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Post by izut on Oct 27, 2018 17:10:53 GMT
Ya know, I genuinely don't get all the calls/excitement for a remaster. Unless it greatly changes certain things about the games (i.e. certain storylines, and conversations, and the ending, and the lack of gay) it's just not something I'd ever be interested in. Pretty graphics just aren't enough to get me to pay for a game again. I guess I can understand it from a 'ME1 is horribly outdated and some machines might not be able to run it someday soon' sort of way though. I have old games I'd like to play but my PC acts like I've stuffed moldy bread into it when I try.Plus I'm just feeling pissy about the ME franchise in general after the way MEA was handled and then dropped.  That's the main reason for me; ME1 in particular tends to be strangely finnicky on modern hardware. There's also the fact that buying all the DLC is still an annoying hassle that could easily be fixed by an "Ultimate Edition" release of sorts, and that a rerelease for modern consoles would let more people enjoy the trilogy.
There are lots of things I'd want them to fix before I purchase a rerelease, but even a fairly limited remaster would get me excited because of how much easier it'd be for new players to get into the trilogy with a single all-in-one package for modern hardware.
Xbox One have MET with backward compatibility BUT if you live in a region that doesn't support language of some DLCs, you can't have a full MET experience bc you can't buy those DLCs even if you own English versions of the game. Years ago it was possible with Microsoft money. I had to buy the whole thing AGAIN on PC to be able to play with all DLCs... I'd gladly buy a whole thing again if it's remastered, just so I can play it the way I like - on a console. |
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Post by Vy on Oct 27, 2018 17:33:09 GMT
That's the main reason for me; ME1 in particular tends to be strangely finnicky on modern hardware. There's also the fact that buying all the DLC is still an annoying hassle that could easily be fixed by an "Ultimate Edition" release of sorts, and that a rerelease for modern consoles would let more people enjoy the trilogy.
There are lots of things I'd want them to fix before I purchase a rerelease, but even a fairly limited remaster would get me excited because of how much easier it'd be for new players to get into the trilogy with a single all-in-one package for modern hardware.
Xbox One have MET with backward compatibility BUT if you live in a region that doesn't support language of some DLCs, you can't have a full MET experience bc you can't buy those DLCs even if you own English versions of the game. Years ago it was possible with Microsoft money. I had to buy the whole thing AGAIN on PC to be able to play with all DLCs... I'd gladly buy a whole thing again if it's remastered, just so I can play it the way I like - on a console. Yeah, the whole DLC situation is better than it used to be (Origin's "bundles" are certainly an improvement), but it's still generally a disorganized mess - especially where localization is concerned, like you said.
I could also see it as a marketing or research move by EA. There's been some recent disappointment with EA/Bioware due to Andromeda being Andromeda, Anthem shifting away from Bioware's usual single player formula, and no word when Bioware plans on returning to ME, DA, or even a single player KOTOR game. A rerelease could be used to test the waters and see how much interest there still is in the original trilogy before making any public announcements about Bioware's next project after Anthem and/or EA's plans for the ME IP.
On a personal note, my roommate's been playing through the original trilogy on my PC; he generally prefers consoles, so we use a Steam Controller and plug the computer into the living room TV, and I watch and provide tips and trivia from the back seat. I'd love to be able to gift him his own copy of the trilogy when he finishes his playthrough, and an Ultimate Edition rerelease or remaster or what have you would make that much easier.
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Post by izut on Nov 7, 2018 14:49:44 GMT
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Post by izut on Nov 9, 2018 22:47:15 GMT
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Post by turianlannister on Jun 18, 2020 22:06:57 GMT
www.nexusmods.com/masseffect3/mods/691Just found out abour this extensive mod for ME3 It does stuff like adding turian women and krogan, elcor, vorcha, quarians and hanar to the citadel, giving armour to certain characters, replacing armour with civilian clothes for other characters, replacing that indoctrinated hanar's human body guard with a drell, giving Jack a new outfit in Grissom academy, showing Kasumi's face more clearly, giving squadmates, Joker, Sam and Steve unique outfits in the citadel dlc, giving some squadmates casual outfits, etc It looks like a good mod and I'm planning on using it in my next OT playthrough
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Post by turianlannister on Jan 25, 2021 0:14:25 GMT
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Post by Andrew Mancer on Jan 25, 2021 4:49:22 GMT
...Of course it's the gay content that gets cut out for "controversy"...
