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Post by mediocreogre on Sept 25, 2023 21:35:49 GMT
I bet they felt like they had to add drama to the V lives ending cause if it’s just Johnny that dies, we know from Cyberpunk Red (which CDPR says is cannon and came out before CO2077) that the real Johnny and Real Alt exist. So they… did the companion drama. Definitely not a fan and the DLC kinda seems mid for the big redemption they are having I guess this is a spoiler but basically in the update patch they added an arcade game raid on Arasaka tower. It reveals the magenta mystery basically. The top score in the game is Morgan Blackhand, who in the OG TT games and in Red was the one who faced off against Adam Smasher. Johnny died to some random soldier.
So basically that’s CDPR’s lazy way of explaining shit. The Johnny in the artifact is not really Johnny. It’s an amalgam of Johnny and Morgan Blackhand. There’s other pieces to the puzzle, but it’s now pretty clear. Spider Murphy is involved in something, probably to do with the sequel. In the TT she and Alt are doing something with the AI version of Bartmoss. In the game her name is now associated with the full meaning of magenta that is yet to be revealed. We know she’s basically planning an end to the New net which she feels was a mistake and we know the fake Alt is a rogue AI eating consciousnesses for power to do with tearing down the Blackwall.
I honestly think CDPR fucjed up when making the game about Johnny and kinda ignored the lore, and hijacked fan interest in the magenta statues and shoe horned in this semi satisfying resolution. We know at one time a Morgan Blackhand was going to be Johnny before they got Keanu, so here it is. A big old wet fart of a revelation. |
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Post by farferello on Sept 26, 2023 4:40:19 GMT
Seems like a pretty sucky ending, it's a very clear yeah everyone moved on, you lived but at what cost, get fucked V which def feels like a nice fuck you from cdpr to the players.  I think I'll pass on this for now, will need to see more details about what exactly happens. But if all your romances just fuck off and leave you then yeah that's kind of a shit 'yeah you lived but now what are you alive for when you're all alone' and bleh. I think I'll stick with the head canon endings for my characters. |
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Sept 26, 2023 11:29:53 GMT
Ehh...
Much as I don't particularly care for Johnny Silverhand, I'm not inclined to lean to this new ending, honestly. It does basically come across as a big "F U!" to anyone who didn't like how the endings were before. Also seems like it's continuing that thing that I hated about the way that the game framed the idea of V making a choice to do what is best on their terms as them being selfish - the way that the others respond to V killing themselves so their brain doesn't liquefy, that if they're dying either way, it should be on their terms, is to lambast them...
Like it may have been meant to say "there's always hope" and such, but it comes across as condemnation of making a choice about a terminal diagnosis, to go out on your terms, as yourself, and that... That's a lesson I've had hammered in by experience.
So assuming I do go and upgrade to next gen Cyberpunk and pick up the DLC, I'll probably just stick with my running of the Star ending.
Especially if you consider the fact that, if you do Phantom Liberty and then take any of the other endings... You DO have access to these resources afterwards, V has going for some assistance on the table. So... V now actually DOES have a possible future after Alt's prognosis, at least in some form. The pronouncement that Alt originally offers no longer seems so set "end of the road" date. So even if it's another ending I'll never take... I suppose it's something.
Like, for me, the problem I've had from the endings were not where they ended, unless you count the idea of going off to join the Aldecaldos when they're a Night City native. My issue was always that the endings being so strictly lineated like they are is nonsensical in practical terms - honestly, if I were to add an ending myself, it'd be about blending between V and Johnny, and doing that by way of joining at least Panam and Rogue's forces, if not more factions. Arguing one or the other couldn't do this, and it had to be both of them. Like, that feels like the foreshadowing of something like the Delamain questline was offering. Instead, it's not even suggested.
I just keep coming to this idea of no one involved really seemed to know what they were doing with this game, and have just kinda thrown things at the wall without actually letting anything cohere together like it should. Lot of good ideas, but no one really managed to pull them together.
There's an epitaph for the game...
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Post by farferello on Sept 26, 2023 12:34:51 GMT
So I went hunting for full spoilers and it does pretty much feel like you want V to live? Okay, well they can but fuck you. Ending spoilers in the cut. V has been cured. No more Soulkiller; no more Johnny Silverhand.
V's cyberware implants have also been removed. Any attempt to use a combat implant can lead to their death. Solomon Reed does offer you a job in his office, which your character declines.
Worse, the operation caused V to fall into a coma for two years. The moment you wake up, you'll be able to call your old companions. It seems that a lot of things have happened since you've been gone:
Judy - We played a FemV in our campaign, and we romanced Judy. Given that two years have passed, the relationship between the two has ended, and Judy is already married to someone else.
