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Post by gimolas on Jun 1, 2017 19:16:29 GMT
It worked out way better this way. No one wants to read about a 50 year old going on an adventure lol I remember starting to read Fellowship after the movie and was like, "why is Frodo old? No way, I want the movie Frodo!" And never picked up the books again until...a few days ago. I'm going to pretend they're younger as I read it. Hobbits come of age at 33, and IIRC Pippin, the youngest, was 33. So that makes him the hobbit equivalent of an 18 year old human, lol. Edit: I went to the wiki to verify whether I just made this up in my head or not, but I'm *pretty* sure I didn't and the dates in the wiki are confusing me because of the various Ages so I'm just gonna pretend I'm right until I can confirm it. Lol EDIT EDIT: Okay apparently he was 28, which means he wasn't even technically an adult yet. Merry was 36. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 19:28:21 GMT
I'll be honest, I read the books after watching the movies and I didn't realize/remember that Frodo was actually old. lol I guess I mentally blocked that out, because he was always Elijah in my mind. I read the first book, got suuuuuper bored. Then the movies came out. Between the 2nd and 3rd, I read the final two books. Haven't read the Hobbit yet though. But yeah I was able to easily finish the books once I could put faces to the names. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 19:28:59 GMT
I remember starting to read Fellowship after the movie and was like, "why is Frodo old? No way, I want the movie Frodo!" And never picked up the books again until...a few days ago. I'm going to pretend they're younger as I read it. Hobbits come of age at 33, and IIRC Pippin, the youngest, was 33. So that makes him the hobbit equivalent of an 18 year old human, lol. Edit: I went to the wiki to verify whether I just made this up in my head or not, but I'm *pretty* sure I didn't and the dates in the wiki are confusing me because of the various Ages so I'm just gonna pretend I'm right until I can confirm it. Lol EDIT EDIT: Okay apparently he was 28, which means he wasn't even technically an adult yet. Merry was 36. Bless!! My sweet wittle Pip. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 19:29:49 GMT
I remember, at the tender age of 20 or so, shipping Merry and Pippin in the theatre as I was watching the movie for the first time and thinking, okay, they're cousins, but they can't make babies so.. it's okay right?!??!?!
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Post by Lee on Jun 2, 2017 1:16:57 GMT
50 year olds can go on adventures...plus he had the ring that slowed his aging down anyway. Physically he was in the prime of his life basically. He would have been older then Elijah Woods mind you, but not as old as yall are talking. Shesh!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 1:51:17 GMT
50 year olds can go on adventures...plus he had the ring that slowed his aging down anyway. Physically he was in the prime of his life basically. He would have been older then Elijah Woods mind you, but not as old as yall are talking. Shesh! haha I know they can!! I'm just saying, no one wants to watch that  I'm 36 and I know no one would want to watch someone like me becoming The Chosen One; damn there's no way these knees would make it up Mt. Doom  |
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Post by Lee on Jun 3, 2017 4:00:05 GMT
I love watching older characters on movies and tv's so maybe I'm just not the one to convince that "old people are bad for movies".  One of my favorite movies as a kid was Cocoon. Seeing those old farts dip a butt in the magic pool and get crazy was a hoot!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 4:10:27 GMT
I love watching older characters on movies and tv's so maybe I'm just not the one to convince that "old people are bad for movies". One of my favorite movies as a kid was Cocoon. Seeing those old farts dip a butt in the magic pool and get crazy was a hoot! I remember Cocoon and yeah I loved that one; wasn't there a sequel?  |
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Post by Lee on Jun 3, 2017 4:29:23 GMT
I love watching older characters on movies and tv's so maybe I'm just not the one to convince that "old people are bad for movies". One of my favorite movies as a kid was Cocoon. Seeing those old farts dip a butt in the magic pool and get crazy was a hoot! I remember Cocoon and yeah I loved that one; wasn't there a sequel? Yes! It was good too. I would love to see both of them again now that I think about it. I think we have them on vhs. That's doing me a lot of good.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 5:18:33 GMT
I remember Cocoon and yeah I loved that one; wasn't there a sequel? Yes! It was good too. I would love to see both of them again now that I think about it. I think we have them on vhs. That's doing me a lot of good. YOU STILL HAVE A VCR!?  Sorry to hijack the thread gimolasUhh, uhh, who would win in a fight: Galadriel v. Saruman Aragorn v. Thorin Bilbo v. Merry Eowyn v. Arwen |
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Post by nocte on Jun 3, 2017 5:38:26 GMT
I can't remember having a VCR my whole life. lol
Winners:
Galadriel
Aragorn
Merry
Book Eowyn, but movie Arwen
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Post by Lee on Jun 3, 2017 7:09:16 GMT
