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Post by dgcatanisiri on May 19, 2019 6:01:52 GMT
I’ve really wanted to pick Andromeda back up for a while myself. Even with Gil deserving so much fucking better, I miss him.
Of course, the stack of games I haven’t played has also gotten large enough that I’ve named it (it is the Stack of the Unplayed), and only destined to get larger, considering E3 is almost upon us, I am making a determined effort to play through some of these before going back to a game I already half more than half a dozen runs of under my belt.
Doesn’t help that this effort also takes me away from writing fic, so I can’t even revisit and supplement the romance that way...
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Post by disgustednoise on Sept 7, 2019 14:29:54 GMT
So I was playing through Leviathan in ME3 and I felt like EDI was taking a lot of lines I remember Kaidan having, so I went to YouTube to see if I could find a Kaidan in Leviathan supercut. (I couldn't really, they all were focused on just the romance lines.) Anyway, in the suggested videos was a Gil one that I decided to click on... and wow. I had almost forgotten how ridiculously attractive I find him. Like why can't anyone else write me a video game boyfriend who's silly and light-hearted, but secretly a deeply thoughtful and perceptive guy?
I haven't touched Andromeda since the on ice debacle because the whole thing was too painful, but I think after I finish ME3 and Greedfall I'll actually pick it up again. I think it will be worth it to compartmentalize all the could-have-beens and headcanon around all the trash decision made about the actual romance to get a little bit of time with my best boy.
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Sept 7, 2019 19:02:40 GMT
Yeah, that's always where it comes down to - there's so much untapped potential with Gil, utterly ignored to favor this plotline that... Really, the only people asking for it were the assholes demanding "justification" for why gay people are "allowed" on a colonization effort. Gil, as a character, had he gotten content that actually focused on his development and growth as a person, not this bullshit of reducing him to a turkey baster and making him happy about it, seems like someone I'd actively cite as my favorite romance of Andromeda, no caveats whatsoever, had all content been equal from the start.
Instead, though, I love him in spite of his writing, not because of it.
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Post by Scottphoto on Sept 15, 2019 22:09:48 GMT
So I was playing through Leviathan in ME3 and I felt like EDI was taking a lot of lines I remember Kaidan having, so I went to YouTube to see if I could find a Kaidan in Leviathan supercut. (I couldn't really, they all were focused on just the romance lines.) Anyway, in the suggested videos was a Gil one that I decided to click on... and wow. I had almost forgotten how ridiculously attractive I find him. Like why can't anyone else write me a video game boyfriend who's silly and light-hearted, but secretly a deeply thoughtful and perceptive guy? I haven't touched Andromeda since the on ice debacle because the whole thing was too painful, but I think after I finish ME3 and Greedfall I'll actually pick it up again. I think it will be worth it to compartmentalize all the could-have-beens and headcanon around all the trash decision made about the actual romance to get a little bit of time with my best boy. Yeah, I find him so attractive and get excited to see him every time when playing the game or just on a clip. It frustrates me still as he would be my guy in real life but then the romance how it plays out ugh lol. But yeah im going to have to headcanon a lot and fanfic write a lot for myself if I make a full run with him. |
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Sept 15, 2019 22:46:00 GMT
So I was playing through Leviathan in ME3 and I felt like EDI was taking a lot of lines I remember Kaidan having, so I went to YouTube to see if I could find a Kaidan in Leviathan supercut. (I couldn't really, they all were focused on just the romance lines.) Anyway, in the suggested videos was a Gil one that I decided to click on... and wow. I had almost forgotten how ridiculously attractive I find him. Like why can't anyone else write me a video game boyfriend who's silly and light-hearted, but secretly a deeply thoughtful and perceptive guy? I haven't touched Andromeda since the on ice debacle because the whole thing was too painful, but I think after I finish ME3 and Greedfall I'll actually pick it up again. I think it will be worth it to compartmentalize all the could-have-beens and headcanon around all the trash decision made about the actual romance to get a little bit of time with my best boy. Yeah, I find him so attractive and get excited to see him every time when playing the game or just on a clip. It frustrates me still as he would be my guy in real life but then the romance how it plays out ugh lol. But yeah im going to have to headcanon a lot and fanfic write a lot for myself if I make a full run with him. It'll be some time yet, since I have a handful of in-progress longfics already started, but I 100% intend to tackle this myself at some point in a full on longfic - I've done rewrites of canon before, and they have ended up being 10,000 words plus. Hell, my rewrite of Arrival to include Kaidan got to like 17000 words...