Panam - Panam's not answering her phone. In a post-credits scene, Mitch tells you that your disappearance "broke" her, and that you should stop contacting her for good.
Kerry - Kerry's touring Europe now, and he's got no time for you.
River - Due to certain mishaps, River committed a few crimes and got on the bad side of some dangerous people.
Viktor - He attempts to run diagnostics, only to realize that there's really no way to reverse what happened to V's neural link.
Rogue, meanwhile, says that you're always welcome in the Afterlife bar, but she also doesn't want you to tarnish your legend.
Takemura also tells you about how he and Hanako attempted to overthrow Yorinobu Arasaka. Without V's help, this ended in failure--Hanako was killed, and Takemura was falsely accused of her murder.
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So it looks like no matter what you did, who you helped, and who you romanced, everyone moved on without you for two years and now you're alive but you're essentially a nothing and no one.
If that's not a final fuck you from cdpr I don't know what is. Yeah, head canon happy ending it is.
I've kind of lost all interest in ever playing this game again.
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Post by mediocreogre on Sept 26, 2023 13:15:02 GMT
Yikes. It also is particularly bad for Kerry romances… as it was already debatable if he liked V for V or Johnny. Now it’s pretty clear lol
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Post by farferello on Sept 26, 2023 16:40:10 GMT
Yikes. It also is particularly bad for Kerry romances… as it was already debatable if he liked V for V or Johnny. Now it’s pretty clear lol I would say that maybe it's slightly different if you're a male V who romanced him (considering the person in the post played fem!V with Judymance) but... I have a sad feeling it would make no difference at all and considering everything you do for him it's kinda ouch. And like you said, really adds to the 'well Johnny is gone so Kerry doesn't give a shit about you anymore' vibe. |
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Post by Scottphoto on Sept 26, 2023 23:24:54 GMT
I found holo calls of all chars including Kerry but as friend, honestly it isn’t as bad as I thought but it really feels forced writting that V has to feel miserable:
New Phantom DLC dialogues with kerry and the others as well, during the story not the ending time:
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Sept 27, 2023 6:21:24 GMT
Dunno what the video maker's relationship with Kerry was in their game, but... Yeah, really does kinda keep me feeling like Kerry's not worth it as a romance under any circumstances. Like, to his credit, I will grant that he does seem to want to talk to V while being caught at a bad moment, but just... It honestly does reinforce the feeling of the relationship he has with V, individually, on their own, separate from Johnny, doesn't have the weight of a relationship that he expected to last.
Especially when you compare his reaction to V being alive versus him finding out that Johnny is back in his questline. The circumstances were different, sure, but when Johnny's back in his life, he immediately carves out time to do something with Johnny in setting up the concert, Johnny is instantly on his schedule. With V, he doesn't even say something like 'the tour's almost up, wait for me,' or 'tell me where you are, I'll ship you up to join me.'
Anyway, yeah, like I said, may upgrade to next gen for the DLC proper, not taking the new ending. At least with the idea that this new ending offers of there being a potential treatment for V, there's a shot that V could get a life extension regardless now. I'm taking that as a way to claim that V gets to survive and, in my happy headcanon land, is together with PI River Ward.
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Post by arjonet on Sept 27, 2023 10:28:34 GMT
Here ending with Kerry romance, and I really like it. I guess this will be my canon ending for V. More stable life with his sugar daddy boyfriend after they will met up.