Yes! It was good too. I would love to see both of them again now that I think about it. I think we have them on vhs. That's doing me a lot of good. YOU STILL HAVE A VCR!? Sorry to hijack the thread gimolas Uhh, uhh, who would win in a fight: Galadriel v. Saruman Aragorn v. Thorin Bilbo v. Merry Eowyn v. Arwen We do oddly enough, but I have little interest in watching anything on it. VCR quality movies are pretty shit at this point. Saruman, Aragorn, Merry (unless Bilbo had the ring somehow), Eowyn . |
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Post by gimolas on Jun 3, 2017 18:56:51 GMT
I can't remember having a VCR my whole life. lol Winners: Galadriel Aragorn Merry Book Eowyn, but movie Arwen I agree with these winners, but Aragorn vs. Thorin was the hardest one for me, lol. Sorry tiny papa.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 3:40:23 GMT
Have I shared this?  ( source) As for the match-ups... Galadriel woudl defeat Saruman; she's far older than he is and thus has wisdom and experience; in terms of magical power, I can't imagine one is much stronger than the other. Only caveat is Saruman is basically a demi-god; well I'm hardly an expert on LOTR mythology and istari but eh. Aragorn would win, and I'm sorry to my handsome king Thorin, too  But Aragorn is older I think? So more experienced, but more importantly, Aragorn is very level headed, and Thorin is too passionate in a fight; he would make a mistake. Merry easily defeats Bilbo since he's (I think) a younger man and has had some sword training, and I think his disposition in general is more steadfast and battle-ready. Yeah book!Arwen sort of doesn't even really exist; she only shows up in appendices I think? Correct me if I"m wrong. Movie Arwen would obviously kick butt. Not her fault Tolkien was a man of his times and hence quite sexist. (What person is hundreds maybe thousands of years old but never picked up a sword lol a woman of course, right Tolks thanks) |
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Jun 15, 2017 18:46:15 GMT
What a beautiful thread, I'm glad I found it. Thank you for making it gimolas . Elfies  *snip* Yeah, I like the hobbits actually in the movie, but they kind of go out of their way to say in the movies/books that it's actually not normal for hobbits to go on adventures and everything. They seem pretty stuffy. lol I agree the elves have the most interesting culture, because of course I do. But the question is, are you a Rivendell or Mirkwood elf? Elves have always been my favorite as well, mostly the Noldor because I can relate with their drive to create. What can I say? I'm a sucker for artists. Do you have any particular group that you prefer? Teleri, Vanyar, Noldor, Sindar etc.? It worked out way better this way. No one wants to read about a 50 year old going on an adventure lol I remember starting to read Fellowship after the movie and was like, "why is Frodo old? No way, I want the movie Frodo!" And never picked up the books again until...a few days ago. I'm going to pretend they're younger as I read it. Yeah it's a pretty weird head trip at how old Frodo is in the books but if it makes you feel any better and if my memory serves me correctly, I believe because of the power of the one ring Frodo barely aged and was also said to look quite fair. EDIT: This is also taking into consideration that hobbits might age slower because they live longer than humans, even though he started his quest around age 50 I think. |
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Post by gimolas on Jun 16, 2017 8:18:18 GMT
What a beautiful thread, I'm glad I found it. Thank you for making it gimolas . Yeah, I like the hobbits actually in the movie, but they kind of go out of their way to say in the movies/books that it's actually not normal for hobbits to go on adventures and everything. They seem pretty stuffy. lol I agree the elves have the most interesting culture, because of course I do. But the question is, are you a Rivendell or Mirkwood elf? Elves have always been my favorite as well, mostly the Noldor because I can relate with their drive to create. What can I say? I'm a sucker for artists. Do you have any particular group that you prefer? Teleri, Vanyar, Noldor, Sindar etc.? Lol you're welcome, I hope more people come here because I love LOTR. To be honest, I have no idea what the differences between the groups of elves are, lol. I think I'm kind of vaguely aware that Galadriel is Noldor and Legolas and Thranduil are probably Sindarin. I've only read the trilogy and the hobbit and haven't really gone too hard into the rest of the legendarium. One day, though. |
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Jun 16, 2017 9:32:27 GMT
What a beautiful thread, I'm glad I found it. Thank you for making it gimolas . Elves have always been my favorite as well, mostly the Noldor because I can relate with their drive to create. What can I say? I'm a sucker for artists. Do you have any particular group that you prefer? Teleri, Vanyar, Noldor, Sindar etc.? Lol you're welcome, I hope more people come here because I love LOTR. To be honest, I have no idea what the differences between the groups of elves are, lol. I think I'm kind of vaguely aware that Galadriel is Noldor and Legolas and Thranduil are probably Sindarin. I've only read the trilogy and the hobbit and haven't really gone too hard into the rest of the legendarium. One day, though.  