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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 1:46:33 GMT
To the discussion about Brie Larson's comments, I would add that, while the idea of people getting jobs based solely on their ability is a laudable aim, in the case of something as subjective as film criticism, there's more to it. We all have different life experiences, which give us different biases and different tastes. Two equally competent reviewers with different cultural identities will likely review the same film differently as seen through their contrasting prisms of experience. The broader the set of different backgrounds of reviewers (be that race, gender, ethnicity, sexuality or whatever), the better in my opinion. We need to see reviews from a wide variety of perspectives, to better cater to the wide variety of people who may want to see a film. Many fields, especially in the west, have historically been dominated by straight white men like me, and I'm personally all in favour of seeing more diversity. Actually for the sake of diversity, because the world is diverse. That's seems like a valid point to me. And you're right, I guess the situation would differ a bit in jobs like film critique where it's literally all about personal interpretation of a work. I just want everyone's voice to be heard. Everyone's. Whether I agree or not. Silencing anyone, especially due to something stupid like race, is not okay. Wanting to hear more diverse opinions on something is good though, it helps broaden perspective. I guess what I'm saying is, I see where she's coming from, even if I don't believe in diversity for the sake of diversity when it comes to everything. Like you said though, film's are subjective, so getting more diversity would only help. I didn't really think of like that before, but it makes sense for the job, and other jobs like it. |
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Post by * on Mar 10, 2019 7:28:05 GMT
So just got back from captain marvel. I really enjoyed it, great origin story for the character and a nice lead in to end game. I guarantee a lot of the "outrage" is the typical this movie is SJW crowd because the star isn't a straight white male.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 12:50:11 GMT
So just got back from captain marvel. I really enjoyed it, great origin story for the character and a nice lead in to end game. I guarantee a lot of the "outrage" is the typical this movie is SJW crowd because the star isn't a straight white male. I watched a political-free review of it on YouTube. He said it's not the best Marvel movie, but that he doesn't think anyone would regret seeing it. Based on that and what you say of it, I think everyone in my family will enjoy the film. (Still triggered no one wants to see Alita) |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 14:43:39 GMT
So just got back from captain marvel. I really enjoyed it, great origin story for the character and a nice lead in to end game. I guarantee a lot of the "outrage" is the typical this movie is SJW crowd because the star isn't a straight white male. I watched a political-free review of it on YouTube. He said it's not the best Marvel movie, but that he doesn't think anyone would regret seeing it. Based on that and what you say of it, I think everyone in my family will enjoy the film. (Still triggered no one wants to see Alita) Her big eyes trigger me, brrr😨🤣 |
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Post by * on Mar 10, 2019 14:45:09 GMT
So just got back from captain marvel. I really enjoyed it, great origin story for the character and a nice lead in to end game. I guarantee a lot of the "outrage" is the typical this movie is SJW crowd because the star isn't a straight white male. I watched a political-free review of it on YouTube. He said it's not the best Marvel movie, but that he doesn't think anyone would regret seeing it. Based on that and what you say of it, I think everyone in my family will enjoy the film. (Still triggered no one wants to see Alita) My friend said Alita was worth a watch, not sure when I'll see it myself. |
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Post by mediocreogre on Mar 10, 2019 15:33:34 GMT
To the discussion about Brie Larson's comments, I would add that, while the idea of people getting jobs based solely on their ability is a laudable aim, in the case of something as subjective as film criticism, there's more to it. We all have different life experiences, which give us different biases and different tastes. Two equally competent reviewers with different cultural identities will likely review the same film differently as seen through their contrasting prisms of experience. The broader the set of different backgrounds of reviewers (be that race, gender, ethnicity, sexuality or whatever), the better in my opinion. We need to see reviews from a wide variety of perspectives, to better cater to the wide variety of people who may want to see a film. Many fields, especially in the west, have historically been dominated by straight white men like me, and I'm personally all in favour of seeing more diversity. Actually for the sake of diversity, because the world is diverse. You are 100% correct. The thing is though, there are diverse reviewers. I can think of black publications, I can think of lgbtq publications, i’ve Written for soley Native journalist outlets, there are latinx publications, there are completely female news outlets, etc, that do movie reviews. the issue Brie was drawing attention to was partially an issue of platform as there are countless