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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 13:59:43 GMT
Not going to get in a discussion about words again. I learned from that mistake in the Hangout Thread. I'll just have to say I disagree.
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Post by Vallerie on May 29, 2017 18:03:48 GMT
I had never seen that. Thanks! Kind of, er, rude to talk about Kieran like that when he's 10 feet away. OMG does Kieran just stand there and listen to his parents talk about the night the had sex? Yeah it's quite odd that they talk about him as if he weren't there! To get that scene you need a world state where Alistair did the dark ritual and remained a warden, then you need to do Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts before Here Lies the Abyss, so that Morrigan and Alistair are both at Skyhold. I can't lay claim to finding that it existed, but once I knew about it, I had to see it! I want to see it, but I can't! I mean...I would have to sacrifice Alistair later because of it (because I'm not sacrificing purple Hawke, NO!) and that would break my heart </3 |
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Post by toomanyclouds on May 29, 2017 20:26:52 GMT
Yeah it's quite odd that they talk about him as if he weren't there! To get that scene you need a world state where Alistair did the dark ritual and remained a warden, then you need to do Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts before Here Lies the Abyss, so that Morrigan and Alistair are both at Skyhold. I can't lay claim to finding that it existed, but once I knew about it, I had to see it! I want to see it, but I can't! I mean...I would have to sacrifice Alistair later because of it (because I'm not sacrificing purple Hawke, NO!) and that would break my heart </3 I may have let my sarcastic Hawke die so my Inquisitor would have a chance to hug Varric... RIP Hawke you were the ultimate wingman to the end. |
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Post by Catilina on May 29, 2017 20:54:20 GMT
I want to see it, but I can't! I mean...I would have to sacrifice Alistair later because of it (because I'm not sacrificing purple Hawke, NO!) and that would break my heart </3 I may have let my sarcastic Hawke die so my Inquisitor would have a chance to hug Varric... RIP Hawke you were the ultimate wingman to the end. Are you able to sacrifice the coolest hero in gaming history for a hug? |
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Post by Ashii6 on May 29, 2017 20:59:46 GMT
I want to see it, but I can't! I mean...I would have to sacrifice Alistair later because of it (because I'm not sacrificing purple Hawke, NO!) and that would break my heart </3 I may have let my sarcastic Hawke die so my Inquisitor would have a chance to hug Varric... RIP Hawke you were the ultimate wingman to the end.  I'm gonna save your Hawke from you!  |
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on May 29, 2017 21:14:02 GMT
Yeah it's quite odd that they talk about him as if he weren't there! To get that scene you need a world state where Alistair did the dark ritual and remained a warden, then you need to do Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts before Here Lies the Abyss, so that Morrigan and Alistair are both at Skyhold. I can't lay claim to finding that it existed, but once I knew about it, I had to see it! I want to see it, but I can't! I mean...I would have to sacrifice Alistair later because of it (because I'm not sacrificing purple Hawke, NO!) and that would break my heart </3 I couldn't remember which of my Hawkes was in that world state, so I went to look. Not my canon purple rogue Hawke, but an angry red warrior Hawke... |
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Post by toomanyclouds on May 29, 2017 21:25:33 GMT
I may have let my sarcastic Hawke die so my Inquisitor would have a chance to hug Varric... RIP Hawke you were the ultimate wingman to the end. Are you able to sacrifice the coolest hero in gaming history for a hug? Yes.  To be fair, I was also playing a super-pragmatic Inquisitor who was always going to choose whatever Warden I had alive (Alistair in that playthrough, I think) because he believed they would be needed to rebuild the Warden Order. Still, Varric was a bonus. |
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Post by Catilina on May 29, 2017 22:00:28 GMT
Are you able to sacrifice the coolest hero in gaming history for a hug? Yes. To be fair, I was also playing a super-pragmatic Inquisitor who was always going to choose whatever Warden I had alive (Alistair in that playthrough, I think) because he believed they would be needed to rebuild the Warden Order. Still, Varric was a bonus. Poor Wardens have only one leader/senior officer! (Who hears voices...) I don't have Warden Alistair, once almost, but rather I chose spare Loghain, for a wedding gift to Anora... poor Alistair, later Hawke met with him in the Hanged man. |
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Post by Catilina on May 29, 2017 22:06:06 GMT
I don't know how much of this is an actual ship, but there is also Alistair/Morrigan, which I also think is dumb. Both loathe each other, and Alistair even refers to Morrigan as a bitch in one dialogue. I completely agree that it's a ridiculous idea for a ship. I do like the little interaction you can get in DAI if Alistair did the dark ritual with her and remained a warden. After all those years there's almost respect there, especially from Morrigan's side, but an actual relationship? Er... Nope. Never happening. By the way, people realized, that especially if Alistair is King of Ferelden, Kieran is the bastard Prince of Ferelden? Ferelden's possible future King? |
