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Post by Lee on Feb 6, 2021 4:05:02 GMT
I really wish I didn't care as much about these games as I do. Though I wish even more that the people who make these games cared about people like me. I feel so cheated right now, and I knew good and damn well that they'd do this-but it still somehow stings just as much as if I had thought they'd finally do right.
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Post by mediocreogre on Feb 6, 2021 11:32:43 GMT
Us humans have fought wars over what stories mean. They definitely mean a whole lot. And unfortunately BioWare are pretty good story tellers.
But I’m pretty confident the people in authority are completely up their own ass. The worst ally is someone who did simply more than others, harboring their own unexamined biases, and was given praise merely for not being as bad as everyone else. So their understanding was never actually developed, and their ego makes them blind to their mistakes. It’s incredibly common, across all levels of society for all under represented people. And it’s holding a lot of societies back, not just an okay Canadian game developer whose made a lot of questionable choices lately.
and I keep thinking back to that broke back mountain interview. The guy said it was too much, potentially even now. Which is a self fulfilling prophecy when games companies are increasingly re releasing games and products from decades ago and they’ve no desire to you know... do the work to change it, and admit they were wrong because remasters are all about nostalgia and they don’t want to acknowledge these things we think are so amazing works of art are fallible products made by fallible people.
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Post by VFerreira93 on Feb 6, 2021 15:56:27 GMT
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Feb 6, 2021 16:08:05 GMT
it seems #MakeMassEffectGayerAgain is the hashtag more used, so please join us!!  |
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Post by VFerreira93 on Feb 6, 2021 18:29:41 GMT
Nothing like a little shade towards BW through a tweet to make that sweet level of satisfaction  |
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Post by Andrew Mancer on Feb 6, 2021 18:30:44 GMT
I've been tweeting out at him quite a bit the last few days and I've gotten likes and replies from our friends in the community. We're not alone, we can do it!
I'll keep tweeting until he blocks me LOL.
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Post by VFerreira93 on Feb 6, 2021 18:32:43 GMT
I've been tweeting out at him quite a bit the last few days and I've gotten likes and replies from our friends in the community. We're not alone, we can do it! I'll keep tweeting until he blocks me LOL.  |
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Post by Scottphoto on Feb 6, 2021 19:44:33 GMT
This was an interesting set of tweets were he is basically saying, can’t honestly blame EA for what the mass effect team decided on romance decisions.
Anyway yeah, figuring out what to tweet at Mac with the hashtag, damn character limits lol.
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Feb 6, 2021 22:35:50 GMT
Us humans have fought wars over what stories mean. They definitely mean a whole lot. And unfortunately BioWare are pretty good story tellers. But I’m pretty confident the people in authority are completely up their own ass. The worst ally is someone who did simply more than others, harboring their own unexamined biases, and was given praise merely for not being as bad as everyone else. So their understanding was never actually developed, and their ego makes them blind to their mistakes. It’s incredibly common, across all levels of society for all under represented people. And it’s holding a lot of societies back, not just an okay Canadian game developer whose made a lot of questionable choices lately. and I keep thinking back to that broke back mountain interview. The guy said it was too much, potentially even now. Which is a self fulfilling prophecy when games companies are increasingly re releasing games and products from decades ago and they’ve no desire to you know... do the work to change it, and admit they were wrong because remasters are all about nostalgia and they don’t want to acknowledge these things we think are so amazing works of art are fallible products made by fallible people. It's the Joss Whedon syndrome (well, I'd argue Gene Roddenberry originated it, but Whedon's fall is more public). When he began, he was this feminist icon because of Buffy. And as the 2000s and 2010s (and now the 2020s, dear GOD I'm getting old...) went on, people revisisted the works and realized... Yeah, this is kinda problematic in ways we didn't realize, and then we saw more and more of the murky underbelly of Whedon come to light, specifically with regards to his ex-wife's open letter...
Like I said in a Tumblr post after that Brokeback Mountain interview, the problem in accepting the idea that "people aren't ready for it, it's too much" is that... Leaving aside those who are indifferent, there are ultimately three reactions from the audience to think about in acting to be more progressive, to include the things that people "may not be ready for."
The first is the reactionaries. These are the people who will never be satisfied with the inclusion of any kind of content that upsets their worldview. You cannot reach them. They want to have their existing worldview left alone. Just making an attempt is too much for them. They will complain no matter what shape that representation takes because "now they have to think about it." Not worth thinking about, honestly.
The second is the people who need this. And there are ALWAYS people who need it. That alone makes it worth doing. And then there's the middle of the roads. The ones who are not necessarily against it, but they "don't understand." The problem with trying to explain it, however, is that educating people on these issues really only works in one-on-one settings. En masse... You're really just better off presenting it unquestioned. No explanations, no stopping to put them at ease, just plunge them into the realm of HAVING to accept it - Don't have Bull correct the Inquisitor for being transphobic (first of all, let Krem do that himself), just don't give the Inquisitor the option to be transphobic in the first place. That alone helps reshape the way that people think about these things, if you're not given the option to question it. Once your character is shown not perpetuating those ideas, when you have this character the audience is encouraged to imprint on showing acceptance, it's that easier for the audience to be accepting.
So just DOING it helps make the world that much readier to accept it. Will there be backlash? I mean, yeah, but again, there will be backlash no matter how you do it. The question is what kind of backlash you're going to accept, what audience are you looking for, whose side do you want to end up being on in the end - the people who consider even being representative-curious unthinkable, or the people who need what you're offering?