reviewers who are not the go to reviews for most Americans, and when white people say there needs to be “ more” PoC and imply there are none, what they tend to do is erase the ones that exist and the decades old publications that white people just get ignored and yet they get praise for said erasure. And then a push is made to hire one non white person at a traditionally white publication to say the things a white guy would say anyway. Look up black culture publications and their reviews of black panther compared to the “mainstream” culture articles about it. Completely different reviews, even if both authors were black. also, I have friends who are non white women who do press for movies and reviews in Hollywood. The issue is that actors/actresses and their agents and the movie PR team actively seek a handful of reviewers who are popular to do those sit down interviews. Brie Larsen could do a press tour on less mainstream media outlets, but that is not in the contract unless it is a publicity stunt to get her kudos. So what she said when translated from White Speak is “I acknowledge diversity when it is packaged correctly, we need to rebrand whiteness as diversity, I am woke!” which is just. Okay, we get it. The hard work only gets recognized when it is useful/comforting for the people in power. |
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Mar 10, 2019 18:20:41 GMT
To the discussion about Brie Larson's comments, I would add that, while the idea of people getting jobs based solely on their ability is a laudable aim, in the case of something as subjective as film criticism, there's more to it. We all have different life experiences, which give us different biases and different tastes. Two equally competent reviewers with different cultural identities will likely review the same film differently as seen through their contrasting prisms of experience. The broader the set of different backgrounds of reviewers (be that race, gender, ethnicity, sexuality or whatever), the better in my opinion. We need to see reviews from a wide variety of perspectives, to better cater to the wide variety of people who may want to see a film. Many fields, especially in the west, have historically been dominated by straight white men like me, and I'm personally all in favour of seeing more diversity. Actually for the sake of diversity, because the world is diverse. You are 100% correct. The thing is though, there are diverse reviewers. I can think of black publications, I can think of lgbtq publications, i’ve Written for soley Native journalist outlets, there are latinx publications, there are completely female news outlets, etc, that do movie reviews. the issue Brie was drawing attention to was partially an issue of platform as there are countless reviewers who are not the go to reviews for most Americans, and when white people say there needs to be “ more” PoC and imply there are none, what they tend to do is erase the ones that exist and the decades old publications that white people just get ignored and yet they get praise for said erasure. And then a push is made to hire one non white person at a traditionally white publication to say the things a white guy would say anyway. Look up black culture publications and their reviews of black panther compared to the “mainstream” culture articles about it. Completely different reviews, even if both authors were black. also, I have friends who are non white women who do press for movies and reviews in Hollywood. The issue is that actors/actresses and their agents and the movie PR team actively seek a handful of reviewers who are popular to do those sit down interviews. Brie Larsen could do a press tour on less mainstream media outlets, but that is not in the contract unless it is a publicity stunt to get her kudos. So what she said when translated from White Speak is “I acknowledge diversity when it is packaged correctly, we need to rebrand whiteness as diversity, I am woke!” which is just. Okay, we get it. The hard work only gets recognized when it is useful/comforting for the people in power. None of these issues are simple, that's for sure. I was tempted to write a whole paragraph about how the majority culture in an organisation or industry can make it uncomfortable to those who don't fit, and so they go elsewhere, so nothing ever changes, but I thought I would be straying too far from the topic of the movie thread. I certainly didn't mean to imply that there were no reviewers at specialist publications. Those reviews get to their specialist markets, and that's great, but the "mainstream" just carry happily on, with their readership unaware of what they aren't seeing, and I find that sad. I would hope to see more perspectives in publications designed for wider audiences. Of course, you are going to need specialist knowledge if a review gets too culturally specific, so a "mainstream" review is never going to be exactly the same as one for a specialist publication, but I do think that more can be done than is happening currently. Mainstream should default to "diverse" not "white", and not just to help out straight white guys like me. It would be good for different minority groups to get a better idea of each other's perspectives. It's not like there are no racist gay people or homophobic PoC... |
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 10, 2019 19:26:15 GMT
Captain Marvel has fared far worse than Black Panther. I'm sure the same types of people were reviewing both movies. I don't know if I think the same people who would dislike CM for a female lead would like a movie with a black lead.
