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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Jun 18, 2017 17:26:06 GMT
I can relate, even though I have my favorites, I'm also horrible elf trash for any elf really and I blame Tolkien for this. As for the silm the first few chapters can be pretty awful for most people but it starts to pick up if you can get over the slump and soon you'll be reading all those little charts like a pro.  Hey, sorry I'm terrible at replying on time sometimes, lol. I know a tumblr that has a guide to reading the Silmarillion (askmiddleearth if you want to go look) so I'm probably going to use that to help me. It says that you can read some chapters out of order to make things flow better if you want to. What are your thoughts about that? And I am looking forward to understanding all those incredibly confusing charts, lol. No worries. I think I'm starting to spend waaaay too much of my time on message boards anyway.  I personally liked reading it in order but it's perfectly fine not to. I recommended reading chapters out of order to obiwancomeblowme if there were some in particular he didn't like. Most of the Silmarillion is a collection of legendary stories and while there might be some small connection with the same characters popping up briefly between chapters, it's not enough to make a big difference. If you want to read something really depressing, there is of Túrin Turambar, a more fairy tale chapter would be of Beren and Lúthien, The Flight of the Noldor for something crazy but it might be best reading of Fëanor with this, and the fall of the Fall of Gondolin is pretty epic imo. If you pay attention to the hobbit movies, Legolas actually mentions Gondolin when they first capture the Dwarves. There's a lot of really good chapters to choose from.  I think the most difficult thing about the Silmarillion is that is spans thousands of years with a lot of characters. A lot of the names are similar sounding/complicated. The whole book is mostly about elves, there's no hobbits and the chapters with men and Dwarves are very brief in comparison, Oh and it's pretty sad, even the happier chapters. You also might not like any of the book at all, so there's that. I know some can find all the flowery language a bit dry lol but don't feel bad if the book is just not for you.  |
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Post by gimolas on Jun 18, 2017 21:34:05 GMT
Hey, sorry I'm terrible at replying on time sometimes, lol. I know a tumblr that has a guide to reading the Silmarillion (askmiddleearth if you want to go look) so I'm probably going to use that to help me. It says that you can read some chapters out of order to make things flow better if you want to. What are your thoughts about that? And I am looking forward to understanding all those incredibly confusing charts, lol. No worries. I think I'm starting to spend waaaay too much of my time on message boards anyway. I personally liked reading it in order but it's perfectly fine not to. I recommended reading chapters out of order to obiwancomeblowme if there were some in particular he didn't like. Most of the Silmarillion is a collection of legendary stories and while there might be some small connection with the same characters popping up briefly between chapters, it's not enough to make a big difference. If you want to read something really depressing, there is of Túrin Turambar, a more fairy tale chapter would be of Beren and Lúthien, The Flight of the Noldor for something crazy but it might be best reading of Fëanor with this, and the fall of the Fall of Gondolin is pretty epic imo. If you pay attention to the hobbit movies, Legolas actually mentions Gondolin when they first capture the Dwarves. There's a lot of really good chapters to choose from. I think the most difficult thing about the Silmarillion is that is spans thousands of years with a lot of characters. A lot of the names are similar sounding/complicated. The whole book is mostly about elves, there's no hobbits and the chapters with men and Dwarves are very brief in comparison, Oh and it's pretty sad, even the happier chapters. You also might not like any of the book at all, so there's that. I know some can find all the flowery language a bit dry lol but don't feel bad if the book is just not for you. The fact that it is just about elves is definitely a point in its favor, lol. I'm sure I will like it, I just can't read it yet because I'm reading something else, and I'm one of those people who can only read 1 book at a time or I get too distracted. Your excitement is contagious though, because now I really want to finish my current book so I can try the silm, haha. |
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Nov 24, 2017 2:18:35 GMT
I don't know if anyone has seen this but I thought this would be the most appropriate thread. Good idea? bad? I'm willing to give it a chance. LOTR Amazon tv series linklinkWhat's pretty interesting is that the series will be a prequel to the LOTR and not a reboot. So with the language used in every article I've read gives me a small hope that it might be material from the Silmarillion,(I'm salivating now at the thought) but I really doubt it's that. In all reality it's probably something from the appendixes or something, which does worry me a little as I don't want it to get too fan ficcy. I want it well done but while I'm pretty fearful, I'm also excited at the same time. This could either be huge or one of the biggest flops. I'm not necroing am I? should I have started a new thread? |