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Post by blastoandbubin on May 30, 2017 3:01:58 GMT
They're not. Both romance slides have them meeting occasionally. The Inquisitor can actually go into Tevinter, while Dorian has to travel down to the border to meet with Bull. [edit] Having just read all of the epilogues, I do think it appears worse for the Bull-mancers, though, since it doesn't say anything about meeting up for theirs. I concede your point re Dorian, but as you say, Bull seems to prefer Dorian. Not to wade into salty waters here, but I honestly never understood this interpretation. His slide says he goes on jobs with the Chargers, and he wears his necklace so he and the Inquisitor are never apart, which is it's intended purpose, not that he's only supposed to wear it if he decides to leave forever. The Chargers have been going on jobs and returning to Skyhold throughout the game, so presumably Bull is coming back home, he's just...you know. Working as a merc, since that's his job. His romance can also be more romantic if you choose to play it that way (even the infamous advisor scene), but it's always going to be laced with humor because Bull and the Inquisitor are a relaxed kind of couple; in that sense it was actually pretty realistic, IMO. To me that doesn't seem less romantic, though I understand it doesn't have the high drama some people prefer. Idk, Weekes himself said that Bull comes home and he assumes the Inquisitor travels with him (and that Iron Bull is a confirmed wedding crier if/when he gets married to the Inquisitor, lol, so apparently that can actually happen.) That was my interpretation of that slide as well. But I also romanced Bull and was actually pretty happy with how it ended, so maybe I was just more inclined to view that slide favorably? I guess I just find it weird that some people rushed to view his romance slide in the worst possible light when it's vague, at worst, and never says anything about him just leaving the Inquisitor. Idk, I do resent Dorian/Bull a bit at this point if only because I wish Bull's romance wasn't always contrasted and compared (and found wanting). It's frustrating when your canon romance is always being portrayed as lesser :/ |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 5:42:39 GMT
I may have let my sarcastic Hawke die so my Inquisitor would have a chance to hug Varric... RIP Hawke you were the ultimate wingman to the end. Are you able to sacrifice the coolest hero in gaming history for a hug? Well hey, if Bioware would allow us to have more hugs, then we wouldn't have to do that! You can hug Cullen, but that is only if you are in a romance with him. Other than Varric, I can't think of any other hugs -- friendship, caring hugs -- in the game. It's a travesty. Hugs for lyfe.  (I'll assume that part of the reason for this is that they're more complicated cinematics. Touching and model interaction is usually only reserved for romances.) |
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Post by kestrel on Jun 7, 2017 19:53:34 GMT
I can explain Abelas a bit, from pages and pages ago.
For me, most of the appeal is that he's a pretty blank slate. He's very handsome, and we get small glimpses of his personality and the essential tragedy of his character, but we're also free to do so much with how we picture him reacting and moving on. I like the idea of a character who has spent centuries locked into place coming out into this world he doesn't know and has never experienced, trying to reconcile everything he's ever known with how it is now. I'm free to mold Abelas however I want through my writing, but I'm given just enough of a hint about him that i don't feel like I'm flying completely blind. I can see why people wouldn't like something so nebulous, but for me, it's a fun way to both write the romance I'd actually want to see in the game, and to also operate within the parameters of the lore the series offers but also make my own contributions to it.
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Jun 7, 2017 20:18:45 GMT
I want to see it, but I can't! I mean...I would have to sacrifice Alistair later because of it (because I'm not sacrificing purple Hawke, NO!) and that would break my heart </3 I may have let my sarcastic Hawke die so my Inquisitor would have a chance to hug Varric... RIP Hawke you were the ultimate wingman to the end. In my King!Alistair worldstates, Hawke lives, Glorious Mustache Stroud dies (I like you Stroud, sorry). In my Warden!Alistair states, he lives, and Hawke is left in the fade... but I headcanon that she lives. Partly because you never see her die, and also because of Flemeth's words: "We stand upon the precipice of change. The world fears the inevitable plummet into the abyss. Watch for that moment... and when it comes, do not hesitate to leap. It is only when you fall that you learn whether you can fly." And the quest in question is called... Here Lies the Abyss. Hint hint. Patrick Weekes also semi-approved of this when I asked him, so unless it's proven otherwise my Hawke is alive  Are you able to sacrifice the coolest hero in gaming history for a hug? Well hey, if Bioware would allow us to have more hugs, then we wouldn't have to do that! You can hug Cullen, but that is only if you are in a romance with him. Other than Varric, I can't think of any other hugs -- friendship, caring hugs -- in the game. It's a travesty. Hugs for lyfe. (I'll assume that part of the reason for this is that they're more complicated cinematics. Touching and model interaction is usually only reserved for romances.) I could not possibly agree more! HUGS! I want all of them. We need more ways to show platonic bonds in Bioware games; hugs shouldn't be reserved for romances. Though they're also great in romances, and I was really disappointed that you can never hug Suvi after hugging Cullen like 4 times. Grr. And not getting to hug Cole and hearing his reaction is a travesty  Anyway, hugs are great, they're a normal thing people do a lot. We need more of them. I liked ME:A's hug interrupts, it's a start. As for animations, I don't think it would actually be that complicated. For most hugs, you could even reuse the same animation. Using a variety of angles, you might not notice, but even if you did, I mean, there are only so many ways people hug Not like it would break immersion. Have a hug, Nightscrawl  Have hugs, everyone  |