That said, maybe we should move away from talk of MRA and feminism. There's no way it can go well.
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Post by mediocreogre on Mar 11, 2019 2:06:31 GMT
You are 100% correct. The thing is though, there are diverse reviewers. I can think of black publications, I can think of lgbtq publications, i’ve Written for soley Native journalist outlets, there are latinx publications, there are completely female news outlets, etc, that do movie reviews. the issue Brie was drawing attention to was partially an issue of platform as there are countless reviewers who are not the go to reviews for most Americans, and when white people say there needs to be “ more” PoC and imply there are none, what they tend to do is erase the ones that exist and the decades old publications that white people just get ignored and yet they get praise for said erasure. And then a push is made to hire one non white person at a traditionally white publication to say the things a white guy would say anyway. Look up black culture publications and their reviews of black panther compared to the “mainstream” culture articles about it. Completely different reviews, even if both authors were black. also, I have friends who are non white women who do press for movies and reviews in Hollywood. The issue is that actors/actresses and their agents and the movie PR team actively seek a handful of reviewers who are popular to do those sit down interviews. Brie Larsen could do a press tour on less mainstream media outlets, but that is not in the contract unless it is a publicity stunt to get her kudos. So what she said when translated from White Speak is “I acknowledge diversity when it is packaged correctly, we need to rebrand whiteness as diversity, I am woke!” which is just. Okay, we get it. The hard work only gets recognized when it is useful/comforting for the people in power. None of these issues are simple, that's for sure. I was tempted to write a whole paragraph about how the majority culture in an organisation or industry can make it uncomfortable to those who don't fit, and so they go elsewhere, so nothing ever changes, but I thought I would be straying too far from the topic of the movie thread. I certainly didn't mean to imply that there were no reviewers at specialist publications. Those reviews get to their specialist markets, and that's great, but the "mainstream" just carry happily on, with their readership unaware of what they aren't seeing, and I find that sad. I would hope to see more perspectives in publications designed for wider audiences. Of course, you are going to need specialist knowledge if a review gets too culturally specific, so a "mainstream" review is never going to be exactly the same as one for a specialist publication, but I do think that more can be done than is happening currently. Mainstream should default to "diverse" not "white", and not just to help out straight white guys like me. It would be good for different minority groups to get a better idea of each other's perspectives. It's not like there are no racist gay people or homophobic PoC... Mhm. There is validity to the strategy of mainstream institutions hiring diverse people but you have to hire them for their diverse view points and let them speak too. Which in the states we are becoming increasingly aware of mainstream institutions censoring what their employees can say. i just saw the movie. I liked it a whole lot. Definitely hard for me to judge it well as I am not a comic book person, but I thoroughly enjoyed myself and it is pretty interesting for an “origin” story which I am honestly getting tired of but I was into this. A little cheesy but hey, it’s a superhero movie. so let the haters hate. I know people who went just because they knew that people were review bombing it and they weren’t gonna go before. So funny. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 14:55:51 GMT
Everyone on this forum is so thoughtful with their points, it's a refreshing change from immature people just insulting everyone who disagrees with them.
Anyhow, my family might have to hold off on seeing it. My mom took my step-dad to the hospital this morning cause he's had a fever. Turns out he has some type of flu.