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Post by Andrew Mancer on Feb 6, 2021 22:47:36 GMT
I'm going to do a lot more tweeting and re-tweeting tomorrow and tagging the actors as well so hopefully they get involved in some capacity because they know how important these games are to the LGBT+ community.
We can't let BioWare get away with this and forget their promise to do better.
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Post by Lee on Feb 7, 2021 11:23:20 GMT
I tweeted earlier tonight as yall know. I was thinking about tweeting more, but I just couldn't think of anything to say that hasn't already been said. I really want to see some kind of response-to know we are making some kind of impression, but my fear is that no one will notice till after the game is out. I can't even imagine even the media being able to make a difference post-launch. This is a remake, those changes need to be made now. I wish someone out there in the Media would step up for us!
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Post by milanawalters on Feb 7, 2021 13:22:58 GMT
I tweeted earlier tonight as yall know. I was thinking about tweeting more, but I just couldn't think of anything to say that hasn't already been said. I really want to see some kind of response-to know we are making some kind of impression, but my fear is that no one will notice till after the game is out. I can't even imagine even the media being able to make a difference post-launch. This is a remake, those changes need to be made now. I wish someone out there in the Media would step up for us! i follow a lot of queer gamers and even some devs and all of them are sucking up to bioware and defend them repeating that its a remaster not a remake so im kinda disheartened tbh but why am i surprised cdpr had lead queer quest designers and we all know how that turned out lol |
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Post by mediocreogre on Feb 7, 2021 15:13:42 GMT
This was an interesting set of tweets were he is basically saying, can’t honestly blame EA for what the mass effect team decided on romance decisions. And we know it specifically a ME thing cause DAO, DA2 had m/m romance options before ME3 and DA2 and DAI tried two different ways to provide equity in romance content before MEA which.... didn’t try. And this also isn’t an issue about the past. This is an issue about the present. Current ME has struggled with equality in MEA. Current BWdecided it would change mechanics, remove the focus on Miranda’s booty, and put femShep’s cannon face in ME1. Drawing the line arbitrarily on changing some things and not others again implies that to them the fact that 2 out of three of the games they remastered have basically zero content for certain identities in a roleplaying game is fine. In 2021. also, the people claiming it’s a remaster not a rerelease.... either they argue it has to be completely true to the original, and therefore they should not have made the changes they made and just upscaled graphics, or the line they draw is arbitrary. edit: I wish I had a Twitter just for this lol. I guess i’ll go back to modding my Skyrim and go back to forgetting about ME for another game cycle. |
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Post by turianlannister on Feb 7, 2021 19:28:59 GMT
I tweeted earlier tonight as yall know. I was thinking about tweeting more, but I just couldn't think of anything to say that hasn't already been said. I really want to see some kind of response-to know we are making some kind of impression, but my fear is that no one will notice till after the game is out. I can't even imagine even the media being able to make a difference post-launch. This is a remake, those changes need to be made now. I wish someone out there in the Media would step up for us! George Takei maybe? |
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Post by Andrew Mancer on Feb 7, 2021 22:00:45 GMT
I tweeted earlier tonight as yall know. I was thinking about tweeting more, but I just couldn't think of anything to say that hasn't already been said. I really want to see some kind of response-to know we are making some kind of impression, but my fear is that no one will notice till after the game is out. I can't even imagine even the media being able to make a difference post-launch. This is a remake, those changes need to be made now. I wish someone out there in the Media would step up for us! Alright, I did some more liking, tweeting, and retweeting. I keep tagging all the relevant people and keep hoping they notice and help spread awareness of the issue. Keep pushing everyone, and tag the actors as well so they don't think I'm crazy LOL. But yeah...it's actually not a bad idea to try and get some of those media people involved...there were some that wrote on the recent new of the Jack?Jacob romances being cut...perhaps it wouldn't hurt to reach out to them and see if they can help spread awareness of this issue? Let them know about the hashtag?
But yes...let's not give up!  |
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Post by VFerreira93 on Feb 7, 2021 22:59:20 GMT
I tweeted earlier tonight as yall know. I was thinking about tweeting more, but I just couldn't think of anything to say that hasn't already been said. I really want to see some kind of response-to know we are making some kind of impression, but my fear is that no one will notice till after the game is out. I can't even imagine even the media being able to make a difference post-launch. This is a remake, those changes need to be made now. I wish someone out there in the Media would step up for us! Alright, I did some more liking, tweeting, and retweeting. I keep tagging all the relevant people and keep hoping they notice and help spread awareness of the issue. Keep pushing everyone, and tag the actors as well so they don't think I'm crazy LOL. But yeah...it's actually not a bad idea to try and get some of those media people involved...there were some that wrote on the recent new of the Jack?Jacob romances being cut...perhaps it wouldn't hurt to reach out to them and see if they can help spread awareness of this issue? Let them know about the hashtag?
But yes...let's not give up! Wasn't there like someone from Kotaku who had contacted a few of us to give some input on #MakeJallBi way back during ME:A days? I remember an article being made about it, even. Perhaps we could try that as well? |
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Feb 7, 2021 23:34:51 GMT
I know I've retweeted at least one of the tweets that have tagged Mark Meer, Jennifer Hale, and Raphael Sbarge. But yeah, if anyone can dig up an actual reporter, especially someone who was on the #MakeJaalBi campaign, that could definitely bring some media light (and, by extension, pressure) on them.
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Post by VFerreira93 on Feb 8, 2021 2:50:42 GMT
WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN!! T-T
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Post by Lee on Feb 8, 2021 4:08:51 GMT
And before I go to bed this morning!
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Post by turianlannister on Feb 8, 2021 17:59:22 GMT
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