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Post by Crimson on Nov 24, 2017 2:42:30 GMT
I don't know if anyone has seen this but I thought this would be the most appropriate thread. Good idea? bad? I'm willing to give it a chance. LOTR Amazon tv series linklinkWhat's pretty interesting is that the series will be a prequel to the LOTR and not a reboot. So with the language used in every article I've read gives me a small hope that it might be material from the Silmarillion,(I'm salivating now at the thought) but I really doubt it's that. In all reality it's probably something from the appendixes or something, which does worry me a little as I don't want it to get too fan ficcy. I want it well done but while I'm pretty fearful, I'm also excited at the same time. This could either be huge or one of the biggest flops. I'm not necroing am I? should I have started a new thread? We don't have a necromancy rule here. No need to start a new thread, it's on topic.   As for a LOTR tv series, heard about this. I dunno, hopefully it won't be terrible. I adored Peter Jackson's Trilogy, found his Hobbit trilogy very meh tho. |
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Nov 24, 2017 2:55:20 GMT
I don't know if anyone has seen this but I thought this would be the most appropriate thread. Good idea? bad? I'm willing to give it a chance. LOTR Amazon tv series linklinkWhat's pretty interesting is that the series will be a prequel to the LOTR and not a reboot. So with the language used in every article I've read gives me a small hope that it might be material from the Silmarillion,(I'm salivating now at the thought) but I really doubt it's that. In all reality it's probably something from the appendixes or something, which does worry me a little as I don't want it to get too fan ficcy. I want it well done but while I'm pretty fearful, I'm also excited at the same time. This could either be huge or one of the biggest flops. I'm not necroing am I? should I have started a new thread? We don't have a necromancy rule here. No need to start a new thread, it's on topic.  As for a LOTR tv series, heard about this. I dunno, hopefully it won't be terrible. I adored Peter Jackson's Trilogy, found his Hobbit trilogy very meh tho. I saw the grave pic before I read anything and got scared I loved Jackson's trilogy as well and thought it was beautifully done. One good thing about this being a series is that there will be a tighter budget, so I would assume that they would have to rely a lot less on cgi than what the hobbit had....hopefully. Probably one of my biggest peeves these days. |
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Post by Crimson on Nov 24, 2017 3:20:03 GMT
We don't have a necromancy rule here. No need to start a new thread, it's on topic. As for a LOTR tv series, heard about this. I dunno, hopefully it won't be terrible. I adored Peter Jackson's Trilogy, found his Hobbit trilogy very meh tho.  I loved Jackson's trilogy as well and thought it was beautifully done. One good thing about this being a series is that there will be a tighter budget, so I would assume that they would have to rely a lot less on cgi than what the hobbit had....hopefully. Probably one of my biggest peeves these days. Lol  I don't have Amazon Prime myself, if only Netflix would have picked it up. I guess I can always go pirateJackson did go overboard with the CGI, even in the Return of the King it was too much imo. When he talked about wanting to re-release the Trilogy with updated visuals, thankfully that never came to pass. Leave it be guy, don't become a George Lucas.  This project sounds pretty ambitious, and isn't actually based on anything Tolkien wrote. Heavy risk... |
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Post by Sir Drell on Nov 24, 2017 9:04:56 GMT
I saw the grave pic before I read anything and got scared I loved Jackson's trilogy as well and thought it was beautifully done. One good thing about this being a series is that there will be a tighter budget, so I would assume that they would have to rely a lot less on cgi than what the hobbit had....hopefully. Probably one of my biggest peeves these days. Lol I don't have Amazon Prime myself, if only Netflix would have picked it up. I guess I can always go pirateJackson did go overboard with the CGI, even in the Return of the King it was too much imo. When he talked about wanting to re-release the Trilogy with updated visuals, thankfully that never came to pass. Leave it be guy, don't become a George Lucas. This project sounds pretty ambitious, and isn't actually based on anything Tolkien wrote. Heavy risk... I don't know about this... Also, hi. Never knew this thread was here. |
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Nov 24, 2017 21:44:36 GMT