I've never had a flu shot so I'm hiding in my room indefinitely XD
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Post by * on Mar 11, 2019 15:11:02 GMT
Everyone on this forum is so thoughtful with their points, it's a refreshing change from immature people just insulting everyone who disagrees with them. Anyhow, my family might have to hold off on seeing it. My mom took my step-dad to the hospital this morning cause he's had a fever. Turns out he has some type of flu. I've never had a flu shot so I'm hiding in my room indefinitely XD Godspeed. |
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Mar 11, 2019 23:44:32 GMT
Today we saw Free Solo. Alex Honnold is just... Mentally unstable? Brilliant? Reckless? A perfectionist? Inspirational? All of the above? I don't really know, but it's a very impressive documentary.
We'll see Captain Marvel on Wednesday.
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Mar 13, 2019 22:19:20 GMT
Really enjpyed Captain Marvel. I'd put it a shade below my very favourite MCU movies but it was great. As someone who was 20 at the time this movie is set, the soundtrack was right up my alley, and I thought that Brie Larson was great. Also kudos to the SFX team for making me forget that Samuel L Jackson is actually 70... Although... Nick Fury waited until Thanos had won before paging her? It wasn't a real emergency before that point? |
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Post by * on Mar 14, 2019 1:08:43 GMT
Really enjpyed Captain Marvel. I'd put it a shade below my very favourite MCU movies but it was great. As someone who was 20 at the time this movie is set, the soundtrack was right up my alley, and I thought that Brie Larson was great. Also kudos to the SFX team for making me forget that Samuel L Jackson is actually 70... Although... Nick Fury waited until Thanos had won before paging her? It wasn't a real emergency before that point? Yea this kinda bothered me. There were also some retcons with the tesseract but oh wells, movie was fun tho. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 19:22:11 GMT
(My step dad is doing much better, back on his feet and his fever is gone.) My family just got back from seeing Captain Marvel, and... Well, frankly, I feel like I owe Brie Larson an apology. I was seeing all these bad reviews, saying she was forcing a feminist agenda that ruined the plot and was just awful. I was disheartened, and went to the movie with low expectations. This also affected my view of Brie herself, and I was very critical of her when she got political, even if her political views were inherently good. So, on that side note, I would like to say I was wrong about Brie Larson. She's an amazing actress and pulled off the role expertly. (She's also very pretty, but that has nothing to do with skill.) So, on the movie itself. (The tribute to Stan at the start was beautiful.) HOLY HELL, THE MOVIE IS AMAZING!!! The visuals were STUNNING. I loved seeing the Cree's home planet, even if only for a moment, and their technology looked complicated enough to be alien, but simple enough to still understand. Many reviews said the plot was mediocre, and I'm just like, "DID WE SEE THE SAME MOVIE!?" Was the villain a bit predictable? Sure, if you are very well versed in comic stories, but the twist is pulled off very well. I won't go into details to avoid spoilers, but the reveal is good. Carol is a really cool character. I went in expecting to LOATHE her, and instead ended up falling in love. She's witty, strong, and courageous, and will make an excellent addition to the Marvel universe. I can't wait to see her in Endgame! But, hands down, Goose was the best character. I will forever love him  Bonus points for great black representation! It didn't feel forced and it was nice to see black characters where their race wasn't a huge part of their role. Who cares about their skin? Several parts had me laughing. The humor in this movie is exactly my style and I love it. So, to anyone who hasn't seen it: Ignore the bad reviews, those people are too politically charged and what they're saying is literally just flat out WRONG. Take this from someone who went in LOOKING for flaws. Captain Marvel is truly freaking awesome. TL:DR Reviews are too politically biased these days and I was dumb enough to fall for it. Captain Marvel is a great movie. |
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Post by * on Mar 14, 2019 19:55:24 GMT