Here is a quick rundown and small explanation on some of their differences. The Vanyar, Noldor, and Teleri are elves that all made the great journey to Aman (undying lands) to live with the Valar and live under the light of the two trees (This was before the sun and the moon was made). The Vanyar arrived first, the Noldor arrived second and the Teleri third. This is the reason they're all referred to as the Calaquendi or light elves/high elves and are more powerful than the elves that stayed in middle earth. Some very basic differences between them is that the Noldor are usually the craftsman, some of the best weapon smiths (aside from dwarves), jewel smiths and lore masters. Their name in quenya actually means those with knowledge. They have a pretty big drive to create but are very prideful and are also the most morally grey throughout the Silmarillion. Usually they are noted for having Dark hair, or very rarely red. Most were killed off by the time LOTR came along sadly. The Teleri were the mariner's, master ship makers and musicians. They are noted for having a mix of silver and dark hair. The Vanyar are golden haired and there is not much written about them. When the Noldor rebelled from Aman and went back to middle earth the Vanyar took no part and remained, they're pretty boring imo. The Sindar or the grey elves are an offshoot of the Teleri that undertook the journey to Aman. They made it to Belariend however they did not complete the journey to Aman and remained in middle earth. There is also a couple other offshoots and the silven elves which I believe are the ones in Mirkwood, but I can't honestly remember. You're 100% right that Legolas and Thranduil are actually Sindar though. Of course these superficial differences are not set in stone and there are exceptions. One of the best musicians in middle earth was a noldo and there was a very good smith that was actually a Sinda etc. I would recommend the Silmarillion if you get the chance and if you like it, the histories of middle earth. Sorry for blabbing your ear off, I just like talking about this stuff and I literally don't know anyone in person who likes LOTR. I also tried joining a Tolkien forum and they were pretty snotty because I liked the movies and games, so it wasn't for me lol. uhhhhh I also hope I didn't bore you or freak you out. Just let me know and I'll rein in my enthusiasm.  |
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Post by gimolas on Jun 16, 2017 23:18:20 GMT
Lol you're welcome, I hope more people come here because I love LOTR. To be honest, I have no idea what the differences between the groups of elves are, lol. I think I'm kind of vaguely aware that Galadriel is Noldor and Legolas and Thranduil are probably Sindarin. I've only read the trilogy and the hobbit and haven't really gone too hard into the rest of the legendarium. One day, though. Here is a quick rundown and small explanation on some of their differences. The Vanyar, Noldor, and Teleri are elves that all made the great journey to Aman (undying lands) to live with the Valar and live under the light of the two trees (This was before the sun and the moon was made). The Vanyar arrived first, the Noldor arrived second and the Teleri third. This is the reason they're all referred to as the Calaquendi or light elves/high elves and are more powerful than the elves that stayed in middle earth. Some very basic differences between them is that the Noldor are usually the craftsman, some of the best weapon smiths (aside from dwarves), jewel smiths and lore masters. Their name in quenya actually means those with knowledge. They have a pretty big drive to create but are very prideful and are also the most morally grey throughout the Silmarillion. Usually they are noted for having Dark hair, or very rarely red. Most were killed off by the time LOTR came along sadly. The Teleri were the mariner's, master ship makers and musicians. They are noted for having a mix of silver and dark hair. The Vanyar are golden haired and there is not much written about them. When the Noldor rebelled from Aman and went back to middle earth the Vanyar took no part and remained, they're pretty boring imo. The Sindar or the grey elves are an offshoot of the Teleri that undertook the journey to Aman. They made it to Belariend however they did not complete the journey to Aman and remained in middle earth. There is also a couple other offshoots and the silven elves which I believe are the ones in Mirkwood, but I can't honestly remember. You're 100% right that Legolas and Thranduil are actually Sindar though. Of course these superficial differences are not set in stone and there are exceptions. One of the best musicians in middle earth was a noldo and there was a very good smith that was actually a Sinda etc. I would recommend the Silmarillion if you get the chance and if you like it, the histories of middle earth. Sorry for blabbing your ear off, I just like talking about this stuff and I literally don't know anyone in person who likes LOTR. I also tried joining a Tolkien forum and they were pretty snotty because I liked the movies and games, so it wasn't for me lol. uhhhhh I also hope I didn't bore you or freak you out. Just let me know and I'll rein in my enthusiasm. Lol no, I actually like that you broke this down into something easier. I wondered what the differences between the elves are and found some kind of chart and I was just like "haha, no." I like all the elves, though, because I am pure elf trash. lol I have the silm, I just haven't read it yet because I feel like it's going to be work, lol. I'm going to have to take notes and everything. I will do it at some point. And you won't find any snobbiness here, without the movies I never would've been introduced to this beautiful world, I love them. lol |