Jack, Kaidan, and ALL the others need their sexual orientations restored in these remasters because there is no excuse for it anymore.
They do not deserve our money if they cant - at the very least - do what modders have done and restore and fix what is already there.
If fans can do it, so can they.
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Jan 25, 2021 7:41:12 GMT
...Of course it's the gay content that gets cut out for "controversy"... Jack, Kaidan, and ALL the others need their sexual orientations restored in these remasters because there is no excuse for it anymore. They do not deserve our money if they cant - at the very least - do what modders have done and restore and fix what is already there. If fans can do it, so can they. I can UNDERSTAND (not condone, just understand) where the idea came from to remove it. Unfortunately, I remember that even in 2010, it wasn't the best attitude - sometimes it's easy to forget how unfavorable the first decade of the 21st century was for queer people when you compare it to the second decade. 2010 was still in the aftermath of the Bush years, and still struggling to see marriage equality as a right, gay characters on screen being hard to come by... The atmosphere was a different one, even in the face of what we see as the ongoing fight today. Still, yeah... We DEFINITELY deserve to have these things restored. That's what I've been saying since announcement, hell, long before it - a full trilogy M!Shepard/Kaidan romance was mandatory for me to buy it, and now I'll easily include restoring Jack's romance. These were meant to be there and the reasons they weren't are no longer justifiable. |
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Post by Rouccoco on Jan 25, 2021 13:31:04 GMT
DA always had m/m romances and ME always had at least some f/f romances. I'm not giving them anything. They made a calculated choice that cannot be blamed on anyone but the ME team. Appealing to straight shooter bros is in ME's DNA.
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Post by mediocreogre on Jan 25, 2021 15:23:38 GMT
I don’t know the specifics of the plots of 1 and 2 but I isn’t Liara basically pansexual? So Jack being pan and then that was cut has probably more to do with BW going from pre-EA to post EA and EA has some progressive franchises but it mostly acquired them (like the Sims) and really they don’t push for diverse stories and characters and instead push for financially successful products, which at times means they’ll be more than happy to hide lgbtq content, and then post about supporting pride every June.
And yeah part of the reason I haven’t played ME 1 and 2 was it was never marketed to me, and the general consensus online was that DA was lgbtq “friendly” and ME was progressive but had elements of courting straight gamer bro culture, and only post ME3 did that change a bit. Even MEA, a post 2017 product, was weird with its Lgbtq representation where as DAI, released in 2014 did things markedly more vocal if imperfect. And isn’t there like an infamous ME book where they made a gay male character fall in love with an Asari? I doubt EA influenced that. And I really, really think you can see a sort of... ambivalence toward lgbtq content in vanilla MEA, where Gil’s romance felt the need to justify gay humans existing in the plot.
But there was always a trope in sci-if and fantasy that human women kissing and loving female presenting aliens/races is not the same as two human women together. So maybe even internally at BW Liara was “okay” but a pan Jack was “too much”. That said you can’t explain ME’s slowness with simply sci-if tropes, conservative culture in the populace generally, EA mandates, or BioWare. It’s a complicated conundrum why ME tends to disappoint lgbtq players.