I saw the grave pic before I read anything and got scared I loved Jackson's trilogy as well and thought it was beautifully done. One good thing about this being a series is that there will be a tighter budget, so I would assume that they would have to rely a lot less on cgi than what the hobbit had....hopefully. Probably one of my biggest peeves these days. Lol  I don't have Amazon Prime myself, if only Netflix would have picked it up. I guess I can always go pirateJackson did go overboard with the CGI, even in the Return of the King it was too much imo. When he talked about wanting to re-release the Trilogy with updated visuals, thankfully that never came to pass. Leave it be guy, don't become a George Lucas.  This project sounds pretty ambitious, and isn't actually based on anything Tolkien wrote. Heavy risk... But the priiiizze... Well, if it's really bad I can just pretend it doesn't exist.  Lol I don't have Amazon Prime myself, if only Netflix would have picked it up. I guess I can always go pirateJackson did go overboard with the CGI, even in the Return of the King it was too much imo. When he talked about wanting to re-release the Trilogy with updated visuals, thankfully that never came to pass. Leave it be guy, don't become a George Lucas. This project sounds pretty ambitious, and isn't actually based on anything Tolkien wrote. Heavy risk... I don't know about this... Also, hi. Never knew this thread was here. Yeah leave it to me to sniff it out and dig it up. I'm sure you think I'm nuts by now |
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Post by Sir Drell on Nov 24, 2017 21:48:43 GMT
I don't know about this... Also, hi. Never knew this thread was here. Yeah leave it to me to sniff it out and dig it up. I'm sure you think I'm nuts by now No, you're just awesome. |
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Nov 24, 2017 21:54:06 GMT
Yeah leave it to me to sniff it out and dig it up. I'm sure you think I'm nuts by now No, you're just awesome.  So are you.  |
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Post by Sir Drell on Nov 24, 2017 22:07:17 GMT
No, you're just awesome. So are you.  Thank you.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 11:25:55 GMT
I know a lot of people like to shit on the movies and Peter Jackson but frankly I loved every single one of them. lol I don't care even a little bit that they're different, books and movies are totally different media, they HAVE to be different. Not that there *aren't* valid criticisms of the movies (the cast could be less blindingly white, also they somewhat ruined Gimli's character, sorry I love Gimli lmao) but they nailed so many things - the entire aesthetic, costumes, the music, a lot of the major casting (Sir Ian as Gandalf and Viggo as Aragorn, Martin Freeman as Bilbo, are absolutely flawless and could not have possibly been cast better) I think perhaps one's perception of the films is maybe if they coincide with any preconceptions or not: for me, they're good films, but they're so very different to the imagery I had in my head since reading the books as a teenager; I also think the films tended to mostly be about the bits of the books that I didn't enjoy so much, so there was lots of epic with added epic! Epiiiiiiiic!!! and less about the more gentle, character-focussed storytelling that had been my main focus. I also felt that Jackson did try to de-Anglicise the story (though again that may have only been the preconception thing, though I think he admitted he did pretty much hijack it for New Zealand: it is a bit irksome when they use "welcome to Middle Earth" as a tourism slogan) which I think is a bit sad as Tolkien had written it to be "an Epic for England". Er anyway, they're decent enough films, if a little battle-heavy, but for me they're not really LotR. |
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Feb 21, 2018 3:54:42 GMT
I know a lot of people like to shit on the movies and Peter Jackson but frankly I loved every single one of them. lol I don't care even a little bit that they're different, books and movies are totally different media, they HAVE to be different. Not that there *aren't* valid criticisms of the movies (the cast could be less blindingly white, also they somewhat ruined Gimli's character, sorry I love Gimli lmao) but they nailed so many things - the entire aesthetic, costumes, the music, a lot of the major casting (Sir Ian as Gandalf and Viggo as Aragorn, Martin Freeman as Bilbo, are absolutely flawless and could not have possibly been cast better) I think perhaps one's perception of the films is maybe if they coincide with any preconceptions or not: for me, they're good films, but they're so very different to the imagery I had in my head since reading the books as a teenager; I also think the films tended to mostly be about the bits of the books that I didn't enjoy so much, so there was lots of epic with added epic! Epiiiiiiiic!!! and less about the more gentle, character-focussed storytelling that had been my main focus. I also felt that Jackson did try to de-Anglicise the story (though again that may have only been the preconception thing, though I think he admitted he did pretty much hijack it for New Zealand: it is a bit irksome when they use "welcome to Middle Earth" as a tourism slogan) which I think is a bit sad as Tolkien had written it to be "an Epic for England". Er anyway, they're decent enough films, if a little battle-heavy, but for me they're not really LotR. Yeah, I'll always feel like the movies are beautiful pieces of cinema but there are still parts that deviate enough to irritate me a little. It's interesting you mention their epic nature, as I think that was one of the reasons why The fellowship of the ring became my favorite and the one which I felt captured the books gentler aspects the best; TTT and ROTK both became a little too action oriented for my tastes, although I still enjoyed them. Another thing that bothered me were that the elves seemed too superhero like (mainly Legolas but others as well). I know the elves were pretty amazing but somehow the books seemed a little more grounded