mrslothy
The Beastmaster
Elcor in the Fade
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Post by mrslothy on Jun 3, 2017 23:24:37 GMT
weird, i find his quest not that problematic really, i think it is something that could happen in thedas/tevinter and it fits the character/setting. what i do have a problem with is his sass at the most inopportune times, i find that romance was a bit spoiled occasionally by his defence mechanisms. i would have loved to see more of a serious dorian without all the posturing  otherwise i found him to be fully realized, complex character worth his companion status and exploration of what it means to be gay in tevinter didn't bother me one bit. I wasn't too bothered by that because I saw it for what it was, a defense mechanism, as you said. To me it adds to the character, and the romance because I can see the seriousness underneath. I enjoy the process of getting him to open up. Dorian is a show, not tell, sort of character, and I can see that he cares. Even his final words in the Inquisitor's quarters show that words are less meaningful than actions. That's not to say that my Inquisitor doesn't get frustrated occasionally, he does, especially since he is very open and effusive, but he understands. As for his story, I think it's also worth noting that it is his experience as a gay altus. I doubt the rest of Tevinter society, or normal folk, care all that much. although i can generally agree (all people act crappy sometimes), gaider pushed sass too much for my tastes. which might have been fine if inky could call dorian out on a bit more often. as such, some situations leave things to be desired for me |
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 3, 2017 23:30:23 GMT
Dorian as a character is fine. It's his quest that makes people shitty. >__> weird, i find his quest not that problematic really, i think it is something that could happen in thedas/tevinter and it fits the character/setting. what i do have a problem with is his sass at the most inopportune times, i find that romance was a bit spoiled occasionally by his defence mechanisms. i would have loved to see more of a serious dorian without all the posturing otherwise i found him to be fully realized, complex character worth his companion status and exploration of what it means to be gay in tevinter didn't bother me one bit. It's only "something that could happen" because the writers randomly decided to inject blatant homophobia into the setting, when it had previously been absent. Not to mention it's a gross insult to anyone who has actually endured conversion therapy in real life. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 23:36:32 GMT
I wasn't too bothered by that because I saw it for what it was, a defense mechanism, as you said. To me it adds to the character, and the romance because I can see the seriousness underneath. I enjoy the process of getting him to open up. Dorian is a show, not tell, sort of character, and I can see that he cares. Even his final words in the Inquisitor's quarters show that words are less meaningful than actions. That's not to say that my Inquisitor doesn't get frustrated occasionally, he does, especially since he is very open and effusive, but he understands. As for his story, I think it's also worth noting that it is his experience as a gay altus. I doubt the rest of Tevinter society, or normal folk, care all that much. although i can generally agree (all people act crappy sometimes), gaider pushed sass too much for my tastes. which might have been fine if inky could call dorian out on a bit more often. as such, some situations leave things to be desired for me Well, don't forget that scenes play differently depending on dialogue options chosen. Most of the main romance scenes, primarily the amulet quest, and also the post-sex conversation, are serious from the way I play them out. The dialogue where you ask him about "after" does have him be flippant, and then serious, but you can also call him out on it in two different ways, and express irritation. I suppose the scene I'm the least pleased with is the post-Mythal conversation, but not necessarily for Dorian's part in it, but just because I don't like the way it all plays out, including the Inquisitor's limited dialogue options. This is why I wrote a fic to "fix" it for myself. But yeah, I get it. Everyone is going to have their own read on things. |
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mrslothy
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Post by mrslothy on Jun 4, 2017 0:42:22 GMT
weird, i find his quest not that problematic really, i think it is something that could happen in thedas/tevinter and it fits the character/setting. what i do have a problem with is his sass at the most inopportune times, i find that romance was a bit spoiled occasionally by his defence mechanisms. i would have loved to see more of a serious dorian without all the posturing otherwise i found him to be fully realized, complex character worth his companion status and exploration of what it means to be gay in tevinter didn't bother me one bit. It's only "something that could happen" because the writers randomly decided to inject blatant homophobia into the setting, when it had previously been absent. Not to mention it's a gross insult to anyone who has actually endured conversion therapy in real life. i guess we'll just disagree then. i find tevinter's homophobia realistic in a sense "don't care who you sleep with, as long as you produce an heir". any society that emphasizes breeding would find relationships that do not produce a child problematic in at least some aspects. at the very least, these relationships would be different and we know how humanity tends to react to different, no? i like how thedas setting treats lgbt- for the most part it is completely fine (yay!), but some places have less than enlightened view. i find it a positive example that holds some realism. and when i say realism i do not mean in comparison to our world, but as a model how humans behave in general. and on second point, i cannot speak for people that went through conversion therapy, but i didn't get a sense from dorian's quest that it was handled flippantly, as a comedy relief or disrespectful. if anything it alluded to the atrocity committed and gave dorian much emotional depth, with him being vulnerable and honest. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 12:44:15 GMT
I have a couple of Dorian arts to share, one charming, one sexy. Anyone seen the anime Howl's Moving Castle? One artist did a mashup. Source.Source. |
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Jun 5, 2017 10:33:50 GMT
