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Post by VFerreira93 on May 17, 2017 13:25:11 GMT
interesting! i wonder what the outcome will be of this sales number. worth milking out? we fucked up and should have made a better quality product? just screw the whole goddamn thing? :/ I suppose the game is still redeemable if they add a decent CC and some additional content for the characters and improvements for m/m. The additional dlc's would have to be pretty amazing though, which means Edmonton would basically have to do it themselves because i don't see Montreal achieving that.  I've been wondering about they can add to the CC since a few days ago. Maybe more hairstyles, color skins and such. What do you guys think should be implemented there? I just hope they don't fuck up in June. For them to risk an even bigger backlash if they do us wrong once again would be incredibly hurtful to their image as a videogame company that praises itself to be so inclusive. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 13:32:03 GMT
I really hope they do something to address the m/m content in the patch but I'm not holding out hope. I'd hate to see people get their hopes up and be disappointed all over again. I think it's better at this point to be open to the idea of improvements but not expect much. I think it will be little things like the Reyes dancing camera angle thing, not significant new content. The ME team has already shown that they don't consider the LGBT crowd worth investing in so there's no way they're going to put a lot of resources into a free patch. Perhaps any DLC will have a temporary gay squadmate and that will be the most they can do for MEA.
I'm going to bet that Bioware is hoping that everyone just forgets about MEA rather than have them bend over backwards to address all of the issues and complaints. If they didn't meet sales estimates they're not going to spend more money on addressing glitches and issues if they're not game breaking. I can't imagine how they would change the CC at this point, it would have to be from the ground up. They're making vague promises which suggest large fixes but will end up being the bare minimum without making them liars.
At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if they don't announce anything MEA related at E3 and instead focus on the new IP. Even if MEA DLC is coming out soon, I feel like they don't want to bring attention to it since media reaction has been overwhelmingly negative and hypercritical. Even if shifting staff from BioMontreal to partner studios is standard business practice, the media has latched onto that as evidence that MEA was a failure. For damage control, they want to keep the MEA name out of headlines for a while. IMO.
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Post by mrslothy on May 17, 2017 13:44:35 GMT
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Post by Lionrage on May 17, 2017 13:53:24 GMT
I really hope they do something to address the m/m content in the patch but I'm not holding out hope. I'd hate to see people get their hopes up and be disappointed all over again. I think it's better at this point to be open to the idea of improvements but not expect much. I think it will be little things like the Reyes dancing camera angle thing, not significant new content. The ME team has already shown that they don't consider the LGBT crowd worth investing in so there's no way they're going to put a lot of resources into a free patch. Perhaps any DLC will have a temporary gay squadmate and that will be the most they can do for MEA. I'm going to bet that Bioware is hoping that everyone just forgets about MEA rather than have them bend over backwards to address all of the issues and complaints. If they didn't meet sales estimates they're not going to spend more money on addressing glitches and issues if they're not game breaking. I can't imagine how they would change the CC at this point, it would have to be from the ground up. They're making vague promises which suggest large fixes but will end up being the bare minimum without making them liars. At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if they don't announce anything MEA related at E3 and instead focus on the new IP. Even if MEA DLC is coming out soon, I feel like they don't want to bring attention to it since media reaction has been overwhelmingly negative and hypercritical. Even if shifting staff from BioMontreal to partner studios is standard business practice, the media has latched onto that as evidence that MEA was a failure. For damage control, they want to keep the MEA name out of headlines for a while. IMO. My head thinks your right, my heart hopes your wrong.  |
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Post by VFerreira93 on May 17, 2017 13:56:53 GMT
