mrslothy
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Post by mrslothy on May 24, 2017 21:30:51 GMT
Well, I hope they bring some more plot-relevant drama for the f/f. There's been a shady apostate for f/m, m/f, and m/m. Never for f/f. I want that shit for f/f. Everyone else should get their fluff, but give me the drama, backstabbing, crazy reveals, etc. I swear, they know lesbian relationships can be dramatic (see: Celene/Briala) but they almost never give us those morally ambiguous complicated lesbian romantic arcs for the player character. EDIT: Sorry, I know I'm a broken record by now. sister, with all the fuss about solas, i have a strong feeling you will get your wish.  |
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Post by gaycaravaggio on May 24, 2017 21:32:57 GMT
Well, I hope they bring some more plot-relevant drama for the f/f. There's been a shady apostate for f/m, m/f, and m/m. Never for f/f. I want that shit for f/f. Everyone else should get their fluff, but give me the drama, backstabbing, crazy reveals, etc. I swear, they know lesbian relationships can be dramatic (see: Celene/Briala) but they almost never give us those morally ambiguous complicated lesbian romantic arcs for the player character. EDIT: Sorry, I know I'm a broken record by now. sister, with all the fuss about solas, i have a strong feeling you will get your wish.    Please, DA writers... She doesn't even gotta be a mage. Just give me a hot lesbian to betray me for her ideals! (Can you tell I loved Isabela's romance?) |
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Post by Foelhe on May 24, 2017 21:41:09 GMT
I gotta gripe about Loghain's fanbase here. Not so much the people who think he's flawed but interesting, but I've seen more than one fan gushing over how honorable he is and how sad they are you don't get to work with him more. Admittedly, I'm from the South, so slavery is a bit of a hot-button issue for me, but, uh, seriously? The Alienage is the last level right before the Landsmeet, how do you forget the crap he pulled that fast?
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Post by gaycaravaggio on May 24, 2017 21:42:15 GMT
I'll go first: I really don't understand Gaspard fans.Celene fans... I get, to some extent, even if I'm no Celene fan. But all Gapard does is whine about how he should have the throne because birthright yadda yadda. It's annoying. It feels like the only reason you'd give him the Orlesian throne is because you either think he deserves it just by having royal blood (despite Celene also having royal blood) or because you hate the Great Game so much that you think he'll somehow be able to end that tradition. i find him relatively cultured/charming in convos, he did not strike me as a blodthirsty barbarian and i would support his mission to tone down "the game"- it seems annoying as hell. but that's it. i think celene and her "game" is shit BUT i simply cannot not support her enlightenment tendencies. education and science before war every time! i couldn't bring myself to support gaspard (and i intended to) even on my more pragmatic, templar run. I don't have faith in his ability to tone down the game. He's not that smart, tbh. And most rulers who focus on conquest to the exclusion of all else historically haven't done that well in peacetime. |
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mrslothy
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Post by mrslothy on May 24, 2017 21:45:07 GMT
i find him relatively cultured/charming in convos, he did not strike me as a blodthirsty barbarian and i would support his mission to tone down "the game"- it seems annoying as hell. but that's it. i think celene and her "game" is shit BUT i simply cannot not support her enlightenment tendencies. education and science before war every time! i couldn't bring myself to support gaspard (and i intended to) even on my more pragmatic, templar run. I don't have faith in his ability to tone down the game. He's not that smart, tbh. And most rulers who focus on conquest to the exclusion of all else historically haven't done that well in peacetime. and rulers who focused on reforms and betterment of the society (education, infrastructure...) almost always have "great" in their title somewhere. yeah, that was my reasoning too. |
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Post by gaycaravaggio on May 24, 2017 21:53:13 GMT
I don't have faith in his ability to tone down the game. He's not that smart, tbh. And most rulers who focus on conquest to the exclusion of all else historically haven't done that well in peacetime. and rulers who focused on reforms and betterment of the society (education, infrastructure...) almost always have "great" in their title somewhere. yeah, that was my reasoning too. It was also like... weird how Cullen of all people wanted Gaspard, despite Gaspard intending on taking back Ferelden? I guess they're both military-minded, though it seemed an odd writing choice considering Cullen's a Ferelden boy at heart with family still living there. |