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Post by Rouccoco on Jan 25, 2021 17:31:46 GMT
EA has some progressive franchises but it mostly acquired them (like the Sims) You're thinking of SimCity. The Sims was always developed under EA. Like literally, Hudson and the doctors explained around ME1 that Shepard, no matter the gender, is always a defined straight character, and that the Asari don't count, because they're monogender. They forgot about that, when they added Kelly as an option in ME2, a human woman. It was always about not wanting to have gay/bi men in the game, we just don't know, if it was a target demo thing, or just someone high up didn't want that in their manly shooter. DAO was published 2 years after ME1, Jade Empire 2 years before, both had m/m options. Both games had similar personnel, while the ME team came from KOTOR. Say what you will about the specific romances, but the DA devs said around 2 that they will absolutely not make a gay switch and people should deal with it. Vs Hudson not even a year later, grovelling in front of homophobes angry about Steve's leaked scene, explaining that the only reason they added m/m romances is because people "demanded" it. |
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Post by Lee on Jan 25, 2021 20:42:32 GMT
The Mass Effect team is awful. That is a certainty. If it wasn't for the good heart of their writer and our endless demands we'd not have anything there.
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Post by turianlannister on Jan 25, 2021 23:04:22 GMT
I don’t know the specifics of the plots of 1 and 2 but I isn’t Liara basically pansexual? So Jack being pan and then that was cut has probably more to do with BW going from pre-EA to post EA and EA has some progressive franchises but it mostly acquired them (like the Sims) and really they don’t push for diverse stories and characters and instead push for financially successful products, which at times means they’ll be more than happy to hide lgbtq content, and then post about supporting pride every June. And yeah part of the reason I haven’t played ME 1 and 2 was it was never marketed to me, and the general consensus online was that DA was lgbtq “friendly” and ME was progressive but had elements of courting straight gamer bro culture, and only post ME3 did that change a bit. Even MEA, a post 2017 product, was weird with its Lgbtq representation where as DAI, released in 2014 did things markedly more vocal if imperfect. And isn’t there like an infamous ME book where they made a gay male character fall in love with an Asari? I doubt EA influenced that. And I really, really think you can see a sort of... ambivalence toward lgbtq content in vanilla MEA, where Gil’s romance felt the need to justify gay humans existing in the plot. But there was always a trope in sci-if and fantasy that human women kissing and loving female presenting aliens/races is not the same as two human women together. So maybe even internally at BW Liara was “okay” but a pan Jack was “too much”. That said you can’t explain ME’s slowness with simply sci-if tropes, conservative culture in the populace generally, EA mandates, or BioWare. It’s a complicated conundrum why ME tends to disappoint lgbtq players. The book was Mass Effect Deception, I haven't read it but iirc the gay dude admired an asari's ass or something, the whole book was a shit show due to the writer not doing research, the book took place two years after the last book but two characters were now four years older than they had been in that book, the autistic character's autism was never mentioned, the thing the book's most infamous for is Kai Leng breaking into Anderson's apartment and asserting his dominance by eating Anderson's cereal (yes, really, and as a result a cereal killer joke when around the fandom), Kai Leng being on a stake out and wondering which vase he was going to piss in, there was also a lot of other lore in contradicted, oh wait, just remembered another one, according to Kaidan getting a biotic implant removed and replaced with a new one is an extremely complicated and risky surgery but in the book Gillian was able to go to a shady back street clinic and get a new upgraded implant with no problems Someone made a rage comic based on it: imgur.com/a/lAVji#0 |
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Jan 26, 2021 0:42:58 GMT
Yeah, there was a whole Google doc detailing the mistakes in Decpetion. It... goes ON.
Book was originally published in 2012. Those promised revisions are... not likely at this point. I think the whole book has just been quietly dropped.
Seriously, just in general, I have NO idea how that thing even got past editing, cuz it’s riddled with this stuff. Like I’ve been open about being a multimedia junkie with my franchises, but I steered clear of this trainwreck.