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Post by Vallerie on Jun 7, 2017 20:49:36 GMT
I may have let my sarcastic Hawke die so my Inquisitor would have a chance to hug Varric... RIP Hawke you were the ultimate wingman to the end. In my King!Alistair worldstates, Hawke lives, Glorious Mustache Stroud dies (I like you Stroud, sorry). In my Warden!Alistair states, he lives, and Hawke is left in the fade... but I headcanon that she lives. Partly because you never see her die, and also because of Flemeth's words: "We stand upon the precipice of change. The world fears the inevitable plummet into the abyss. Watch for that moment... and when it comes, do not hesitate to leap. It is only when you fall that you learn whether you can fly." And the quest in question is called... Here Lies the Abyss. Hint hint. Patrick Weekes also semi-approved of this when I asked him, so unless it's proven otherwise my Hawke is alive Purple Hawke finally learns to become a dragon? That's my headcanon now  Edit: And I can get hug from Varric in that scenario? Win - win  |
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Post by JewlieGhoulie on Jun 7, 2017 23:28:45 GMT
In my King!Alistair worldstates, Hawke lives, Glorious Mustache Stroud dies (I like you Stroud, sorry). In my Warden!Alistair states, he lives, and Hawke is left in the fade... but I headcanon that she lives. Partly because you never see her die, and also because of Flemeth's words: "We stand upon the precipice of change. The world fears the inevitable plummet into the abyss. Watch for that moment... and when it comes, do not hesitate to leap. It is only when you fall that you learn whether you can fly." And the quest in question is called... Here Lies the Abyss. Hint hint. Patrick Weekes also semi-approved of this when I asked him, so unless it's proven otherwise my Hawke is alive Purple Hawke finally learns to become a dragon? That's my headcanon now Edit: And I can get hug from Varric in that scenario? Win - win I can accept this cause Hawke has the best worst luck in the word? Wouldn't be surprised if Hawke survived only to stumble on something Crazier lul Hawke will find the elven gods trapped in the fade :dead: |
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Post by kalasaurus on Jun 10, 2017 6:11:48 GMT
I guess I don't "get" the appeal of purple Hawke. Some of the jokes were great, but other dialogue and autodialogue ("looking into disappearing acts?" with the guy investigating the missing women) made me go o.o
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Post by zarrokhai on Jun 10, 2017 9:12:58 GMT
I dont get fans of Tali. There, I said it (now please don't kill me). It's not that I didnt like her (I thought she was a cool character), but I felt that her character became overrated. Especially by fans of her romance. They made it seem like she was the perfect romance, but when I tried it....well it just felt dull. Also I felt like a pedo cuz the age gap between sheploo and her was definitely huge. All in all, I still dont see her appeal. Though, it was kinda nice that Garrus and her ended up together.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 10, 2017 9:51:56 GMT
I guess I don't "get" the appeal of purple Hawke. Some of the jokes were great, but other dialogue and autodialogue ("looking into disappearing acts?" with the guy investigating the missing women) made me go o.o I like purple Hawke's bad, sometimes cruel jokes. Not because they are funny, rather because they aren't funny. (Sometimes I avoid them, sometimes I choose directly, depending on how I imagine my Hawke.) |
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Post by phantomrachie on Jun 10, 2017 12:41:49 GMT
I guess I don't "get" the appeal of purple Hawke. Some of the jokes were great, but other dialogue and autodialogue ("looking into disappearing acts?" with the guy investigating the missing women) made me go o.o  Nah, I get you. That is why I liked Hawke so much, it was much easier to tailor her personality towards somthing you liked. Want to be nice, then blue Hawke, want to be charming or making crappy jokes, than purple, want to be an asshole then red. I miss Hawke. |
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Post by Ashii6 on Jun 10, 2017 12:44:05 GMT
I guess I don't "get" the appeal of purple Hawke. Some of the jokes were great, but other dialogue and autodialogue ("looking into disappearing acts?" with the guy investigating the missing women) made me go o.o Nah, I get you. That is why I liked Hawke so much, it was much easier to tailor her personality towards somthing you liked. Want to be nice, then blue Hawke, want to be charming or making crappy jokes, than purple, want to be an asshole then red. I miss Hawke.I want Hawke back...  |
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