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Post by disgustednoise on Feb 22, 2020 5:38:52 GMT
I feel like the end result may be that Ragnarok will have another variable protagonist, but they won't have romances, and they'll call that the middle ground. Like, if I'm going to put money (that I don't have) on any option, that's probably where I'd lean towards the most. I'm torn in how I'd feel about that. On the one hand, being able to have your protagonist be unambiguously queer within the game (even if it's only by flirting/having sex with a same-gender character) always means a lot to me. But on the other hand, Odyssey was so half-assed with romances I'm not sure they really even deserve to be called that I doubt I'll miss them that much. |
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Feb 22, 2020 21:07:22 GMT
I feel like the end result may be that Ragnarok will have another variable protagonist, but they won't have romances, and they'll call that the middle ground. Like, if I'm going to put money (that I don't have) on any option, that's probably where I'd lean towards the most. I'm torn in how I'd feel about that. On the one hand, being able to have your protagonist be unambiguously queer within the game (even if it's only by flirting/having sex with a same-gender character) always means a lot to me. But on the other hand, Odyssey was so half-assed with romances I'm not sure they really even deserve to be called that I doubt I'll miss them that much. Kinda feel the same way. Like sure, playing an unashamedly queer protagonist REALLY fucking matters to me. But the way this happened in Odyssey, with these shallow, superficial... I'm honestly more inclined to call them 'hook-ups,' rather than 'romances'... That's not really all that satisfactory. Like, sure, you usually got to have a night together with them after a questline, so there wasn't just a wham, bam, thank you ma'am to it, but these weren't really characters we got to connect and spend time with. Except for Alkibiades, who... eugh. And even with him, the sex was early on, before they have any kind of option for greater friendship.
Like, if the romance mechanic were more refined with characters more involved with the plotline, to the point of being plot characters, then I'd really argue for keeping it. But on what was in Odyssey... I'd probably be willing to roll with it being removed.
I mean, when it comes to Assassin's Creed history with the pairings, you will see relationships and pairings between the protagonist and characters who really matter to them, rather than randomly hooking them up with random quest givers or something - Altair and Malik, Ezio and Leonardo, Desmond and Shaun... Hell, on AO3, the two most popular pairings for Alexios seem to be Thalates (who, along with Kyra, get the most involved arc to the romance) and Brasidas (who wasn't a romance at all), and there are maybe a couple for Alkibiades or Lykeon, characters who stood out - Alkibiades is plot important, Lykeon's grandmother was the oracle whose coerced prophecy led to Deimos being tossed off the cliff. Otherwise, they're all forgettable. I assume it's similar for Kassandra (not being inclined to seek out fic involving her as the Eagle Bearer, I don't know for certain).
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Post by Rouccoco on Apr 19, 2020 12:31:23 GMT
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Post by disgustednoise on Apr 19, 2020 14:50:58 GMT
God, they're so cute together. |
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Post by Rouccoco on Nov 9, 2020 14:38:20 GMT
Twelve years later, I finished Atlantis. I liked how pretty it was.   The Persephone/Hades/Poseidon plot was actually good, until they remembered they have to tie it to the modern plot. I don't care about Juno and Aita. The game doesn't seem to care either, since Aita is the Etruscan equivalent of Hades, but the game completely ignores it, and Hades is a separate person... Making the Isu roman gods without analysing how ancient religions interacted was such a big mistake. "Kill the wolf" How about no  This was a gut punch, turns out I really missed her (spoiler) Will miss this face   Also, Poseidon is such a daddy, don't @ me  Of course, there's still the discovery tour, which is actually pretty interesting, so I'll do that. So just that, and I'm finished. I think I got to 250 hours? |
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Nov 10, 2020 1:44:09 GMT
See, I'm a fan of the modern plot, and I'm kinda pissed that its advancement got buried in DLC, AND the piss job they did of making Victoria's death have any impact - not just do we not know her, she's had no development in the ONE game she appears in, and yet the game seemed to want us to respond like, say, Rebecca or Shaun had just been killed, but she is making more of the poor choices than Layla did, considering that the staff could be key to doing their job, and if Layla is going to use it, she needs to be trained, what the animus sessions are for.
It honestly doesn't give me much hope that the modern plot will get any better focus or a conclusion in Valhalla, but... *sigh* I've learned to accept that the modern story is looked at as a vestigial limb the franchise can't cut off but wants to ignore.
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Post by Lee on Nov 10, 2020 12:23:43 GMT
So the new game is out today. Someone @ me when a romance list drops and the gay review of sorts is out. lol!