I really hope they do something to address the m/m content in the patch but I'm not holding out hope. I'd hate to see people get their hopes up and be disappointed all over again. I think it's better at this point to be open to the idea of improvements but not expect much. I think it will be little things like the Reyes dancing camera angle thing, not significant new content. The ME team has already shown that they don't consider the LGBT crowd worth investing in so there's no way they're going to put a lot of resources into a free patch. Perhaps any DLC will have a temporary gay squadmate and that will be the most they can do for MEA. I'm going to bet that Bioware is hoping that everyone just forgets about MEA rather than have them bend over backwards to address all of the issues and complaints. If they didn't meet sales estimates they're not going to spend more money on addressing glitches and issues if they're not game breaking. I can't imagine how they would change the CC at this point, it would have to be from the ground up. They're making vague promises which suggest large fixes but will end up being the bare minimum without making them liars. At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if they don't announce anything MEA related at E3 and instead focus on the new IP. Even if MEA DLC is coming out soon, I feel like they don't want to bring attention to it since media reaction has been overwhelmingly negative and hypercritical. Even if shifting staff from BioMontreal to partner studios is standard business practice, the media has latched onto that as evidence that MEA was a failure. For damage control, they want to keep the MEA name out of headlines for a while. IMO. Didnt EA give 500 thousand dollars to Montreal at some point (maybe a few weeks/months) ago? Yeah, I'm not expecting something Mass Effect-related to be announced or even talked about once that event starts. |
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Post by VFerreira93 on May 17, 2017 14:12:21 GMT
yeah, bioware montreal really showed it is inclusive though i give edmonton full credit for it Wasn't Edmonton the one who's been working on these patches? I might be wrong but after all of this whole shitshow that happened behing closed-doors within Montreal's development stage, I wouldnt trust them to work on them. |
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Post by Lionrage on May 17, 2017 14:14:37 GMT
I really hope they do something to address the m/m content in the patch but I'm not holding out hope. I'd hate to see people get their hopes up and be disappointed all over again. I think it's better at this point to be open to the idea of improvements but not expect much. I think it will be little things like the Reyes dancing camera angle thing, not significant new content. The ME team has already shown that they don't consider the LGBT crowd worth investing in so there's no way they're going to put a lot of resources into a free patch. Perhaps any DLC will have a temporary gay squadmate and that will be the most they can do for MEA. I'm going to bet that Bioware is hoping that everyone just forgets about MEA rather than have them bend over backwards to address all of the issues and complaints. If they didn't meet sales estimates they're not going to spend more money on addressing glitches and issues if they're not game breaking. I can't imagine how they would change the CC at this point, it would have to be from the ground up. They're making vague promises which suggest large fixes but will end up being the bare minimum without making them liars. At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if they don't announce anything MEA related at E3 and instead focus on the new IP. Even if MEA DLC is coming out soon, I feel like they don't want to bring attention to it since media reaction has been overwhelmingly negative and hypercritical. Even if shifting staff from BioMontreal to partner studios is standard business practice, the media has latched onto that as evidence that MEA was a failure. For damage control, they want to keep the MEA name out of headlines for a while. IMO. Didnt EA give 500 thousand dollars to Montreal at some point (maybe a few weeks/months) ago? Yeah, I'm not expecting something Mass Effect-related to be announced or even talked about once that event starts. 500 million Canadian dollar (roughly 367 million US Dollar) actually if I read this article correctly: ELECTRONIC ARTS PLANS TO INVEST $500 MILLION IN QUEBEC’S VIDEO GAME INDUSTRY OVER 10 YEARS
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Post by VFerreira93 on May 17, 2017 14:21:19 GMT
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Post by coldchrome on May 17, 2017 14:24:34 GMT
I wonder what they'll do with it, tho A) Make Cora butt bigger B) For the new IP C)Peebee no gravity sex scene no longer os fade to black D)Actually trying to give m/m more content and a gaylien/ Squadmate MEH. |
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Post by mrslothy on May 17, 2017 14:29:34 GMT
yeah, bioware montreal really showed it is inclusive though i give edmonton full credit for it Wasn't Edmonton the one who's been working on these patches? I might be wrong but after all of this whole shitshow that happened behing closed-doors within Montreal's development stage, I wouldnt trust them to work on them. no idea. also no idea who's wotking on potential dlc, but i'm guessing montreal has to do one of these. or are they twiddling their thumbs, admiring cora's ass and peebee's tits? hm... forget i asked. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 14:37:06 GMT