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Post by arjonet on Sept 27, 2023 10:32:42 GMT
Especially when you compare his reaction to V being alive versus him finding out that Johnny is back in his questline. The circumstances were different, sure, but when Johnny's back in his life, he immediately carves out time to do something with Johnny in setting up the concert, Johnny is instantly on his schedule. With V, he doesn't even say something like 'the tour's almost up, wait for me,' or 'tell me where you are, I'll ship you up to join me.' Well in that time he did not really had any schedule at all, so it makes sense that he had time. Also he really live in the past so that why he did that concert. But V helped him to move on so he is happy to be able to be on stage again. |
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Post by mediocreogre on Sept 27, 2023 13:02:05 GMT
It’s not explicitly as strained as the Judy outcome, but maybe I’m bringing my personal baggage into this but that sounds like a classic string a long. Irregardless, might be the better ending. I don’t think they resolved much about Johnny besides further hinting He’s an AI so it’s not a big deal to lose him imo, nor does losing “most implants” when canonically Morgan Blackhand (who used almost no implants) stood toe to toe with full chrome jobs like Adam smasher. But it’s surprising how positively they represented NUSA and how they yet again did the cliche femme fatale with Songbird. Also they kinda did a repeat of the VooDoo boys with getting to wipe out yet another group of talented Haitian netrunners. Kinda weird. |
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Post by farferello on Sept 27, 2023 13:27:10 GMT
For that being the best outcome out of the four romance choices it still kinda sucks. Kerry's clearly moved on and has no time for you even if he's promising to meet up with you in four months. (Why not fly V over to him? Not like V has much else going on at that point.) And idk, as soon as he realized it was V and not Johnny he definitely seemed less enthused. I guess you can use it as part of your head canon, let V be Kerry's sugar baby, maybe he can help out with tour stuff if he's that way inclined - maybe V would be happy to sit back and do nothing but be pampered by his rockstar boyfriend for the rest of his life (which, fair, considering the shit he has been through.) The dlc still overall feels like 'you wanted a V lives ending? Okay we will give you it, but they're fucked in every way and everyone has moved on and abandoned them and their life going forward is probably going to suck.' I uninstalled the game. I was really hopeful for a better ending, but I'll stick with head canon for the V's that I have. It's not like any of them had canon romances anyway. |
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Post by Scottphoto on Sept 27, 2023 20:10:44 GMT
Here ending with Kerry romance, and I really like it. I guess this will be my canon ending for V. More stable life with his sugar daddy boyfriend after they will met up. Is nice you can dismiss going further on johnny and just make it about V and Kerry does respond about V and forgets Johnny. Is an all right ending but I wish it felt more reassuring, perhaps the problem lies in them trying to make it pretty neutral non romance most of the dialogue, as I saw a non romanced Judy had almost exact same dialogue as the romanced version. Not the best course of action for Kerry in particular to show hope more between them but alas. It still sucks like farferello said how they want V just to feel like crap no matter what and make sure we don’t treat it as a happy ending. Feels a bit baited when they teased us the potential of this ending. Granted, probably not good for the best ending to be paid dlc but still. |
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Post by Lee on Nov 2, 2023 7:22:24 GMT
So as I feared netrunner has changed far too much for my liking. All the powers do less damage and cost more ram. You have to use your health with a new Overclock system to get more ram-but it doesn't last long enough. I tried to take out one of the small NPC scanner quests and ran out of ram before I could complete even that. I could have hidden (maybe) and waited for overclock or my ram to restore...but what if I was in a boss fight? I'd be dead, that's what.  |
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Post by Scottphoto on Nov 28, 2023 5:37:57 GMT
I am 6 hours in on this game and I gotten sleepy through my sessions I won't lie XD. There are so many great men you meet back-to-back and it sucks they are not romance. The background of V at the beginning lasted like 3 minutes, and it was an interesting story being corpo and was dropped for.... whatever this is. Weird how you get this whole montage with Jackie instead of experiencing it yourself, like I feel I missed good times between them and basically missed a chance of them being something more. Then I meet the nice doctor that puts me cyber ish stuff which again good chemistry with him but nop, no romance. Then I meet this hot bartender Matteo, but nop can't even do a throwaway flirt attempt. But hey I get to carry a naked lady on my first mission and talk to another lady in a private room with a naked holo lady. Then suddenly I'm on this vr thing where I become a woman and I touch a mans balls I guess. Like what even is this game XD. But the worst part of it is how boring it feels to me it all plays out in first person, I feel is the opposite of immersion for me because I literally can just wank on top of them and they just keep talking. I ended up doing photo mode pics every time to try and turn things into a cutscene out of desperation. But yeah I'm still quite early in the game, still don't have Silverhand but I'm about to do that whole thing now. I guess will see if I start enjoying it eventually... I do like my V though but hard to keep playing for that when I can barely see him. They could have kept everything fps but did proper cutscenes and I would have been fine with it. le pics: |
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Post by mediocreogre on Nov 28, 2023 6:33:27 GMT
It’s definitely an experience game. You have to play it so you can understand it’s many warts and buried kernels of promise half baked.
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Nov 28, 2023 8:28:41 GMT
Yeah, the locked first person perspective is just ridiculous. The endgame goes into third person, and I felt so much more connection to my character.
One of the ways we as human connect emotionally is through eye contact, through seeing eyes. Not getting to see V’s eyes throughout the game honestly seems like a loss of that connection, that the player misses out on that way to connect with this character they’re supposed to be in control of.
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Post by Scottphoto on Dec 11, 2023 2:46:40 GMT
Looks like Patch 2.1 added a couple of romance interactions, including one where you can see both of your characters together in the mirror. There's also spending time on V's apartment. All romances included in these videos but they have marks for which to jump to. Posting the video bits here:
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Dec 30, 2023 7:21:05 GMT
Got my PS5, so I’m now waiting for the PS5 upgrade to download. Even picked up Phantom Liberty for the sake of having a complete experience, though I still have no intentions of taking that new ending.
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Post by Lee on Dec 30, 2023 7:51:41 GMT
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