It's only "something that could happen" because the writers randomly decided to inject blatant homophobia into the setting, when it had previously been absent. Not to mention it's a gross insult to anyone who has actually endured conversion therapy in real life. i guess we'll just disagree then. i find tevinter's homophobia realistic in a sense "don't care who you sleep with, as long as you produce an heir". any society that emphasizes breeding would find relationships that do not produce a child problematic in at least some aspects. at the very least, these relationships would be different and we know how humanity tends to react to different, no? i like how thedas setting treats lgbt- for the most part it is completely fine (yay!), but some places have less than enlightened view. i find it a positive example that holds some realism. and when i say realism i do not mean in comparison to our world, but as a model how humans behave in general. and on second point, i cannot speak for people that went through conversion therapy, but i didn't get a sense from dorian's quest that it was handled flippantly, as a comedy relief or disrespectful. if anything it alluded to the atrocity committed and gave dorian much emotional depth, with him being vulnerable and honest. I think it would have been interesting if Tevinter magical researchers had developed spells that allowed two men or two women to produce a child.  |
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mrslothy
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Post by mrslothy on Jun 5, 2017 12:17:50 GMT
i guess we'll just disagree then. i find tevinter's homophobia realistic in a sense "don't care who you sleep with, as long as you produce an heir". any society that emphasizes breeding would find relationships that do not produce a child problematic in at least some aspects. at the very least, these relationships would be different and we know how humanity tends to react to different, no? i like how thedas setting treats lgbt- for the most part it is completely fine (yay!), but some places have less than enlightened view. i find it a positive example that holds some realism. and when i say realism i do not mean in comparison to our world, but as a model how humans behave in general. and on second point, i cannot speak for people that went through conversion therapy, but i didn't get a sense from dorian's quest that it was handled flippantly, as a comedy relief or disrespectful. if anything it alluded to the atrocity committed and gave dorian much emotional depth, with him being vulnerable and honest. I think it would have been interesting if Tevinter magical researchers had developed spells that allowed two men or two women to produce a child. hmmm, i love the idea but you got to ask yourself first, does it make SENSE tm?
:fliesawayonmagicaldragoncommandinganarmyofdemons:
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Jun 5, 2017 12:40:32 GMT
I think it would have been interesting if Tevinter magical researchers had developed spells that allowed two men or two women to produce a child. hmmm, i love the idea but you got to ask yourself first, does it make SENSE tm?
:fliesawayonmagicaldragoncommandinganarmyofdemons:
That question kills me.  |
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Post by Lee on Jun 6, 2017 9:57:44 GMT
i guess we'll just disagree then. i find tevinter's homophobia realistic in a sense "don't care who you sleep with, as long as you produce an heir". any society that emphasizes breeding would find relationships that do not produce a child problematic in at least some aspects. at the very least, these relationships would be different and we know how humanity tends to react to different, no? i like how thedas setting treats lgbt- for the most part it is completely fine (yay!), but some places have less than enlightened view. i find it a positive example that holds some realism. and when i say realism i do not mean in comparison to our world, but as a model how humans behave in general. and on second point, i cannot speak for people that went through conversion therapy, but i didn't get a sense from dorian's quest that it was handled flippantly, as a comedy relief or disrespectful. if anything it alluded to the atrocity committed and gave dorian much emotional depth, with him being vulnerable and honest. I think it would have been interesting if Tevinter magical researchers had developed spells that allowed two men or two women to produce a child. -shakes fist at the sky- Blood magic! Corruption in every corner! I will snuff it out!  |
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jun 12, 2017 13:08:53 GMT
  more nsfw stuff here |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 14:10:22 GMT
more nsfw stuff here |
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Jun 13, 2017 11:25:00 GMT
more nsfw stuff hereI love the unadulterated joy on their faces. They're so happy to be kissing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 14:08:47 GMT
I love the unadulterated joy on their faces. They're so happy to be kissing. I love the way Dorian smiles, here and in the game itself.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 20:02:27 GMT
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jun 19, 2017 17:06:16 GMT
Posting this here too   |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2017 22:50:24 GMT
I had forgotten how happy and excited the Inquisitor is when Dorian says he's staying in the south after In Hushed Whispers. It fits in so great if you're planning on romancing him.
Also I had a glitched Mother Giselle humping the wall behind Dorian in that scene.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2017 1:56:59 GMT
I had forgotten how happy and excited the Inquisitor is when Dorian says he's staying in the south after In Hushed Whispers. It fits in so great if you're planning on romancing him. I know! I love this too. What also works well for my particular headcanon is the way that the Brit VA says "Who are you?" when he meets Dorian in the chantry. He's just so dazzled by, well, everything about him. XD |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 12:59:44 GMT
 https://www.reddit.com/r/dragonage/comments/6jrjoi/no_spoilersoc_my_first_dragon_age_render/ |
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Post by Scottphoto on Jul 1, 2017 16:32:21 GMT
https://www.reddit.com/r/dragonage/comments/6jrjoi/no_spoilersoc_my_first_dragon_age_render/ Thats cute! I do wish there was a romance scene where he does some magical stuff thats romantic just for you. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 20:05:45 GMT
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