I really hope they do something to address the m/m content in the patch but I'm not holding out hope. I'd hate to see people get their hopes up and be disappointed all over again. I think it's better at this point to be open to the idea of improvements but not expect much. I think it will be little things like the Reyes dancing camera angle thing, not significant new content. The ME team has already shown that they don't consider the LGBT crowd worth investing in so there's no way they're going to put a lot of resources into a free patch. Perhaps any DLC will have a temporary gay squadmate and that will be the most they can do for MEA. I'm going to bet that Bioware is hoping that everyone just forgets about MEA rather than have them bend over backwards to address all of the issues and complaints. If they didn't meet sales estimates they're not going to spend more money on addressing glitches and issues if they're not game breaking. I can't imagine how they would change the CC at this point, it would have to be from the ground up. They're making vague promises which suggest large fixes but will end up being the bare minimum without making them liars. At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if they don't announce anything MEA related at E3 and instead focus on the new IP. Even if MEA DLC is coming out soon, I feel like they don't want to bring attention to it since media reaction has been overwhelmingly negative and hypercritical. Even if shifting staff from BioMontreal to partner studios is standard business practice, the media has latched onto that as evidence that MEA was a failure. For damage control, they want to keep the MEA name out of headlines for a while. IMO. My head thinks your right, my heart hopes your wrong. Yeah, me too. But if we don't expect much and then something great comes out, it's an even better surprise! yeah, bioware montreal really showed it is inclusive though i give edmonton full credit for it Wasn't Edmonton the one who's been working on these patches? I might be wrong but after all of this whole shitshow that happened behing closed-doors within Montreal's development stage, I wouldnt trust them to work on them. IIRC, Edmonton did the emergency patches right after release because they are better with animations and they needed a patch ASAP. Montreal will be working on patches and DLC going forward; Montreal is no longer allowed to develop a full game, they're back to being a support studio. So presumably any and all future MEA content will still come through them. But a hypothetical MEA2 won't be through them. I wonder what they'll do with it, tho It'll be completely unrelated to MEA. There's no way even a critically acclaimed MEA would have justified EA giving Montreal $500M to develop MEA2. It seems more like they want to transition Bioware from the relatively small and remote Edmonton into the more urban and accessible Montreal. I would think it's hard to encourage new employees to move to Edmonton but much easier to go to a fun city with quick access to a lot of other major cities. |
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Post by VFerreira93 on May 17, 2017 14:45:33 GMT
@vbibbi It just baffles me that Montreal can't really do something right. I mean, they hired those folks from Naughty Dogs so that they could animate that Cora's explicit sex scene so I guess that shouldnt be too surprising x)
Oh I wasnt referring to a MEA2 but rather them invest some of that money to make the whole Andromeda experience better for all players. But I know that's not going to happen - it's not really feasible to do it atm.
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Post by mrslothy on May 17, 2017 14:45:46 GMT
IIRC, Edmonton did the emergency patches right after release because they are better with animations and they needed a patch ASAP. Montreal will be working on patches and DLC going forward; Montreal is no longer allowed to develop a full game, they're back to being a support studio. So presumably any and all future MEA content will still come through them. But a hypothetical MEA2 won't be through them. not an unreasonable decision.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 15:22:26 GMT
@vbibbi It just baffles me that Montreal can't really do something right. I mean, they hired those folks from Naughty Dogs so that they could animate that Cora's explicit sex scene so I guess that shouldnt be too surprising x) Oh I wasnt referring to a MEA2 but rather them invest some of that money to make the whole Andromeda experience better for all players. But I know that's not going to happen - it's not really feasible to do it atm. My understanding was that it was just the one animator who did Cora's scene, and he made it sound like he was hired toward the end of MEA's development. It sounds like a large portion of the Montreal team (apart from management) were relatively new to Bioware and possibly to game design in general. This is why I see a lot of the issues stemming from poor support from on high and poor project management. They should not have separate studios where one team (Edmonton) has all of the veterans and one (Montreal) is much newer. And they also outsources a lot of work, especially animations, which also contributed to problems. These are all management issues. I recognize that I'm a spiteful person but I do hope Mac gets fired after all of this. He's one of the old guard who sounds like a block to progress and creativity. And while it's probably not fair to lay all of the blame on poor LGBT representation at his feet, he certainly seems like a major player in that. |
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Post by mrslothy on May 17, 2017 15:25:45 GMT
didn't mea leadership change like 7 times? also writes and stuff? news made it sound like bio montreal is a traffic stop, not a studio.