(My step dad is doing much better, back on his feet and his fever is gone.) My family just got back from seeing Captain Marvel, and... Well, frankly, I feel like I owe Brie Larson an apology. I was seeing all these bad reviews, saying she was forcing a feminist agenda that ruined the plot and was just awful. I was disheartened, and went to the movie with low expectations. This also affected my view of Brie herself, and I was very critical of her when she got political, even if her political views were inherently good. So, on that side note, I would like to say I was wrong about Brie Larson. She's an amazing actress and pulled off the role expertly. (She's also very pretty, but that has nothing to do with skill.) So, on the movie itself. (The tribute to Stan at the start was beautiful.) HOLY HELL, THE MOVIE IS AMAZING!!! The visuals were STUNNING. I loved seeing the Cree's home planet, even if only for a moment, and their technology looked complicated enough to be alien, but simple enough to still understand. Many reviews said the plot was mediocre, and I'm just like, "DID WE SEE THE SAME MOVIE!?" Was the villain a bit predictable? Sure, if you are very well versed in comic stories, but the twist is pulled off very well. I won't go into details to avoid spoilers, but the reveal is good. Carol is a really cool character. I went in expecting to LOATHE her, and instead ended up falling in love. She's witty, strong, and courageous, and will make an excellent addition to the Marvel universe. I can't wait to see her in Endgame! But, hands down, Goose was the best character. I will forever love him Bonus points for great black representation! It didn't feel forced and it was nice to see black characters where their race wasn't a huge part of their role. Who cares about their skin? Several parts had me laughing. The humor in this movie is exactly my style and I love it. So, to anyone who hasn't seen it: Ignore the bad reviews, those people are too politically charged and what they're saying is literally just flat out WRONG. Take this from someone who went in LOOKING for flaws. Captain Marvel is truly freaking awesome. TL:DR Reviews are too politically biased these days and I was dumb enough to fall for it. Captain Marvel is a great movie. I tend to ignore reviews in general. Glad you ended up enjoying it! |
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Mar 14, 2019 20:03:35 GMT
I was seeing all these bad reviews, saying she was forcing a feminist agenda that ruined the plot and was just awful. Usually, if you are in any way a tolerant person who sees diversity as a good thing, and someone whines about a feminist/gay/liberal agenda, it's a good idea to take what they say with a huge pinch of salt. I mean, the use of No Doubt's "Just a Girl" was pretty blatant (and I loved it), but beyond that... Meh. Do they think that a woman seeking to be a military pilot wouldn't have faced sexism at the time? If so, what planet do they live on? Certainly not the shithole that is C-53. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 20:11:10 GMT
I was seeing all these bad reviews, saying she was forcing a feminist agenda that ruined the plot and was just awful. Usually, if you are in any way a tolerant person who sees diversity as a good thing, and someone whines about a feminist/gay/liberal agenda, it's a good idea to take what they say with a huge pinch of salt. I mean, the use of No Doubt's "Just a Girl" was pretty blatant (and I loved it), but beyond that... Meh. Do they think that a woman seeking to be a military pilot wouldn't have faced sexism at the time? If so, what planet do they live on? Certainly not the shithole that is C-53. Yeah, exactly! They made it sound like the entire movie was centered around shoving a message down people's throat. Was there a message? Yeah, and it was delivered very well. I consider myself a tolerant person, the amount of bad reviews worried me though |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 21:09:25 GMT
Heres a nice interview between Brie and a very personable white man. I mean she sure does hate those white men.  She's pretty down to earth imo. Also I loved Scott Pilgrim. |
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Mar 14, 2019 21:20:49 GMT
I didnt watch the movie yet but I CANT WAIT, I always loved Carol Danvers as character and I think Brie is gonna rock it in the role! Also, the movie made almost $550 million in just one week and crybabies are saying that Disney bought the tickets and they are lying about the box office LMAO  shame Marvel took so long doing a female lead superhero film, Marvel universe is full of awesome women damn it but I hope this changes things. |
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