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Post by toomanyclouds on May 24, 2017 22:02:06 GMT
I don't have faith in his ability to tone down the game. He's not that smart, tbh. And most rulers who focus on conquest to the exclusion of all else historically haven't done that well in peacetime. and rulers who focused on reforms and betterment of the society (education, infrastructure...) almost always have "great" in their title somewhere. yeah, that was my reasoning too. To be fair, Celene and her troops set fire to the elven quarter of Halamshiral after an uprising, so her handling of political troubles basically seems to be "kill everyone, hope that solves it, but not the woman I like 'cause only the lives of elves I don't sleep with don't matter". That's about as much as I managed to glean from the game, anyway. I'm sure the book goes into more detail. (And of course killing elves has never kept a DA ruler from having "great" in their title.") |
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mrslothy
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Post by mrslothy on May 24, 2017 22:02:42 GMT
and rulers who focused on reforms and betterment of the society (education, infrastructure...) almost always have "great" in their title somewhere. yeah, that was my reasoning too. It was also like... weird how Cullen of all people wanted Gaspard, despite Gaspard intending on taking back Ferelden? I guess they're both military-minded, though it seemed an odd writing choice considering Cullen's a Ferelden boy at heart with family still living there. i was also surprised by that, actually. hey kind of tried to pin it also to cullen's frustration with the game and the nobles but i think they just wanted a more even split of support between celene and gaspard |
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on May 24, 2017 22:06:07 GMT
Not gonna lie, I'd probably read Uprising if Kandros was awake because I like him, but I don't think he is and I don't really care about anyone in the Nexus leadership that much. Also, I haven't the best experience with video game tie-in novels. I mean, to be fair, the ME writers are not responsible for Karin Traviss' amazingly terrible Gears of War tie-in stuff, but once bitten, twice shy. He's awake. As he says in-game, he's away from the Nexus at the exact time of the uprising, but he's a fairly prominent character in the book. |
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mrslothy
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Post by mrslothy on May 24, 2017 22:09:00 GMT
and rulers who focused on reforms and betterment of the society (education, infrastructure...) almost always have "great" in their title somewhere. yeah, that was my reasoning too. To be fair, Celene and her troops set fire to the elven quarter of Halamshiral after an uprising, so her handling of political troubles basically seems to be "kill everyone, hope that solves it, but not the woman I like 'cause only the lives of elves I don't sleep with don't matter". That's about as much as I managed to glean from the game, anyway. I'm sure the book goes into more detail. (And of course killing elves has never kept a DA ruler from having "great" in their title.") true but almost all the "great" rules led wars and did atrocity here or there. history just likes to remember their better deeds i guess. of course, by no way am i trying to excuse this kind of behaviour. |
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Post by Catilina on May 24, 2017 22:10:16 GMT
and rulers who focused on reforms and betterment of the society (education, infrastructure...) almost always have "great" in their title somewhere. yeah, that was my reasoning too. It was also like... weird how Cullen of all people wanted Gaspard, despite Gaspard intending on taking back Ferelden? I guess they're both military-minded, though it seemed an odd writing choice considering Cullen's a Ferelden boy at heart with family still living there. Yes, this is weird, but there is one reason: Cullen, as a very pragmatic commander of Inquisition's army, wants a strong alliance for Inquisition, and he sees Gaspard stronger, than Celene. (Or just needed someone, who supports Gaspard as well, but as I remember Cassandra also supports Gaspard) |
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Post by The Haunting of Praise Adrast on May 24, 2017 22:13:10 GMT
Oghren. He was mildly irritating in Origins, so I left him at camp. I was bummed that HE, of all characters, returned for Awakening and his deadbeat dad storyline was the icing on a crap cake.
I also have had enough Varric, thank you. He's fine, especially in DA2. I don't necessarily dislike him, even. But he felt completely forced in Inquisition; I hope he stays in Kirkwall next game.
James Vega, no thank you. Although part of that, at least, is that FemShep is forced to either be an a-hole to him OR indulge him and throw herself at him.
