepard has to be the "imma turn this car around" parent and decide what's best for everyone. Control and Refuse are a no, and Destroy murders AI, so there's no other option. Also, it adds a little transhumanist themes that were, for me, sorely lacking in the series.  Drama queen and Destroy only. My logic is about Kaidan. He and Shepard had just professed their love to one another before Shepard ran off to the beam. To me, the idea of Kaidan being lost and lonely is one that makes me sad. I've tried Synthesis and Control but only Destroy gives me the happy ending for mShenko. |
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Post by Rouccoco on Sept 8, 2018 20:32:59 GMT
Drama queen and Destroy only. My logic is about Kaidan. He and Shepard had just professed their love to one another before Shepard ran off to the beam. To me, the idea of Kaidan being lost and lonely is one that makes me sad. I've tried Synthesis and Control but only Destroy gives me the happy ending for mShenko. I don't care about Shep that much. I love Kaidan, but he'll be just as good with Steve. Plus then there's way less head-canoning around the ME team being homophobic for two games. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 9, 2018 4:42:34 GMT
Drama queen and Destroy only. My logic is about Kaidan. He and Shepard had just professed their love to one another before Shepard ran off to the beam. To me, the idea of Kaidan being lost and lonely is one that makes me sad. I've tried Synthesis and Control but only Destroy gives me the happy ending for mShenko. I don't care about Shep that much. I love Kaidan, but he'll be just as good with Steve. Plus then there's way less head-canoning around the ME team being homophobic for two games. Shepard, whatever, but it's Kaidan I don't want to be lonely. Kaidan loves him. Kaidan believed he was never going to see Shepard again and you can practically see his heart breaking - that look on his face - when Shepard says his goodbye. Always makes me tear up.
I've seen the Kaidan/Cortez thing but that would be the same as Cortez crying over the loss of his husband and then jumping into bed with Shepard. Never sat well with me. Besides, who can compare to the hero of the galaxy?
My sig on BSN says: "If you talk shit about Kaidan, we're gonna have problems." No one talks shit about him, at least not anywhere I've read.
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Post by Rouccoco on Sept 9, 2018 15:31:02 GMT
Shepard, whatever, but it's Kaidan I don't want to be lonely. Kaidan loves him. Kaidan believed he was never going to see Shepard again and you can practically see his heart breaking - that look on his face - when Shepard says his goodbye. Always makes me tear up.
I've seen the Kaidan/Cortez thing but that would be the same as Cortez crying over the loss of his husband and then jumping into bed with Shepard. Never sat well with me. Besides, who can compare to the hero of the galaxy? Well of course he cares about Shep, when romanced. There are BW LIs that obviously never find anyone, if the PC doesn't romance them, but Kaidan doesn't seem like that. That's why Shepard can help Cortez move on, and not take advantage of it, as many people have felt about that romance (plus, it has been two years, he's hardly jumping into bed with anyone), and let him and Kaidan fall in love. And it's Kaidan we're talking about, he's the last person to pay attention to hero status. My sig on BSN says: "If you talk shit about Kaidan, we're gonna have problems." No one talks shit about him, at least not anywhere I've read. Be glad you didn't see BSN post-launch then, when it was flooded with a barrage of "they turned Kaiden gay" or "a commander can't be homo." Or when people celebrating Kaidan's bisexuality were accused of "straight erasure." |
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Post by Lee on Sept 9, 2018 16:14:35 GMT
Kaidan storyline seems to imply to me that he isn't interested in anyone but Shepard. He tried to move on and it was not working at all. If you romanced him in 1 (thank you mods!) he's Shepard trash for life in my mind. I don't like the thoughts of seeing what would become of him without Shepard. I don't have to thankfully. Also, Steve is not good enough for Kaidan. That was a jest...but yeah, I don't ship. |
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Post by Rouccoco on Sept 9, 2018 16:31:49 GMT
Y'all can hate all you want, I'm gonna enjoy my perfect ending, where two soft gentle nerds get together  also, everything is green, which is cool too |
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Post by Red Fox on Sept 9, 2018 16:34:27 GMT
Who's hating? Doesn't bother me what other people prefer.