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Jun 17, 2017 2:41:38 GMT
Here is a quick rundown and small explanation on some of their differences. The Vanyar, Noldor, and Teleri are elves that all made the great journey to Aman (undying lands) to live with the Valar and live under the light of the two trees (This was before the sun and the moon was made). The Vanyar arrived first, the Noldor arrived second and the Teleri third. This is the reason they're all referred to as the Calaquendi or light elves/high elves and are more powerful than the elves that stayed in middle earth. Some very basic differences between them is that the Noldor are usually the craftsman, some of the best weapon smiths (aside from dwarves), jewel smiths and lore masters. Their name in quenya actually means those with knowledge. They have a pretty big drive to create but are very prideful and are also the most morally grey throughout the Silmarillion. Usually they are noted for having Dark hair, or very rarely red. Most were killed off by the time LOTR came along sadly. The Teleri were the mariner's, master ship makers and musicians. They are noted for having a mix of silver and dark hair. The Vanyar are golden haired and there is not much written about them. When the Noldor rebelled from Aman and went back to middle earth the Vanyar took no part and remained, they're pretty boring imo. The Sindar or the grey elves are an offshoot of the Teleri that undertook the journey to Aman. They made it to Belariend however they did not complete the journey to Aman and remained in middle earth. There is also a couple other offshoots and the silven elves which I believe are the ones in Mirkwood, but I can't honestly remember. You're 100% right that Legolas and Thranduil are actually Sindar though. Of course these superficial differences are not set in stone and there are exceptions. One of the best musicians in middle earth was a noldo and there was a very good smith that was actually a Sinda etc. I would recommend the Silmarillion if you get the chance and if you like it, the histories of middle earth. Sorry for blabbing your ear off, I just like talking about this stuff and I literally don't know anyone in person who likes LOTR. I also tried joining a Tolkien forum and they were pretty snotty because I liked the movies and games, so it wasn't for me lol. uhhhhh I also hope I didn't bore you or freak you out. Just let me know and I'll rein in my enthusiasm. Lol no, I actually like that you broke this down into something easier. I wondered what the differences between the elves are and found some kind of chart and I was just like "haha, no." I like all the elves, though, because I am pure elf trash. lol I have the silm, I just haven't read it yet because I feel like it's going to be work, lol. I'm going to have to take notes and everything. I will do it at some point. And you won't find any snobbiness here, without the movies I never would've been introduced to this beautiful world, I love them. lol I can relate, even though I have my favorites, I'm also horrible elf trash for any elf really and I blame Tolkien for this. As for the silm the first few chapters can be pretty awful for most people but it starts to pick up if you can get over the slump and soon you'll be reading all those little charts like a pro.  |
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Post by gimolas on Jun 18, 2017 16:36:02 GMT
Lol no, I actually like that you broke this down into something easier. I wondered what the differences between the elves are and found some kind of chart and I was just like "haha, no." I like all the elves, though, because I am pure elf trash. lol I have the silm, I just haven't read it yet because I feel like it's going to be work, lol. I'm going to have to take notes and everything. I will do it at some point. And you won't find any snobbiness here, without the movies I never would've been introduced to this beautiful world, I love them. lol I can relate, even though I have my favorites, I'm also horrible elf trash for any elf really and I blame Tolkien for this. As for the silm the first few chapters can be pretty awful for most people but it starts to pick up if you can get over the slump and soon you'll be reading all those little charts like a pro. Hey, sorry I'm terrible at replying on time sometimes, lol. I know a tumblr that has a guide to reading the Silmarillion (askmiddleearth if you want to go look) so I'm probably going to use that to help me. It says that you can read some chapters out of order to make things flow better if you want to. What are your thoughts about that? And I am looking forward to understanding all those incredibly confusing charts, lol. |
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I'm 36 and I know no one would want to watch someone like me becoming The Chosen One; damn there's no way these knees would make it up Mt. Doom 
One of my favorite movies as a kid was Cocoon. Seeing those old farts dip a butt in the magic pool and get crazy was a hoot! 
But Aragorn is older I think? So more experienced, but more importantly, Aragorn is very level headed, and Thorin is too passionate in a fight; he would make a mistake.
Here is a quick rundown and small explanation on some of their differences. 
