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Post by * on Mar 20, 2019 20:22:05 GMT
So can someone explain all the uproar over this? I know nothing about pc gaming. Its basically like games on PC are now being exclusive to game launchers. While I like that Epic games store gives more profit to the devs and gives some competition, its apparently rought with security issues, which I just experienced first hand while trying to reset my password. Upon logging back in, my Personal info was changed to someone from Thailand (good thing Id yet to make any purchases) Also the main uproar started back right before Metro Exodus came out. Metro was able to be pre-ordered on Steam for like almost a year, until a very last minute thing happened a couple weeks before the game launched where they said Metro would only be playable through Epic games. (they still honored the pre-orders though) Something similar happened recently with the Phoenix Point game where during its kickstarter, they said itd be available through Steam/GoG/etc, but now that's not the case at launch. Some of these games are having a 12 month delay for the other launchers, so if you dont want to play it through Epic, youll basically be waiting an additional year for the game. I think it mainly comes down to people not wanting to have to open 4 or 5 different launchers just to play different games Which I feel cuz I like having everything in my steam library but *shrug* Ahhhhh I see, that is pretty shitty. *Hugs consoles* |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 6:41:05 GMT
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Post by farferello on Mar 21, 2019 10:10:59 GMT
Epic Games launcher is also a spyware ridden monstrosity, so I'm not surprised people are pretty peeved they're limited to that or the Windows platform. It's great if the devs wanted to go somewhere other than Steam but they couldn't have picked a worse platform.
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Post by * on Mar 21, 2019 12:27:37 GMT
Browsing the subreddit and it's a solid divide between the boycott pc gamers and what's the problem console players. It's pretty fascinating to see.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 16:03:00 GMT
lol are you telling us to STFU or?  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 16:29:00 GMT
lol are you telling us to STFU or?   |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 22:02:09 GMT
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Post by Rouccoco on Mar 21, 2019 22:07:27 GMT
A short list of the crap Steam has done:
- sidestepping EU refund laws by giving you a 14 day return window and immediately forcing you to waive it to complete the purchase; even Origin had normal refunds before Steam
- hands off approach gave it a 4chan style forum, review bombs for stuff like removing a mod that makes every PoC character white or criticising pewdiepie, tagging system that was overrun by tags like "sjw crap"
- selling games that don't have an exe files and thus will not even let you open them
- early access being nearly as bad
- the app hasn't seen a meaningful UI/UX update since 1953, not to mention all of the bloat*
- store discoverability is non-existent, there are like 500 steam catalogue pages, because of how hard it is to find anything there
-plus terrible work atmosphere, one trans employee had been called by her boss "it", others complained about the cliques and backstabbing
Anyone, anyone, who wants to come in and disrupt Steam's near monopoly is welcome.
Shame gog is ethically spotty, stores not introducing their own drm (and thus not making your expensive library a rental that can be taken away) should be the default.
Edit:
*Of course as I was writing this Steam decided to do a library page redesign. Still, it's not a rewrite of the whole launcher, and the mockups look super messy...
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Post by * on Mar 21, 2019 22:21:58 GMT
A short list of the crap Steam has done: - sidestepping EU refund laws by giving you a 14 day return window and immediately forcing you to waive it to complete the purchase; even Origin had normal refunds before Steam - hands off approach gave it a 4chan style forum, review bombs for stuff like removing a mod that makes every PoC character white or criticising pewdiepie, tagging system that was overrun by tags like "sjw crap" - selling games that don't have an exe files and thus will not even let you open them - early access being nearly as bad - the app hasn't seen a meaningful UI/UX update since 1953, not to mention all of the bloat* - store discoverability is non-existent, there are like 500 steam catalogue pages, because of how hard it is to find anything there -plus terrible work atmosphere, one trans employee had been called by her boss "it", others complained about the cliques and backstabbing Anyone, anyone, who wants to come in and disrupt Steam's near monopoly is welcome. Shame gog is ethically spotty, stores not introducing their own drm (and thus not making your expensive library a rental that can be taken away) should be the default. Edit: *Of course as I was writing this Steam decided to do a library page redesign. Still, it's not a rewrite of the whole launcher, and the mockups look super messy... Not gonna lie all this crap going on with pc games makes me want to stay away from it. I get modding is awesome but if this is what you have to deal with no thanks. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 22:22:34 GMT
Anyone, anyone, who wants to come in and disrupt Steam's near monopoly is welcome. I agree with this 100 percent. Guess Ill just wait and see for some Epic Store improvements. Not sure how accurate this is, and im not saying all of this is what Epic store SHOULD have, but maybe theyll add some features similar to these in the future.  |
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Post by Rouccoco on Mar 22, 2019 0:04:31 GMT