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Post by VFerreira93 on May 17, 2017 15:29:44 GMT
@vbibbi It just baffles me that Montreal can't really do something right. I mean, they hired those folks from Naughty Dogs so that they could animate that Cora's explicit sex scene so I guess that shouldnt be too surprising x) Oh I wasnt referring to a MEA2 but rather them invest some of that money to make the whole Andromeda experience better for all players. But I know that's not going to happen - it's not really feasible to do it atm. My understanding was that it was just the one animator who did Cora's scene, and he made it sound like he was hired toward the end of MEA's development. It sounds like a large portion of the Montreal team (apart from management) were relatively new to Bioware and possibly to game design in general. This is why I see a lot of the issues stemming from poor support from on high and poor project management. They should not have separate studios where one team (Edmonton) has all of the veterans and one (Montreal) is much newer. And they also outsources a lot of work, especially animations, which also contributed to problems. These are all management issues. I recognize that I'm a spiteful person but I do hope Mac gets fired after all of this. He's one of the old guard who sounds like a block to progress and creativity. And while it's probably not fair to lay all of the blame on poor LGBT representation at his feet, he certainly seems like a major player in that. I so hope he doesnt work in any more ME games in the future. IF there's one to be had, 'cause after this one I dont know what to expect from this franchise anymore. I just want my dear improvements and finally be fucking able to even finish a full playthrough  |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 15:35:36 GMT
I really hope they do something to address the m/m content in the patch but I'm not holding out hope. I'd hate to see people get their hopes up and be disappointed all over again. I think it's better at this point to be open to the idea of improvements but not expect much. I think it will be little things like the Reyes dancing camera angle thing, not significant new content. The ME team has already shown that they don't consider the LGBT crowd worth investing in so there's no way they're going to put a lot of resources into a free patch. Perhaps any DLC will have a temporary gay squadmate and that will be the most they can do for MEA. I'm going to bet that Bioware is hoping that everyone just forgets about MEA rather than have them bend over backwards to address all of the issues and complaints. If they didn't meet sales estimates they're not going to spend more money on addressing glitches and issues if they're not game breaking. I can't imagine how they would change the CC at this point, it would have to be from the ground up. They're making vague promises which suggest large fixes but will end up being the bare minimum without making them liars. At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if they don't announce anything MEA related at E3 and instead focus on the new IP. Even if MEA DLC is coming out soon, I feel like they don't want to bring attention to it since media reaction has been overwhelmingly negative and hypercritical. Even if shifting staff from BioMontreal to partner studios is standard business practice, the media has latched onto that as evidence that MEA was a failure. For damage control, they want to keep the MEA name out of headlines for a while. IMO. This is becoming a habbit for them. They tried to do the same with ME3's endings. They tried to do the same with same sex relationships and characters for SWTOR. They are trying to do it now with MEA. I'm only wondering at what point people will finally say "ok that's enough" and stop giving them the "benefit of the doubt". They are milking the "most inclusive" company with furious determination, but at some point their present actions should start reflecting their claims, or people might start to catch up... |
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Post by mrjack on May 17, 2017 15:41:30 GMT
What I don't get is why they're so eager to have another multiplayer IP when their one MMO did super badly, relatively speaking, and lost most of its playerbase anyways. Well the subscription model didn't work out so well when people started leaving in droves so they went FTP and put every cool armour set, weapon, decoration etc in the Cartel Market and people who have more money than sense spend $$$ on those fucking gambling crates in the hopes of getting that platinum rarity item. Also they just did a direct sale of a platinum lightsaber for $60. I'm not even kidding. If this is their plan for Dylan, they can go fuck themselves. Also I'm not paying BW any more money until they fix the m/m sitch in ME:A and for me that means a squadmate which is very unlikely at this point so... pfft. TBH, I'd rather play a game like FO4 where I don't feel left out in the cold even if the romances are brief. I'm guessing the next Elder Scrolls will improve this area further and hopefully have a voiced protagonist too. Also there is the Starfield project and Spiders is releasing Greedfall next year and they had an m/m squad option in their last game but no playable female character which I think is a mistake they won't make again. There's hope beyond Bioware... in my humble opinion. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 15:42:39 GMT
