Character fans you don't "get"

phantomrachie I think Anders and Solas are similar for the reasons people like them. Yes, there is the tragic element of it all, which appeals to some people. But there are also those who don't do the romance (or at least don't have it as their canon, even if they have played it), and who may not like Anders as a person, but who think he is a compelling character. I am one of those.

Anders has a very large goal. Far beyond the immediate needs of the mages in Kirkwall, it extends to all mages under Chantry rule. He doesn't matter. The individual mages in Kirkwall don't matter. If you are a fem Hawke in a romance with him, he talks about the future possibility of having children and not having to worry that they will be taken away. His vision is toward the horizon, in envisioning a better place for all mages, and all future mages that aren't even born. As much as I disagree with his methods, I do think it was the only way. The Chantry had to be forced, and violence was the only way. I think it was one of the most real things Dragon Age has ever done.

Both Anders and Justice were my Warden's friends. She would be very sad to learn what happened to them both. Neither of them exist anymore, not really as the same person they were.

They're not. Both romance slides have them meeting occasionally. The Inquisitor can actually go into Tevinter, while Dorian has to travel down to the border to meet with Bull.


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Having just read all of the epilogues, I do think it appears worse for the Bull-mancers, though, since it doesn't say anything about meeting up for theirs.

I concede your point re Dorian, but as you say, Bull seems to prefer Dorian.

Here is a big one that I might get yelled at for but... Anders. I don't get why people like him in DA:O Awakening where he is a sarcastic asshole and in DA2 he is a tortured asshole. Although I do know that some people find the whole tortured thing sexy, he is still an asshole.

And I'm not even talking about him blowing up the Chantry without telling Hawke because I understand why he didn't tell her about it but the fact that he clearly did not give one shite about what would happen to the Mages after he did it.

The entire Circle of Rivain, most of the Circle of Kirkwall and 100's of others were murdered because of what he did and he knew that was going to happen because the Templars as an order use violence to solve nearly all of their problems and he didn't even give the Mages a heads up, or put anything in place to help the Mages once Elthina was dead.

He knows all about the abuses that happen in the Chantry, he has suffered through those abuses and yet he is willing to sacrifice the lives of innocent Mages for his revenge. He is no better than a Templar.

Also just started another run of DA:I so I'm going to harp on Cullen again for a moment. Got to the bit where he is excusing the Templars leaving the Chantry because the Chantry has taken them for granted and I just wanted to slap him in the face. Divine Justina starts seriously looking into the grievances of the Mages instead of ignoring them as per usual and the Templars close ranks & throw a hissy fit.

If anything the events post DA2 & Pre DA:I just confirms the serious lack of oversight the Chantry had over the Templars and Seekers. The Chantry were clearly never really in control of them so this rebellion because of a slight was inevitable.

Well, who cares what David Gaider thinks?

What about someone, who likes this "asshole", because of he have many virtues AND flaws too.
He have reason to not tell, what he planned. For example:
1. Hawke can jeopardize his plan (confirmed: Hawke can betray him, no matter, than Elthina and Cullen too idiot...), 
2. he last trusted his parents as a child. His father betrayed him. Later, he trusted Karl. Karl died. He trusted in the Wardens, they betrayed him to the Templars. 
3. he doesn't want to involve Hawke more than he considers necessary;

And he tell Hawke, what he plans is bloody, if Hawke interest about it: It's "easy to support freedom, until no one to died to achieve it". I think, from that sentence, Hawke would be able to conclude, that his plan's not so peaceful (I also was disappointed, that he was secretive and later vague, but I still can understand his decision.)

I completely agree that it's a ridiculous idea for a ship. I do like the little interaction you can get in DAI if Alistair did the dark ritual with her and remained a warden. After all those years there's almost respect there, especially from Morrigan's side, but an actual relationship? Er... Nope. Never happening.

like I said in my post, I 100% understand why he didn't tell Hawke. My issue is that whole he talks alot about freedom mages, his actions or lack thereof indicate that he doesn't actually care about the consequences his actions have for other people. He is willing to be killed for his actions but he doesn't seem care that about anyone else who might die as a consequence of something he did, so it makes it come off like he did what he did for revenge rather than for the good of mages.