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Post by turianlannister on Jan 26, 2021 23:04:47 GMT
Yeah, there was a whole Google doc detailing the mistakes in Decpetion. It... goes ON. Book was originally published in 2012. Those promised revisions are... not likely at this point. I think the whole book has just been quietly dropped. Seriously, just in general, I have NO idea how that thing even got past editing, cuz it’s riddled with this stuff. Like I’ve been open about being a multimedia junkie with my franchises, but I steered clear of this trainwreck. The first thing mentioned was a batarian embassy on the citadel when the batarians closed their embassy after the council sided with the humans over the batarians in a colonisation dispute |
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Post by mediocreogre on Jan 27, 2021 19:19:41 GMT
EA has some progressive franchises but it mostly acquired them (like the Sims) You're thinking of SimCity. The Sims was always developed under EA. Like literally, Hudson and the doctors explained around ME1 that Shepard, no matter the gender, is always a defined straight character, and that the Asari don't count, because they're monogender. They forgot about that, when they added Kelly as an option in ME2, a human woman. It was always about not wanting to have gay/bi men in the game, we just don't know, if it was a target demo thing, or just someone high up didn't want that in their manly shooter. DAO was published 2 years after ME1, Jade Empire 2 years before, both had m/m options. Both games had similar personnel, while the ME team came from KOTOR. Say what you will about the specific romances, but the DA devs said around 2 that they will absolutely not make a gay switch and people should deal with it. Vs Hudson not even a year later, grovelling in front of homophobes angry about Steve's leaked scene, explaining that the only reason they added m/m romances is because people "demanded" it. I guess I was young but I remember the maxis logo and will Wright memes in the Sims and only noticed the EA branding in Sims 2. But the more you know. kotor also cut Juhani from being f/f. But I could see that being Lucas Arts influence. But if ME evolved from Kotor that could be another sign. BioWare definitely gets a lot of cred for being pro lgbtq when they’ve mostly been a mixed bag. It’s just most other game studios are even worse. |
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Post by turianlannister on Jan 28, 2021 17:43:15 GMT
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Post by Rouccoco on Jan 28, 2021 19:36:55 GMT
So the ME team management decided that the US or gamers at large were not ready to see m/m romances, but the JE and DA team decided they were, even though the rpg crowd was seen as no less a straight guys zone than shooters?
I remember people on bsn like pushing against my posts about ME management being way way worse, when it comes to inclusiveness, and well, they were clearly wrong...
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Jan 29, 2021 0:03:40 GMT
I don't disagree re: BioWare's inclusiveness, but... I think it might be as much a genre problem as a BioWare problem. Like, I'm not minimizing their part in it, but... I've been hunting for M/M focused books lately, and finding fantasy novels with M/M protagonists is relatively simple. But sci-fi? Not many of those. In fact, looking for "queer men in sci fi novels" directed me almost immediately to this blog post on the subject, pointing out that this is a phenomenon across the genre. Like, I just ordered a bunch of books off Amazon, and they're all either set in fantasy worlds or magical-modern settings. The one explicitly sci-fi gay novel I have is Emily Skrutskie's Bonds of Brass, which was released back in mid-March or so. Like, I'm not letting BioWare off the hook or anything - I'm now firmly on "then make them all bi, or I give not one queer three dollar bill" about the remaster. But it's also a genre at large problem. |
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Post by farferello on Jan 29, 2021 16:48:09 GMT
Considering the whole grossness of Jacob cheating/impregnating another character in ME3 I'm not sure he'd have been a great bi rep anyway. If they'd made him gay and thus that whole cheating/pregnancy storyline didn't happen then it might not have been so bad. (Unless they still made him cheat.) But it still sucks that these same sex romances (his, and Jack) were intended only for someone to pull the trigger on it at the last moment and stop it. But whether it's just different Bioware teams at fault, or the genre as a whole there's definitely a notable difference in representation between the sci fi genre and the medieval/fantasy-esque genre given how... uneven it feels between Bioware's two bigger franchises of Mass Effect and Dragon Age. As much as I enjoy playing ME, I'm still not touching the remaster unless they make Kaidan bi from the start. But if all they're going to do is make the graphics look better... well, I can already accomplish that on PC.  I'm just getting real tired of Bioware cutting same sex romances for whatever reason at the final hour. This goes for their other series, SWTOR is also a victim of it. |
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I'm just getting real tired of Bioware cutting same sex romances for whatever reason at the final hour. This goes for their other series, SWTOR is also a victim of it.