But yes, Gil deserved better, so by god I WILL provide him with it. Just have to decide the direction I want to take it.
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Post by disgustednoise on Sept 15, 2019 22:55:37 GMT
Yeah, I find him so attractive and get excited to see him every time when playing the game or just on a clip. It frustrates me still as he would be my guy in real life but then the romance how it plays out ugh lol. But yeah im going to have to headcanon a lot and fanfic write a lot for myself if I make a full run with him. It'll be some time yet, since I have a handful of in-progress longfics already started, but I 100% intend to tackle this myself at some point in a full on longfic - I've done rewrites of canon before, and they have ended up being 10,000 words plus. Hell, my rewrite of Arrival to include Kaidan got to like 17000 words...
But yes, Gil deserved better, so by god I WILL provide him with it. Just have to decide the direction I want to take it.
Wow, Kaidan (or I guess Ashley) being along for Arrival would actually get me to replay that DLC. I always skip it. |
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Dec 25, 2019 20:27:13 GMT
So, I did a thing that I swore I never would - I made a fic that addresses The Jill Thing openly.Fair warning, I honestly tried to provide a benefit of the doubt here - it's easy to just outright vilify her (I mean I generally refer to her as "the hellbeast," so...), and I don't think of that as narratively satisfying. No one likes a one-note villain and all that. So this isn't an outright bashing fic. But it about "hey Gil, this is toxic, maybe something about the situation needs to change." |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 16:07:54 GMT
Just started replaying Andromeda again. I went into it thinking that this would be my Reyes playthrough since I have still not done a proper Reyes romance playthrough at this point (my first playthrough was Gil; my second was Jaal and boy did I not enjoy that romance; and I have a post-Eos Sara playthrough with intentions for either Vetra or Suvi if I ever get around to it). But then I got to the first flirt dialogue after you escape from the Archon for the first time and now I'm like, "whelp, guess it's batter boosting time again." He's so handsome and charming. <swoon>
It really is a shame that they did him dirty with that questline. I'm not at all opposed to a "gay guy decides he wants to settle down and have a kid" plotline. We've not had one of those and it's romantic and interesting. But the "you must breed to be of value" undertones is definitely the wrong way to go about doing it. As is the lack of options for how to get that kid. I really don't want my Scott to be stuck with crazy Jill forever. Why couldn't they have given an option? Like an option between "random surrogate", Jill, and adoption.
Oh well, my Scott is fully on his way to becoming a dad again. Bumps along the way and all. Reyes, I hardly knew ye. You will remain the only m/m romance option in a Bioware game that I haven't gone for.
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Jun 21, 2020 19:56:34 GMT
I really don't care for Reyes, as a character or a character archetype. (ANOTHER bad boy as a M/M option. Thrilling. How very original.) And something just never really clicks for me with Jaal, probably something to do with both my own anxiety issues tripping into high gear at the lock-in scene and just the general "his bisexuality had been hacked out, so he ends up otherwise being portrayed almost aggressively straight" with things like the flirtation between him and Peebee.
You're right that the worst with Gil is that it's not INHERENTLY bad for him to get this story. It's not a thing for me for various reasons, and I always tell Gil "no" when he presents the choice (plus my various Gil-Ryder fics that explore it in greater detail), but... There's SOMETHING there. If they had made this seem at all like Gil's choice, his wants and desires, I'd be more accepting of it. But the whole thing basically treats him as the accessory to Jill, where she makes a demand and he jumps at her call. Which... I don't really need to say it, particularly here, but... "EW" is the nicest word for that.
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Post by Andrew Mancer on May 8, 2024 1:36:43 GMT
I'm still finishing up the original trilogy but as I play I find myself more and more excited to be with Gil again. I know his romance is awful but I still have a soft spot for him all these years later. Every time I pass Ken in engineering on the Normandy I just think "I'm glad the next engineer is gay", lol. I'm actually looking forward to playing Andromeda again more than I thought I would. I have other games I'm going to finish first (DA2, maybe Greedfall) but I'll get to it again in time. Looking forward to Gil.  |
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Post by dgcatanisiri on May 8, 2024 21:08:23 GMT
Yeah, as much as I hatehatehateHATE how he was handled, Gil himself is honestly pretty charming and fun - if there had been ANY legitimately effort put into writing him, I'd easily have him in the top range of my BioWare LIs. The problem is just how mistreated he is by his own writing.
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Post by turianlannister on May 10, 2024 4:55:29 GMT
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