I agree with this 100 percent. Guess Ill just wait and see for some Epic Store improvements. Not sure how accurate this is, and im not saying all of this is what Epic store SHOULD have, but maybe theyll add some features similar to these in the future. They've already added search and matched the refund policy in a pretty short time. They'll get there. But yeah, depends on the person. I don't need most of the things from that list. But the almost 20% higher cut developers will make from each sale means indies will have a higher chance of survival, and that's pretty big. Not gonna lie all this crap going on with pc games makes me want to stay away from it. I get modding is awesome but if this is what you have to deal with no thanks. I thought about it, but consoles are too stifling for me. I want to pick my own controller, and have a quick shortcut for making 1000 screenshots, for example. Plus now that Epic is paying PS4 devs to port previous exclusives and MS is looking to play nice with Nintendo, PC is becoming the place to get the most games. |
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Post by * on Mar 22, 2019 0:13:27 GMT
I agree with this 100 percent. Guess Ill just wait and see for some Epic Store improvements. Not sure how accurate this is, and im not saying all of this is what Epic store SHOULD have, but maybe theyll add some features similar to these in the future. They've already added search and matched the refund policy in a pretty short time. They'll get there. But yeah, depends on the person. I don't need most of the things from that list. But the almost 20% higher cut developers will make from each sale means indies will have a higher chance of survival, and that's pretty big. Not gonna lie all this crap going on with pc games makes me want to stay away from it. I get modding is awesome but if this is what you have to deal with no thanks. I thought about it, but consoles are too stifling for me. I want to pick my own controller, and have a quy thing ick shortcut for making 1000 screenshots, for example. Plus now that Epic is paying PS4 devs to port previous exclusives and MS is looking to play nice with Nintendo, PC is becoming the place to get the most games. I guess my main problem is most games don't hold my interest past the first few hours so there isn't much benefit for more games. But more power to those who are sticking with it. |
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Post by Rouccoco on Mar 22, 2019 0:48:27 GMT
I guess my main problem is most games don't hold my interest past the first few hours so there isn't much benefit for more games. But more power to those who are sticking with it. I don't mean that I'm playing more games, I don't have much time for that, just that I'm less likely to not be able to play something I do like. Between some AAA, horror, and indie games, I'd need to get 2 consoles to fully leave pc gaming, which seems like a waste of money for the time I spend playing. |
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Post by * on Mar 22, 2019 1:05:08 GMT
I guess my main problem is most games don't hold my interest past the first few hours so there isn't much benefit for more games. But more power to those who are sticking with it. I don't mean that I'm playing more games, I don't have much time for that, just that I'm less likely to not be able to play something I do like. Between some AAA, horror, and indie games, I'd need to get 2 consoles to fully leave pc gaming, which seems like a waste of money for the time I spend playing. I hear ya, guess I'm just lucky the vast majority of what I like I can play on one console. |
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Post by Lee on Mar 22, 2019 2:30:36 GMT
PC gaming generally is just too expensive for me. I won't say I'll never go that way, cause I might-but for now it's not an option. I am not sure honestly that gaming will be a long term hobby the way things are going.
It seems like there are fewer games I am interested in all the time, but then again Nintendo is doing well for me at the moment. Maybe my version of gaming will just change with the times. However, I don't foresee myself ever embracing this narrative of everything needing to be online multiplayer games.
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Post by * on Mar 22, 2019 2:41:04 GMT
PC gaming generally is just too expensive for me. I won't say I'll never go that way, cause I might-but for now it's not an option. I am not sure honestly that gaming will be a long term hobby the way things are going. It seems like there are fewer games I am interested in all the time, but then again Nintendo is doing well for me at the moment. Maybe my version of gaming will just change with the times. However, I don't foresee myself ever embracing this narrative of everything needing to be online multiplayer games. I think I'm just gonna buy a switch once the new version comes out. Nintendo still seems to release non broken games. |
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Post by Rouccoco on Mar 25, 2019 19:53:25 GMT
They've already added search and matched the refund policy in a pretty short time. They'll get there. Slightly offtopic, but here's a function release plan for Epic I found today April
Search by genre and tag
Improvements to Offline Mode
Install management “under the hood” overhaul
Store video hosting
Store page redesign
Improved DLC support
May
Cloud saves
Add-on purchase checks
Improved patch sizes
Within 4 to 6 months
User reviews
Wishlists
Newsfeed and follow improvements
Price adjusting bundles
Additional payment methods
Additional currencies
Player play time tracking
Mod support for games
Epic games overlay
Library improvements
Long term (over six months)
Achievements
Shopping cart
Direct carrier billing
Social overhaul
Release date TBD
Automated refunds
Arabic store translation
Korean game releases
Gifting
Android store
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Post by Lee on Mar 26, 2019 3:22:25 GMT
I speculate that the cost of developing all those services could lead Epic to raise its fee for the devs in the future-but either way competition with steam will only benefit pc players in the long run. It's a pain for now of course. /my thoughts On topic, I really am looking forward to The Outer Worlds. I am however going to wait for a price drop most likely since there are no romances.  |
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Post by * on Mar 26, 2019 14:06:41 GMT
So bets on what quarter this game is releasing? I'm feeling fall.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 15:39:08 GMT
So bets on what quarter this game is releasing? I'm feeling fall. I saw August somewhere. Not sure if confirmed though. |
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