My understanding was that it was just the one animator who did Cora's scene, and he made it sound like he was hired toward the end of MEA's development. It sounds like a large portion of the Montreal team (apart from management) were relatively new to Bioware and possibly to game design in general. This is why I see a lot of the issues stemming from poor support from on high and poor project management. They should not have separate studios where one team (Edmonton) has all of the veterans and one (Montreal) is much newer. And they also outsources a lot of work, especially animations, which also contributed to problems. These are all management issues. I recognize that I'm a spiteful person but I do hope Mac gets fired after all of this. He's one of the old guard who sounds like a block to progress and creativity. And while it's probably not fair to lay all of the blame on poor LGBT representation at his feet, he certainly seems like a major player in that. I so hope he doesnt work in any more ME games in the future. IF there's one to be had, 'cause after this one I dont know what to expect from this franchise anymore. I just want my dear improvements and finally be fucking able to even finish a full playthrough Yeah if nothing else I don't think he should be allowed to be a lead for anything again. He was also responsible for the ME3 ending debacle so I'm rather surprised he was allowed to act as lead on MEA. I really hope they do something to address the m/m content in the patch but I'm not holding out hope. I'd hate to see people get their hopes up and be disappointed all over again. I think it's better at this point to be open to the idea of improvements but not expect much. I think it will be little things like the Reyes dancing camera angle thing, not significant new content. The ME team has already shown that they don't consider the LGBT crowd worth investing in so there's no way they're going to put a lot of resources into a free patch. Perhaps any DLC will have a temporary gay squadmate and that will be the most they can do for MEA. I'm going to bet that Bioware is hoping that everyone just forgets about MEA rather than have them bend over backwards to address all of the issues and complaints. If they didn't meet sales estimates they're not going to spend more money on addressing glitches and issues if they're not game breaking. I can't imagine how they would change the CC at this point, it would have to be from the ground up. They're making vague promises which suggest large fixes but will end up being the bare minimum without making them liars. At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if they don't announce anything MEA related at E3 and instead focus on the new IP. Even if MEA DLC is coming out soon, I feel like they don't want to bring attention to it since media reaction has been overwhelmingly negative and hypercritical. Even if shifting staff from BioMontreal to partner studios is standard business practice, the media has latched onto that as evidence that MEA was a failure. For damage control, they want to keep the MEA name out of headlines for a while. IMO. This is becoming a habbit for them. They tried to do the same with ME3's endings. They tried to do the same with same sex relationships and characters for SWTOR. They are trying to do it now with MEA. I'm only wondering at what point people will finally say "ok that's enough" and stop giving them the "benefit of the doubt". They are milking the "most inclusive" company with furious determination, but at some point their present actions should start reflecting their claims, or people might start to catch up... As long as preorders are a thing it won't matter, IMO. It seems like there has been a movement recently against preorders, especially now that digitial download is becoming more popular. I will give props to Bio for supporting DAI for almost a full year after release, including all of the bug fixes, trial mode, and Trespasser. It really sucks that they had to cut old gen for that and it's a separate issue. But I'm also sure that because DAI had an overall positive reception and gained GOTY status it was easier for them to continue supporting it. I think MEA will probably get one DLC, a few more MP maps and then be done. A lot of the bugs which are still in by now will probably remain. It's not worth their money to fix this when it has a negative reputation. At some point it will be throwing money away for them. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 15:45:11 GMT
What I don't get is why they're so eager to have another multiplayer IP when their one MMO did super badly, relatively speaking, and lost most of its playerbase anyways. Well the subscription model didn't work out so well when people started leaving in droves so they went FTP and put every cool armour set, weapon, decoration etc in the Cartel Market and people who have more money than sense spend $$$ on those fucking gambling crates in the hopes of getting that platinum rarity item. Also they just did a direct sale of a platinum lightsaber for $60. I'm not even kidding. If this is their plan for Dylan, they can go fuck themselves. Also I'm not paying BW any more money until they fix the m/m sitch in ME:A and for me that means a squadmate which is very unlikely at this point so... pfft. TBH, I'd rather play a game like FO4 where I don't feel left out in the cold even if the romances are brief. I'm guessing the next Elder Scrolls will improve this area further and hopefully have a voiced protagonist too. Also there is the Starfield project and Spiders is releasing Greedfall next year and they had an m/m squad option in their last game but no playable female character which I think is a mistake they won't make again. There's hope beyond Bioware... in my humble opinion. One positive that might come from this is that other companies see how much of a negative reaction Bio got for MEA m/m content and specifically include that sort of content to win over these consumers. Probably not on the same level as Bio has done in the past, and most game companies still won't have the same attention to character development and writing as Bio has had. But at least it will give us more choices and we won't have to rely on Bioware as the only inclusive company anymore. Edit: to be clear, I mean all LGBT content to be picked up by other companies, not just m/m. I'm sure that was implied but want to be sure I'm clear. P-) And also since there has been seeming turnover in Bioware staff, perhaps this diaspora will also mean that former-Bioware people will help bring their inclusivity to their new companies. Beamdog was already very inclusive before Gaider even joined. |
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