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Post by Rouccoco on Nov 10, 2020 12:59:17 GMT
See, I'm a fan of the modern plot, and I'm kinda pissed that its advancement got buried in DLC, AND the piss job they did of making Victoria's death have any impact - not just do we not know her, she's had no development in the ONE game she appears in, and yet the game seemed to want us to respond like, say, Rebecca or Shaun had just been killed, but she is making more of the poor choices than Layla did, considering that the staff could be key to doing their job, and if Layla is going to use it, she needs to be trained, what the animus sessions are for. That’s the point. I liked the modern plot in the first 3 games, but what is there left to like. At first with all the interloper talk I thought they were setting up another betrayal death like with Lucy. What they did fell flat. What do I care about Vic or Layla? Lucy had more development and personality than them. Even Hekate had more to work with, despite being in just a third of one dlc. It seems no one knows what to do with the modern plot and since 3 they keep inching forward towards...something. And it’s obvious from Odyssey and Immortals Fenyx Rising that the team was way more into Greek mythology than the isu plot. I don’t know what they did in Origins, but I can’t see them coming up with anything that’s more interesting that just adapting Egyptian and Greek mythology. So honestly, I don’t blame them. People have been saying the games would be stronger without trying to force them into the series since AC4, but ubi doesn’t want to give up on that sweet sequel cash money. |
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Post by Lee on Nov 10, 2020 13:21:43 GMT
I played Origins and Odyssey both, but the Layla storyline was so confusing in Origins I had assumed her story must have started in the previous game. But now that I know that's not the case...lol. I really can't tell if I just don't pay attention enough, or if a lot of the story has to be read in notes or something? cause it all feels really random. I'd say either make the "present story" more relevant or ditch it. Either works for me, as long as they never backslide to making the Present-day person needing to be related to the protag (which won't happen, but the video game industry loves straight fuckery so I had to say it)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2020 18:56:05 GMT
Okay, so I'm obviously very late to the game here. I tried playing Alexios when this first came out and couldn't get into it. I also just wasn't understanding the game dynamics all that well. But now that I'm starting to get into AC a bit because of Valhalla, I'm giving this another shot.
I'm playing as Kassandra, though. I know that it's rare for me to a female PC if there's m/m content. But I'm kind of loving the idea of a female assassin and apparently Kassandra and one of the PCs from Syndicate are the only options. So I'm going to give Kassandra a shot. And I'm really liking her so far. I'm likely going to play her as a lesbian (although I know that the DLC makes this impossible). I really like the idea of two tough Greek warrior women.
And I'm playing Kassandra as a spear user. It's a weapon type that doesn't show up in many RPGs and it's not something that I'd normally go for. I don't love it so far (I'm too much of a sword/shield person typically), but it's making a very interesting and unique experience that makes it feel very different from Valhalla.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2020 16:27:44 GMT
Roxana!  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2020 18:48:31 GMT
Holy shit, this game is loooooonnnnnngggggg. I'm really enjoying myself. And I really like Kassandra. I didn't intend to do this, but I started her as a hard-core drachmae motivated misthios, but as time has progressed, she's softened. I think it happened because that's my more natural way to approach the game (that lawful good life), but narratively it fits as she starts to find more and more of her family and the quest becomes more personal to her. I'm 70 hours in and I feel like I'm nowhere near the conclusion. Any thoughts on how far %-wise I'm in?
I just fought Deimos and was imprisoned in Athens. I've got about 1/3 of the cultists still to identify and kill; most of the remaining ones are still masked or even just ? on the cultist screen.
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Post by Rouccoco on Dec 31, 2020 19:59:26 GMT
I'm 70 hours in and I feel like I'm nowhere near the conclusion. Any thoughts on how far %-wise I'm in? So I'm gonna guess that you're breezing through the family questline (if you meant Pilos, then you're very far along), but not doing a lot of side quests, which is why you're probably nowhere near done with the other two questlines. You have to do the golden exclamation marks and some map exploration to progress them. It's hard to say, how long you have left. All three quests have like ending scenes, so I lined them up and finished them in one sitting, but you don't have to do that. You should, these quests pushing each other along felt way more cohesive than doing them separately, which seems to be what the game is often pushing you to do. Also, there's a lot of good content in the golden and teal quest markers. I ignored the silver quests, but did every location and gold and teal quest + Atlantis and I finished at 250 hours, so.... *shrug* |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2020 20:46:38 GMT
I'm 70 hours in and I feel like I'm nowhere near the conclusion. Any thoughts on how far %-wise I'm in? So I'm gonna guess that you're breezing through the family questline (if you meant Pilos, then you're very far along), but not doing a lot of side quests, which is why you're probably nowhere near done with the other two questlines. You have to do the golden exclamation marks and some map exploration to progress them. It's hard to say, how long you have left. All three quests have like ending scenes, so I lined them up and finished them in one sitting, but you don't have to do that. You should, these quests pushing each other along felt way more cohesive than doing them separately, which seems to be what the game is often pushing you to do. Also, there's a lot of good content in the golden and teal quest markers. I ignored the silver quests, but did every location and gold and teal quest + Atlantis and I finished at 250 hours, so.... *shrug* Oh! I don’t think I realized that there were multiple quest lines. I thought that the gold quests were just more interesting and well developed side quests and the teal quests were DLC add on quests. So I’ve been mostly doing what I thought was main quest and only doing the others if I felt like it, planning to eventually go back and do them after finishing the main quest if I weren’t burnt out yet. Well shit. I guess I should take some time to go back and do some gold quests now..... |
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Post by Rouccoco on Dec 31, 2020 22:54:09 GMT
Well shit. I guess I should take some time to go back and do some gold quests now..... Yeah, it's not very well communicated. Like they sometimes just provide more general world building, but often they expand, what's happening in the main storylines, so doing them out of order is definitely a worse experience. Only teal ones are exclusively for flavour. |
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