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on May 24, 2017 22:17:12 GMT
To answer the question, I wouldn't say that there's a specific character whose fans I don't get. What I don't get is when people are such fans of characters/factions/races that they seem unable to admit their flaws. One of the main thrusts of the DA universe is that there are no 100% right answers or good characters. You just have to choose the shade of grey that you can live with most easily...
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Post by toomanyclouds on May 24, 2017 22:19:22 GMT
To be fair, Celene and her troops set fire to the elven quarter of Halamshiral after an uprising, so her handling of political troubles basically seems to be "kill everyone, hope that solves it, but not the woman I like 'cause only the lives of elves I don't sleep with don't matter". That's about as much as I managed to glean from the game, anyway. I'm sure the book goes into more detail. (And of course killing elves has never kept a DA ruler from having "great" in their title.") true but almost all the "great" rules led wars and did atrocity here or there. history just likes to remember their better deeds i guess. of course, by no way am i trying to excuse this kind of behaviour. That's true, but I think it doesn't paint a picture of her as capable leader, either. I mean, fact of the matter, she's not able to deal with Gaspard herself and her idea of culling political unrest is burning hundreds and thousands of people alive, which will only work so many times. As for Gaspard, probably a good general, don't think he'll do much as a king. Personally, I think all three of the possible rulers presented are complete clowns who deserve to be usurped. Maybe not a completely unrealistic depiction of politics, though, sometimes elections feel the same way.  |
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Post by coldchrome on May 24, 2017 22:20:33 GMT
To answer the question, I wouldn't say that there's a specific character whose fans I don't get. What I don't get is when people are such fans of characters/factions/races that they seem unable to admit their flaws. One of the main thrusts of the DA universe is that there are no 100% right answers or good characters. You just have to choose the shade of grey that you can live with most easily... DOG WAS PERFECT! |
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Post by toomanyclouds on May 24, 2017 22:22:23 GMT
Not gonna lie, I'd probably read Uprising if Kandros was awake because I like him, but I don't think he is and I don't really care about anyone in the Nexus leadership that much. Also, I haven't the best experience with video game tie-in novels. I mean, to be fair, the ME writers are not responsible for Karin Traviss' amazingly terrible Gears of War tie-in stuff, but once bitten, twice shy. He's awake. As he says in-game, he's away from the Nexus at the exact time of the uprising, but he's a fairly prominent character in the book. Oh, is he? I hadn't seen him in any of the plot synopsis(es?) of the book, but it's pretty cheap, so I might just get it, then. He's the only Nexus politician character (aside maybe from Kesh) who I got attached to. |
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Post by Catilina on May 24, 2017 22:23:14 GMT
To answer the question, I wouldn't say that there's a specific character whose fans I don't get. What I don't get is when people are such fans of characters/factions/races that they seem unable to admit their flaws. One of the main thrusts of the DA universe is that there are no 100% right answers or good characters. You just have to choose the shade of grey that you can live with most easily... The oppression's never gray. The characters can be gray. The perfect solution doesn't exist, but the absolutely unacceptable (black) "solution" exists. Fighting against oppression is "white", the tools can be "gray". |
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on May 24, 2017 22:26:54 GMT
He's awake. As he says in-game, he's away from the Nexus at the exact time of the uprising, but he's a fairly prominent character in the book. Oh, is he? I hadn't seen him in any of the plot synopsis(es?) of the book, but it's pretty cheap, so I might just get it, then. He's the only Nexus politician character (aside maybe from Kesh) who I got attached to. He's not a main "POV" character as he's Sloane's second-in-command, so he doesn't feature as heavily as the others, but he's important to Sloane and his absence is a fairly major plot-point. |
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Post by Aurora'Harel on May 24, 2017 22:27:15 GMT
I don't understand people, who consider Solas and/or Loghain more acceptable, than Anders. meh, I love all 3  |
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Post by Ark on May 24, 2017 22:28:28 GMT
To answer the question, I wouldn't say that there's a specific character whose fans I don't get. What I don't get is when people are such fans of characters/factions/races that they seem unable to admit their flaws. One of the main thrusts of the DA universe is that there are no 100% right answers or good characters. You just have to choose the shade of grey that you can live with most easily... DOG WAS PERFECT! He smelled terrible. There I said it. |
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