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Post by Lee on Sept 9, 2018 16:34:34 GMT
Y'all can hate all you want, I'm gonna enjoy my perfect ending, where two soft gentle nerds get together I'm glad you enjoy the game your way.  No hate intended. |
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Post by Rouccoco on Sept 9, 2018 17:11:28 GMT
I'm glad you enjoy the game your way. [img src="//storage.proboards.com/6753349/images/VuLUBWbeXlfqCxHojLIE.png" alt="[3" class="smile"] No hate intended. It was tongue in cheek  I never use y'all, when I'm serious. Also, I know only a total of 5 people can see them together. |
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Post by Lee on Sept 9, 2018 17:19:34 GMT
I'm glad you enjoy the game your way. No hate intended. It was tongue in cheek  I never use y'all, when I'm serious. Also, I know only a total of 5 people can see them together. Ah good to know. I just felt like joining in the conversation since nothing much else was being talked about at the moment. Sure don't have much to say about the indoctrination theory.  |
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Post by Red Fox on Sept 9, 2018 17:28:17 GMT
I read up on the indoctrination theory. It wouldn't surprise me if that was the plan they had scraped along with the whole dark energy thing.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 9, 2018 17:36:19 GMT
I read up on the indoctrination theory. It wouldn't surprise me if that was the plan they had scraped along with the whole dark energy thing. Doubtful. My understanding of reading about it was not good. Also, BW seemed to want Synthesis to seem to most "happy" ending. I see tons of down-the-road flaws but whatever. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 9, 2018 17:40:39 GMT
Shepard, whatever, but it's Kaidan I don't want to be lonely. Kaidan loves him. Kaidan believed he was never going to see Shepard again and you can practically see his heart breaking - that look on his face - when Shepard says his goodbye. Always makes me tear up.
I've seen the Kaidan/Cortez thing but that would be the same as Cortez crying over the loss of his husband and then jumping into bed with Shepard. Never sat well with me. Besides, who can compare to the hero of the galaxy? Well of course he cares about Shep, when romanced. There are BW LIs that obviously never find anyone, if the PC doesn't romance them, but Kaidan doesn't seem like that. That's why Shepard can help Cortez move on, and not take advantage of it, as many people have felt about that romance (plus, it has been two years, he's hardly jumping into bed with anyone), and let him and Kaidan fall in love. And it's Kaidan we're talking about, he's the last person to pay attention to hero status. My sig on BSN says: "If you talk shit about Kaidan, we're gonna have problems." No one talks shit about him, at least not anywhere I've read. Be glad you didn't see BSN post-launch then, when it was flooded with a barrage of "they turned Kaiden gay" or "a commander can't be homo." Or when people celebrating Kaidan's bisexuality were accused of "straight erasure." Two years? Didn't the events happen between ME2 and ME3, or maybe even during ME2? Regardless, Cortez is still crying over it. That's a guy still in mourning. I've heard the Shep/Cortez romance was sweet but I prefer a squadmate as my LI (which was what annoyed me about MEA - sorry Lee).
I've heard about things that went down about Kaidan. I have a pretty thick skin, though I'm sure what I had to say would have gotten me banned.
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Post by Lee on Sept 9, 2018 17:46:44 GMT
I've heard the Shep/Cortez romance was sweet but I prefer a squadmate as my LI (which was what annoyed me about MEA - sorry Lee). No worries! I feel the same way. It's just I happen to really love Jaal and he is a squadmate romance. I'm still salty that I had to wait 3 months, but he was worth the wait for me.  |
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Post by Rouccoco on Sept 9, 2018 18:27:21 GMT
I've heard about things that went down about Kaidan. I have a pretty thick skin, though I'm sure what I had to say would have gotten me banned. The whole forum looked like that. The DA team had to fight a lot of the trolls, who were moaning about how gay DA2 was. "How can there be 4 bi people in one group? PC gone mad!" Sometimes I don't wonder, why they closed the forum. I read up on the indoctrination theory. It wouldn't surprise me if that was the plan they had scraped along with the whole dark energy thing. I've seen far worse writing produce far more intricate fan theories. And I think that's the case here - people reading more into details than the writers ever anticipated. If it were the DA team, I would have believed that theory, they leave a lot of hints and bigger story threads. But the ME team never had this attention to plot details that the indoctrination theory would have required. |
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I never use y'all, when I'm serious. 
I never use y'all, when I'm serious. 