to reality, well for a fantasy story if that makes any sense? or maybe just less tacky? meh I'm having a hard time right now trying to make sense of what I feel. That's the sort of thing that would make me feel nervous about a Silmarillion series or movies to be honest, if that ever happens. I go back and forth because some of the stories are my absolute favorites but nervous because they would probably cut out a lot of characters or turn it into one huge action fest with little character development. I mean I can just picture a beautiful scene with Fëanor master orator giving a poignant speech, only to ruin it a minute later riding on a flaming eagle with a beer in one hand while busting down Angband himself with the other....and somehow the directors and producers thinking it was cool. I know I'm being picky, because I love the films for what they are and I'm quite capable from separating the books from the movies and enjoying both but I know I can also be heavy handed in my critique at times; so much so that some people will think I don't like movies at all, while hardcore book lovers feel like I haven't criticized them enough! Funny situation to be stuck in the middle. |
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Post by Lee on Feb 23, 2018 15:12:02 GMT
Hmmm, not sure how to feel about a LOTR series, but I really wish it was on netflix not amazon prime. Eep-they already stole Doctor Who from me-what more do they want? I just wanted to say to earlier conversations I quite agree that the Peter Jackson LOTR movies were good-not perfect but very enjoyable. The hobbit movies though...  Why on Earth they thought making a short book into 3 movies was a good idea is beyond me, and why they tried to make it so action pack is even more confusing. The book was mostly songs and talking. The movies didn't even resemble the book for me most of the time-I was like-am I still watching the hobbit or did someone swap in King Kong on me. (still hate that peter Jackson flick) That being said I was glad they added in the female elf played by Kate from lost (evangeline lilly). Tauriel was the best thing about those movies easily (even though I hated that the made her story by the end all about being in love with a dead dwarf-but what can you do?) |
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Feb 23, 2018 18:06:01 GMT
Hmmm, not sure how to feel about a LOTR series, but I really wish it was on netflix not amazon prime. Eep-they already stole Doctor Who from me-what more do they want? I just wanted to say to earlier conversations I quite agree that the Peter Jackson LOTR movies were good-not perfect but very enjoyable. The hobbit movies though... Why on Earth they thought making a short book into 3 movies was a good idea is beyond me, and why they tried to make it so action pack is even more confusing. The book was mostly songs and talking. The movies didn't even resemble the book for me most of the time-I was like-am I still watching the hobbit or did someone swap in King Kong on me. (still hate that peter Jackson flick) That being said I was glad they added in the female elf played by Kate from lost (evangeline lilly). Tauriel was the best thing about those movies easily (even though I hated that the made her story by the end all about being in love with a dead dwarf-but what can you do?) Greed man, that's the only thing that seems to keep companies going these days. There really needed to be more development with the dwarves as they were mostly just window dressing. Kili and Fili especially needed to be fleshed out more being Thorin's nephews, heirs and only remaining descendants of Thrór's line, which I think was only mentioned briefly in the second movie. There was much more emotional potential they could've tapped into and I don't know why they didn't because they had an amazing cast of actors. I loved Thorin's and Bilbo's relationship and wish they delved into that a bit more while cutting back on the action and the needless character of Alfred. I actually loved Tauriel as well and Evangeline Lilly is lovely to watch on screen. I thought she was very well done at first, especially the conversation she had about the stars when Kili was in the prison cell; it was all very elvish and I thought a wonderful callback to when the elves first awoke under the stars at cuiviénen....and then it took a turn for the worst with the dumb ass love triangle. I have no clue why every movie needs one these days, this isn't twilight! seriously how long did she know Kili? a couple days and on top of that she's already ready to attack her king....just no and lets not forget "WHY DOES IT HURT?" "BECAUSE IT WAS REAL". Thranduil also had such an amazing screen presence but then they decided to give him that dumb ass line about Aragorn "you must discover it for yourself". I think he seriously looked at the audience when he said that, talk abut breaking the fourth wall, they should've just made him wink while he was at it. And don't get me started on the barrel scene and Legolas's gravity defying walk....alright I might need a breather now, sorry. EDIT: and nobody seemed to care when Fili died! it was too brief and shocking, while Kili's dragged out with dumb romantic stares. |
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Post by Lee on Nov 12, 2020 13:50:16 GMT
I still think Elijah Woods is hot...has he been canceled yet? I seem to always be attracted to terrible people...
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